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What color is this stone?

P: 10/29/2003 2:51:37 AM

Mara

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A little fun for the mid-week!

This is a color poll, not clarity...though this stone does have visible inclusions! I also do not know which lab graded it...only that it HAS been graded.

Give it your best guess....and if you know this ring...don't give it away. I will post the answer in a few days!

EDITED TO ADD: Scroll to bottom for the answer!

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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

-Albert Einstein

Posted: 10/29/2003 2:51:37 AM

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P: 10/29/2003 2:53:03 AM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,927 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	And here are the pictures! ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 10/29/2003 2:53:03 AM

P: 10/29/2003 2:53:28 AM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,927 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 10/29/2003 2:53:28 AM

P: 10/29/2003 2:53:48 AM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,927 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 10/29/2003 2:53:48 AM

P: 10/29/2003 2:54:12 AM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,927 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 10/29/2003 2:54:12 AM

P: 10/29/2003 3:34:31 AM
AGBF Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,048 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/26/2003	Mara, I find color a lot harder to gauge than size on a computer monitor!!! I don't even have a wild guess :-(. All I can say is that on my monitor there seem to be areas that are distinctly yellow. Deb A Girl's Best Friend
Posted: 10/29/2003 3:34:31 AM

P: 10/29/2003 8:13:32 AM
magna2 Cut Rock Total Posts: 319 Last Post: 2/9/2004 Member Since: 9/22/2003	Hard to gauge without a good side view. But my vote was a "L".
Posted: 10/29/2003 8:13:32 AM

P: 10/29/2003 10:54:34 AM
canadiangrrl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 787 Last Post: 3/19/2008 Member Since: 6/10/2003	L for lellow. Sursum Corda! Mess with Texas.
Posted: 10/29/2003 10:54:34 AM

P: 10/29/2003 11:15:12 AM
pqcollectibles Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,441 Last Post: 6/18/2005 Member Since: 2/23/2003	I went M for mellow. While I don't know this ring, I know of at least one seller on eBay that advertises lots of M color diamonds. This one definitely has distinct yellow tinges to it! Why use a big word when a diminutive word would be succinct! ____________________________________________________________ Just a regular person trying to be helpful. Consult a Pro prior to purchase!
Posted: 10/29/2003 11:15:12 AM

P: 10/29/2003 11:39:32 AM
Rank Amateur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,547 Last Post: 5/5/2009 Member Since: 2/26/2003	I'll say "N", for "No Idea". Sort of like bidding $1 on the Price is Right.
Posted: 10/29/2003 11:39:32 AM

P: 10/29/2003 11:48:19 AM
Rank Amateur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,547 Last Post: 5/5/2009 Member Since: 2/26/2003	N could also be for N-cluded.
Posted: 10/29/2003 11:48:19 AM

P: 10/29/2003 11:57:01 AM
Hest88 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,680 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 1/22/2003	I said M as well. Face-down that's quite yellow.
Posted: 10/29/2003 11:57:01 AM

P: 10/29/2003 12:23:53 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	---------------- On 10/29/2003 2:51:37 AM Mara wrote: A little fun for the mid-week! This is a color poll, not clarity...though this stone does have visible inclusions! ---------------- Hi! I am so glad you posted this! Just curious to see how over-rated getsone of those great and ovelooked shades... By the way: in that other pol about inclusions, ony one post had the right answer (I suspect cited from te source of my picture) and a few voted right... and it was a HUGE, SI2, Ec! really, I can't wait the result of this (hoping it is an O-P, as I suspect...) Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 10/29/2003 12:23:53 PM

P: 10/29/2003 12:41:18 PM
Giangi Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,530 Last Post: 10/29/2006 Member Since: 1/23/2003	I voted J. It could actually be more like a K-L, but if it hasn't been certified by a regognized lab, I guess it got a J. Clarity... A good I 1. _____________ Omnia Mea Mecum Porto. Giangi
Posted: 10/29/2003 12:41:18 PM

P: 10/29/2003 7:41:00 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,927 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	BUMP! Any more guesses or are you guys ready for the answer?! ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 10/29/2003 7:41:00 PM

P: 10/29/2003 7:45:09 PM
Richard Sherwood Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/25/2002	I'll throw in for "K". That will be $100, please. Rich, Independent GG Appraiser Sarasota Gemological Laboratory
Posted: 10/29/2003 7:45:09 PM

P: 10/29/2003 8:46:36 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,927 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	Okay since everyone was so good and we got 55 answers in a day..I'll post the answer. This stone was graded color J. By who? That is what I want to know. Almost everyone (except for 3) thought it was at least K or higher (the max of the votes was for 'M' (for Mara!)). The stone does look extremely yellow in these pictures as well as the pictures on the website I found it at. http://www.faycullen.com/engagementringscloseup2.php?id=1582 Its an old stone, so who really knows when it was graded, but man do those pictures make it look yellow! I chose this particular ring because I saw some others on Fay's site that were M's and they looked the same as this stone did in the pictures. Which makes me think the J grade is very loosey goosey and incorrect. Also, we have had a few posts recently asking 'do J's look white' and this J does not look white at all! Very much in contrast to some of the ACA and SC J's we have seen posted on the Show me the Ring...compare those J's to this one...scary. Shows you what an excellent cut can do I guess! I want to know who voted J! How did you know it was a J? *Also KUDOS to Giangi for noting that it's a J and* an I1!** I think he's the BIG WINNER! What's the prize? He gets a virtual eBay 'guaranteed to be brilliant' diamond! Thanks for playing everyone. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 10/29/2003 8:46:36 PM

