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| P: 11/15/2008 3:56:00 AM | |
FrekeChild Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,880 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2007 |
16mm round blue topaz Insurance: $5 3 weeks to cut Price: $3,999 Link This is what is said in the description: This beautiful, HUGE Blue Topaz is 100% flawless. *Not Man Made Material* 16mm round cut 197 hand cut, precision facets polished to perfection. The double refraction of Topaz makes this huge modified portugese cut stone simply amazing. This is one breath-taking stone. If you are going for shock and awe, this is the one for you. The depth of the blue makes this stone unique. If set in 14K gold, a ring with this stone will be valued around $6,000.00 - $8,500.00 USD. This stone took me 3 weeks to cut. Insurance mandatory at $5 for this stone. Um. I could have sworn that blue topaz usually costs less than $10 a carat, and even Barry Bridgestock's topaz is $30 a carat (ish). This one...if I guestimate that it's 25 carats....thats $160 a carat! Am I smoking CRACK, or is that thing (which really isn't that pretty IMHO) SEVERELY overpriced?! And 3 weeks to cut?! _______________________________ "Women are either goddesses or doormats." Pablo Picasso "In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 3:56:00 AM | |
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| P: 11/15/2008 6:00:14 AM | |
ma re Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,701 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 8/10/2008 |
I guess we should check how much do natural ones cost, cause I have no idea and can't remember ever seing one. So if it's indeed a natural blue topaz in that size, anything is possible. I'm not claiming anything, just that it MIGHT be quite a rare thing.
mr. ma re |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 6:00:14 AM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 6:55:03 AM | |
oldmancoyote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 754 Last Post: 6/26/2009 Member Since: 8/22/2008 |
Having taken a look at the other items on that site, I'm inclined to agree with FrekeChild - seriously overpriced. Pass the crack, please.
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| Posted: 11/15/2008 6:55:03 AM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 7:19:31 AM | |
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 11/15/2008 6:55:03 AM Author: oldmancoyote Having taken a look at the other items on that site, I'm inclined to agree with FrekeChild - seriously overpriced. Pass the crack, please. Sorry Freke * quick threadjack* OMC, I really like your avatar, where did you find it? 
 Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 7:19:31 AM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 7:47:04 AM | |
Kismet Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,444 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 5/6/2005 |
Date: 11/15/2008 6:00:14 AM Author: ma re I guess we should check how much do natural ones cost, cause I have no idea and can't remember ever seing one. So if it's indeed a natural blue topaz in that size, anything is possible. I'm not claiming anything, just that it MIGHT be quite a rare thing. Wildfish Gems has a natural, untreated blue topaz going for about $163/carat. The Etsy guy just says 'not man made' though, he doesn't say anything about it being untreated too.  Kismet's rings |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 7:47:04 AM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 9:44:43 AM | |
dancingflame Cut Rock Total Posts: 179 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/23/2008 |
OUCH! I guess I'm gonna have to pass on that one. 
~Some men have thousands of reasons why they cannot do what they want to, when all they need is one reason why they can.~ |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 9:44:43 AM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 11:42:20 AM | |
coatimundi_org Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,312 Last Post: 6/7/2009 Member Since: 12/9/2007 |
Well, he's also selling prasiolite and smoky quartz. Hmmmm. He says, "not man made." Why not add, "not heat treated." from his listing: "The double refraction of Topaz makes this huge modified portugese cut stone simply amazing."--that part made me chuckle. and *ahem* shoe color change Freke?? hmmmm? Coati, G.G. |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 11:42:20 AM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 11:46:05 AM | |
tourmaline_lover Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,516 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 9/20/2008 |
Maybe the astronauts brought it back from the moon? 
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| Posted: 11/15/2008 11:46:05 AM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 11:50:46 AM | |
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,442 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007 |
That guy is either seriously delusional or foreign and messed up the currency conversion! My other favorite is the $5 worth of insurance. Last time I was at the post office that would buy you MAYBE $200-300 worth of insurance and that is it.
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| Posted: 11/15/2008 11:50:46 AM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 1:22:07 PM | |
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oldmancoyote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 754 Last Post: 6/26/2009 Member Since: 8/22/2008 |
Date: 11/15/2008 7:19:31 AM Thanks Lorelei. It's a sketch by Jaime de Angulo, published in his book "Indian Tales". It's a lovely book of Native American legends and myths, re-told as a single story.That's where the screenname comes from as well (actually, it's Coyote Old Man in the book, but the OMC moniker was too tempting for a jewelry fanatic to let it go!).Author: Lorelei Sorry Freke * quick threadjack* OMC, I really like your avatar, where did you find it? [end threadjack]
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| Posted: 11/15/2008 1:22:07 PM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 1:45:50 PM | |
pjean Ideal Rock Total Posts: 866 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 11/27/2007 |
Now he's changed the description to include "not heat treated".
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| Posted: 11/15/2008 1:45:50 PM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 1:50:23 PM | |
PrecisionGem Cut Rock Total Posts: 476 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/28/2004 |
I'm guessing the guy is new at cutting and doesn't really know what things are worth. Blue topaz custom cut should be around $20 per ct. The color looks very different in two of the pictures too. 3 weeks to cut, must mean he spent a few minutes each night. A round is the fastest shape to cut. A large round like that should take maybe 3 to 6 hours for an experienced cutter.