P: 10/29/2003 10:37:49 PM
ccuheartnurse Ideal Rock Total Posts: 709 Last Post: 11/27/2007 Member Since: 5/22/2002	I voted M. Holy moly, thats a J! It better be because its a REALLY bad cut! I dont know anything about EC cuts so excuse my ignorance. I'm just thinking, there is no way in hell that I would agree to get that yellow a stone for my sister in law. Yikes! Do you think the colour has been misgraded? Judy :-) Again, please excuse my ignorance!
Posted: 10/29/2003 10:37:49 PM

P: 10/29/2003 10:53:43 PM
glitterata Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,365 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/17/2002	I voted before I read the whole thread, so I wouldn't influence my vote. That thing looks way, way more yellow than my K/L, so I said N. Is it enormous? My K/L is 1.65 carats. Maybe if that thing is huge it'll show much more yellow? Or maybe my monitor is badly calibrated? (In which case, so is everybody else's.) I refuse to believe that's a J. If that's a J, my K/L is an F and my F is a B.
Posted: 10/29/2003 10:53:43 PM

P: 10/30/2003 8:50:51 AM
Giangi Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,530 Last Post: 10/29/2006 Member Since: 1/23/2003	Wow that's cool! Thank you Mara! I'll take two of them, please! _____________ Omnia Mea Mecum Porto. Giangi
Posted: 10/30/2003 8:50:51 AM

P: 10/30/2003 8:58:08 AM
Richard Sherwood Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/25/2002	Oh God, now Giangi's gonna have a swelled head. It was hard enough to keep him under control before, with him being Italian and all. Rich, Independent GG Appraiser Sarasota Gemological Laboratory
Posted: 10/30/2003 8:58:08 AM

P: 10/30/2003 9:43:45 AM
ccuheartnurse Ideal Rock Total Posts: 709 Last Post: 11/27/2007 Member Since: 5/22/2002	Rich, Whats wrong with out of control Italians? I'm Italian too you know. hahahaha
Posted: 10/30/2003 9:43:45 AM

P: 10/30/2003 9:48:54 AM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	I was one of the four who voted J. It looks like a J to me. It's an old stone & the photos are deceiving. If you look at the side stones, they are of similar color.
Posted: 10/30/2003 9:48:54 AM

P: 10/30/2003 1:04:32 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,927 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	Actually F&I...the side stones are H's according to the website page (see my previous post and link). ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 10/30/2003 1:04:32 PM

P: 10/30/2003 1:14:13 PM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	---------------- On 10/30/2003 1:04:32 PM Mara wrote: Actually F&I...the side stones are H's according to the website page (see my previous post and link). ---------------- Yeah, the disparity between the sides & the center wasn't h to l/m. Much more subtle. Also, OEC's really hold color differently & are very difficult to photograph. You see much more of the crown on the side as the table is smaller. Besides, I still think the pics were wacky. The whole pic has a cast to it. I've said this before - pics can be deceiving - especially with color. I know it's really tough w/ furniture & orig color & finish. The only way to really determine is to have a "control" in the pic. Edited to add that I assumed the sides were of near colorless. Guessed right.
Posted: 10/30/2003 1:14:13 PM

P: 10/30/2003 3:24:09 PM
DKS Rough Rock Total Posts: 4 Last Post: 10/30/2003 Member Since: 9/12/2003	I also voted J. I am a color snob, and it looked J to me. I would never buy my sweetie anything but colorless, but to each his/her own.
Posted: 10/30/2003 3:24:09 PM

P: 10/30/2003 3:31:32 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,927 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	I didn't vote because I didn't want to skew the results, but when I first saw this I thought it was more like M color! I was appalled to see that it was graded a J. Esp after seeing some of the recent H&A J's that people have bought which look super white to me. Plus as I noted, some of Fay's other diamonds which WERE graded M's looked very similar to this in pictures--which led to to think this stone was possibly mis-graded or graded a very long time ago. Also as F&I somewhat alluded to, older stones may show more color depending on cut. Photos make a huge difference too but I highly doubt that Fay meant for this J to look this yellow! So maybe it really IS. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 10/30/2003 3:31:32 PM

P: 10/30/2003 5:17:53 PM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	---------------- On 10/30/2003 3:31:32 PM Mara wrote: Photos make a huge difference too but I highly doubt that Fay meant for this J to look this yellow! So maybe it really IS. ---------------- Mara, many OEC buyers like the warm colors; so, maybe she wanted it to have "that" look. OEC's are more like a mature women. The warmer colors are part of their charm.
Posted: 10/30/2003 5:17:53 PM

P: 10/30/2003 5:55:37 PM
canadiangrrl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 787 Last Post: 3/19/2008 Member Since: 6/10/2003	Ya know something? I make no secret about my preference for stones in the D-E-F range. But I kinda like that one. A warm tinge seems to add to the OEC's character and charm. Sursum Corda! Mess with Texas.
Posted: 10/30/2003 5:55:37 PM

P: 10/31/2003 8:14:20 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Maybe someone with more photographic practice than I could explain this... To me it seems that diamonds' color is the characteristic least fairly represented by pictures. All those grades are great, but how many buyers actually get to see a line-up of diamonds across color grades? At least one would expect that each shop would take care to preserve some decent resemblance between picture and diamond, but, just look below: both those are graded (fresh) F, VS1 and pictured on the same site. Not that one could not imagine why selling diamond grades has it's own advantages or why customers cannot be offered all that hands-on training. But still, will we ever be allowed to use just the eyes and common sense for choosing these expensive pieces? Uh... Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 10/31/2003 8:14:20 PM

P: 10/31/2003 11:58:41 PM
ccuheartnurse Ideal Rock Total Posts: 709 Last Post: 11/27/2007 Member Since: 5/22/2002	AnA thats really bad! What website are those emerald cuts from? There has to be a typo somewhere on that website. Judy :-)
Posted: 10/31/2003 11:58:41 PM

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