Gene |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 1:50:23 PM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 2:03:56 PM | |
Pyramid Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,914 Last Post: 11/11/2009 Member Since: 11/10/2002 |
Gene If it is a natural color blue topaz would it cost more than $20 per carat, and then in that large size?
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| Posted: 11/15/2008 2:03:56 PM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 2:23:13 PM | |
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FrekeChild Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,880 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2007 |
Natural color blue topaz is normally very light blue--more like sky blue than swiss blue (which is what this stone probably is--at least that's what it looks like). This natural blue is still only $130 a carat from Wildfish-Link at almost 8 carats. This natural blue is $160 a carat from Wildfish--Link at just under 14cts. The naturals are incredibly light blue, and according to Wilfish, very very rare. So, I don't buy that a) he mined it himself (says that he mines everything himself in his shop description) b)that this is not an irradiated topaz and c) it took three weeks to cut. And since when does topaz have double refraction? Coati I have no idea what you're talking about. 
_______________________________ "Women are either goddesses or doormats." Pablo Picasso "In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 2:23:13 PM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 5:18:02 PM | |
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PrecisionGem Cut Rock Total Posts: 476 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/28/2004 |
Light, natural blue topaz in the rough sells for $1.00 per ct. Now figure you recover about 25%, that would make the finished stone material cost $4 per ct. Add in some labor. Most cutters in the US don't cut blue topaz too often since you really can't make any money at it. "The Guide" list blue topaz from 5 to 50 cts. in Extra Fine quality at $12-18 per ct wholesale. So to cut a 10 ct stone, you start with a 50 ct say, and if you bought better color like an electric swiss blue, you could pay $2.00 ct for , so that's $100 for the rough. The finished stone would sell for around $150, and you may have 4 hours into. It's just not worthwhile to cut. Of course you could always try to get $150 per ct for it!!!!
Gene |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 5:18:02 PM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 6:40:47 PM | |
loriken214 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,935 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2007 |
This vendor joined Etsy yesterday and has NO FEEDBACK yet.....let's see what happens..... Lori My Pretty Kitty Coco |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 6:40:47 PM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 7:05:08 PM | |
GemRite Rough Rock Total Posts: 67 Last Post: 4/17/2009 Member Since: 8/19/2008 |
I agree with what everyone else says. I did want to add that when i was reading the description it did not say it wasn't irradiated. Most untreated topaz I have seen that is natural blue is extremely pale. Just not sure where the value is in this gem. I faceted an untreated red zircon portuguese cut that ended up being 21.95 cts. It took me about 2-2.5 hours for the pavillion and about the same to do the crown and table. So maybe 5 hours top, but likely it was closer to 4 hours. Not sure how it took 3 weeks to facet. If it took me that long to facet a stone I would have to find a new job. :) hehe... Just my thoughts.
John B.- Faceter |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 7:05:08 PM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 8:38:40 PM | |
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,303 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004 |
Date: 11/15/2008 7:05:08 PM Author: GemRite I agree with what everyone else says. I did want to add that when i was reading the description it did not say it wasn't irradiated. Most untreated topaz I have seen that is natural blue is extremely pale. Just not sure where the value is in this gem. I faceted an untreated red zircon portuguese cut that ended up being 21.95 cts. It took me about 2-2.5 hours for the pavillion and about the same to do the crown and table. So maybe 5 hours top, but likely it was closer to 4 hours. Not sure how it took 3 weeks to facet. If it took me that long to facet a stone I would have to find a new job. :) hehe... Just my thoughts. John, your last sentence about find a new job for taking so long to complete a cutting job cracked me up. 
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| Posted: 11/15/2008 8:38:40 PM | |
| P: 11/15/2008 9:12:12 PM | |
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FrekeChild Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,880 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2007 |
Date: 11/15/2008 8:38:40 PM Author: Chrono Date: 11/15/2008 7:05:08 PM Author: GemRite I agree with what everyone else says. I did want to add that when i was reading the description it did not say it wasn't irradiated. Most untreated topaz I have seen that is natural blue is extremely pale. Just not sure where the value is in this gem. I faceted an untreated red zircon portuguese cut that ended up being 21.95 cts. It took me about 2-2.5 hours for the pavillion and about the same to do the crown and table. So maybe 5 hours top, but likely it was closer to 4 hours. Not sure how it took 3 weeks to facet. If it took me that long to facet a stone I would have to find a new job. :) hehe... Just my thoughts. John, your last sentence about find a new job for taking so long to complete a cutting job cracked me up. Lol. Me too. Maybe that's why it costs so much... _______________________________ "Women are either goddesses or doormats." Pablo Picasso "In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain |
| Posted: 11/15/2008 9:12:12 PM | |
| P: 11/16/2008 2:31:44 AM | |
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GemRite Rough Rock Total Posts: 67 Last Post: 4/17/2009 Member Since: 8/19/2008 |
Hehe, Yeah, but it's true. Some people may work slower than others. I take longer than most faceters I know, but I am really try to be as precise as possible. I will tell you this, I love what I do.  Ya'll have nice weekend and take care.
John B.- Faceter |
| Posted: 11/16/2008 2:31:44 AM | |
| P: 11/16/2008 8:48:00 AM | |
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tourmaline_lover Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,516 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 9/20/2008 |
He added a statement about if you don't like his prices, you can give him a reasonable offer. Hmmm, what's a reasonalble offer on that blue topaz, like a 1000% discount?!! |
| Posted: 11/16/2008 8:48:00 AM | |
| P: 11/16/2008 8:52:24 AM | |
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neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,442 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007 |
Date: 11/16/2008 8:48:00 AM Author: tourmaline_lover He added a statement about if you don't like his prices, you can give him a reasonable offer. Hmmm, what's a reasonalble offer on that blue topaz, like a 1000% discount?!! Wonder if he's reading this thread...seems that he's responding to some concerns posted here...
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| Posted: 11/16/2008 8:52:24 AM | |
| P: 11/16/2008 10:07:30 AM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 11/15/2008 1:22:07 PM Author: oldmancoyote Date: 11/15/2008 7:19:31 AM Thanks Lorelei. It's a sketch by Jaime de Angulo, published in his book 'Indian Tales'. It's a lovely book of Native American legends and myths, re-told as a single story.That's where the screenname comes from as well (actually, it's Coyote Old Man in the book, but the OMC moniker was too tempting for a jewelry fanatic to let it go!).Author: Lorelei Sorry Freke * quick threadjack* OMC, I really like your avatar, where did you find it? [end threadjack] Thanks for the info OMC - it is a simple picture but very effective! I will have to keep an eye out for the book. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 11/16/2008 10:07:30 AM | |
| P: 11/16/2008 2:59:05 PM | |
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FrekeChild Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,880 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2007 |
Um. He's changed it again. I'm really wondering who he had appraise it... This beautiful, HUGE Blue Topaz is 100% flawless. *Not Man Made Material* - *Not heat treated* Country of origin is unknown. 16mm round cut 197 hand cut, precision facets polished to perfection. The double refraction of Topaz makes this huge modified portugese cut stone simply amazing. This is one breath-taking stone. If you are going for shock and awe, this is the one for you. The depth of the blue makes this stone unique. If set in 14K white gold, a ring with this stone will be valued around $6,000.00 - $8,500.00 USD... and knock your socks off. I re-cut that Topaz a few times to get it just right. Check out the facets, they don't meet. That's why it looks so amazing. The facets split the light rays of a doubly refractive gem, that's like quadruply refractive when you don't meet the points, it really sets it off. My own tilt to this cut is I added an extra row of girdle facets just for fun, it pumps out sparkles on the crown big time! I had it professionally appraised for $4,200+ and was told to die before I let it go for less than $3200. This stone took me 3 weeks to cut if I just sat down for 3 weeks straight. We had our good times and we had our bad times but it came out pretty good, I'm ready to let someone else enjoy it. Insurance mandatory. And since when is facets not meeting a good thing? Gene? Can you explain that? _______________________________ "Women are either goddesses or doormats." Pablo Picasso "In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain |
| Posted: 11/16/2008 2:59:05 PM | |
| P: 11/16/2008 11:10:40 PM | |
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FrekeChild Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,880 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2007 |
OMG. Seriously. This dude is giving me a headache. This beautiful, HUGE Blue Topaz is 100% flawless. *Not Man Made Material* - *Not heat treated* Country of origin is unknown. 16mm round cut - 18.75 carats 197 hand cut, precision facets polished to perfection. The double refraction of Topaz makes this huge modified portugese cut stone simply amazing. This is one breath-taking stone. If you are going for shock and awe, this is the one for you. The depth of the blue makes this stone unique. If set in 14K white gold, a ring with this stone will be valued around $10,000.00 - $12,500.00 USD... and knock your socks off. I re-cut that Topaz a few times to get it just right. Check out the facets, they don't meet. That's why it looks so amazing. The facets split the light rays of a doubly refractive gem, that's like quadruply refractive when you don't meet the points, it really sets it off. My own tilt to this cut is I added an extra row of girdle facets just for fun, it pumps out sparkles on the crown big time! I had it professionally appraised for $4,200+ Replacement value was $8,000 due to the cut. This stone took me 3 weeks to cut if I just sat down for 3 weeks straight. We had our good times and we had our bad times but it came out uber-dazzling! I'm ready to let someone else enjoy it. Insurance mandatory. _______________________________ "Women are either goddesses or doormats." Pablo Picasso "In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain |
| Posted: 11/16/2008 11:10:40 PM | |
| P: 11/16/2008 11:17:10 PM | |
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neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,442 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007 |
Lol, this is getting funnier and funnier.
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| Posted: 11/16/2008 11:17:10 PM | |
| P: 11/16/2008 11:18:26 PM | |
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tourmaline_lover Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,516 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 9/20/2008 |
I just want to know what he's smoking since he's seriously delusional. |
| Posted: 11/16/2008 11:18:26 PM | |
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