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P:  11/2/2008 4:46:57 PM  
tunis
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Here we go:

Depth: 60.5
Table: 56
Crown: 34.4
Pav: 40.7
Lgl: 77
Star: 50

Or:

Depth: 61.3
Table: 56.2
Crown: 34.7
Pav: 40.6
Lgl: 78
Star: 54

Size and price differences are negligible on these two stones.

Thanks in advance for your helpful comments...

Tunis

 


Posted:  11/2/2008 4:46:57 PM

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P: 11/2/2008 5:43:14 PM
Ellen
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I seriously doubt you'd be able to tell the difference. Just pick one, they are both fine.

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"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  11/2/2008 5:43:14 PM
P: 11/3/2008 2:56:36 AM
Lorelei
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Date: 11/2/2008 4:46:57 PM
Author:tunis
Here we go:

Depth: 60.5
Table: 56
Crown: 34.4
Pav: 40.7
Lgl: 77
Star: 50

Or:

Depth: 61.3
Table: 56.2
Crown: 34.7
Pav: 40.6
Lgl: 78
Star: 54

Size and price differences are negligible on these two stones.

Thanks in advance for your helpful comments...

Tunis

Diameter measurements please Tunis?  They both look great as Ellen says!









Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be...
- Stephanie M Thorn

Posted:  11/3/2008 2:56:36 AM
P: 11/3/2008 10:30:50 AM
tunis
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Thanks, Lorelei!

The first stone is 7.60mm.  The second stone is 7.43mm.

Tunis

Posted:  11/3/2008 10:30:50 AM
P: 11/3/2008 10:36:59 AM
Stone-cold11
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Looks about the same to me from the numbers. I would choose the slightly larger stone in this case. But really there is not much difference between the two. what clarity grade are these? maybe the inclusion's locations will be the deciding factor...

Posted:  11/3/2008 10:36:59 AM
P: 11/3/2008 10:39:46 AM
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Assuming all else is the same (color, clarity, price) I'd also choose the one that is facing up a bit bigger. But they really both should be gorgeous as others have said.

Posted:  11/3/2008 10:39:46 AM
P: 11/3/2008 10:47:26 AM
Lorelei
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Date: 11/3/2008 10:39:46 AM
Author: neatfreak
Assuming all else is the same (color, clarity, price) I'd also choose the one that is facing up a bit bigger. But they really both should be gorgeous as others have said.

Ditto









Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be...
- Stephanie M Thorn

Posted:  11/3/2008 10:47:26 AM
P: 11/3/2008 12:30:30 PM
tunis
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Thanks for the positive reinforcement everyone on these stones. I would like to add one more to the mix for your reactions:

Depth: 60.5
Table: 57.1
Crown: 34.6
Pav: 40.7
Lgl: 77
Star: 55

Diameter on this stone is 7.42mm.

Tunis

Posted:  11/3/2008 12:30:30 PM
P: 11/3/2008 12:37:01 PM
Lorelei
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Date: 11/3/2008 12:30:30 PM
Author: tunis
Thanks for the positive reinforcement everyone on these stones. I would like to add one more to the mix for your reactions:

Depth: 60.5
Table: 57.1
Crown: 34.6
Pav: 40.7
Lgl: 77
Star: 55

Diameter on this stone is 7.42mm.

Tunis

Looks good again Tunis!









Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be...
- Stephanie M Thorn

Posted:  11/3/2008 12:37:01 PM
P: 11/3/2008 12:51:52 PM
tunis
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Does anyone think the 57.1% table means less fire than tables in the 55-56% range? I realize there are other factors besides table size that enter the picture when it comes to fire but is 57.1% less than ideal? AGS doesn't seem to think so (as this is an AGS0 stone).

Tunis

Posted:  11/3/2008 12:51:52 PM
P: 11/3/2008 12:58:31 PM
Lorelei
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Date: 11/3/2008 12:51:52 PM
Author: tunis
Does anyone think the 57.1% table means less fire than tables in the 55-56% range? I realize there are other factors besides table size that enter the picture when it comes to fire but is 57.1% less than ideal? AGS doesn't seem to think so (as this is an AGS0 stone).

Tunis

Not necessarily, it is more complex than that and the angles are really the engines which drive light return/ fire etc - but there can be variables... Also 57.1 table is a great size - no worries.  If you get a top cut stone as you are considering, then you should get a nice balanced display of fire and white light.  As to the individual performance of a given diamond, this is something that would have to be assessed by an experienced vendor with the diamond in hand.  It is also thought that a steeper crown angle and a smaller table can aid fire -  there are stones out there called fiery ideal cuts ( FIC's) but there can be trade offs in as much that they can sometimes face up a little smaller for the weight.  But I think the calibre of diamonds you are considering should get you a lovely rock - and bear in mind you only see fire in certain lighting.









Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be...
- Stephanie M Thorn

Posted:  11/3/2008 12:58:31 PM
P: 11/3/2008 1:36:19 PM
tunis
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Thanks Lorelei,

You have such a pleasant way of expressing yourself and your vast knowledge of the subject.

Tunis

Posted:  11/3/2008 1:36:19 PM
P: 11/3/2008 1:54:58 PM
Lorelei
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Date: 11/3/2008 1:36:19 PM
Author: tunis
Thanks Lorelei,

You have such a pleasant way of expressing yourself and your vast knowledge of the subject.

Tunis

* blush!!!*  Thank you for your very kind words Tunis, I appreciate it very much!  It is so good to know my posts can be helpful!









Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be...
- Stephanie M Thorn

Posted:  11/3/2008 1:54:58 PM
P: 11/3/2008 2:02:08 PM
tunis
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But I do wonder about your tag line regarding finding new places to wear diamonds...

Tunis

Posted:  11/3/2008 2:02:08 PM
P: 11/3/2008 2:57:58 PM
Lorelei
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Date: 11/3/2008 2:02:08 PM
Author: tunis
But I do wonder about your tag line regarding finding new places to wear diamonds...

Tunis

LOL!!!!!









Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be...
- Stephanie M Thorn

Posted:  11/3/2008 2:57:58 PM
P: 11/3/2008 3:07:15 PM
tunis
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Hope you know my comment was meant in the spirit of good fun. Thanks for all your help...

Tunis

Posted:  11/3/2008 3:07:15 PM
P: 11/3/2008 3:12:19 PM
Lorelei
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Date: 11/3/2008 3:07:15 PM
Author: tunis
Hope you know my comment was meant in the spirit of good fun. Thanks for all your help...

Tunis

LOL - I did indeed Tunis! No worries!  And you are most welcome, it has been my pleasure to help you!









Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be...
- Stephanie M Thorn

Posted:  11/3/2008 3:12:19 PM
P: 11/3/2008 7:16:11 PM
Ellen
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Date: 11/3/2008 1:36:19 PM
Author: tunis
Thanks Lorelei,

You have such a pleasant way of expressing yourself and your vast knowledge of the subject.

Tunis
Tunis, dude, yer gonna give her a big head....



Just teasing, I rarely miss an opportunity to "jab" my friend, who is very nice and very knowledgeable indeed.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  11/3/2008 7:16:11 PM
P: 11/3/2008 9:47:29 PM
tunis
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Hi Ellen,

This is a great forum because of people like yourself who provide unbiased and very helpful feedback.  Learning is fun when you can go at your own pace.

Thanks again,

Tunis

Posted:  11/3/2008 9:47:29 PM
P: 11/4/2008 3:50:59 AM
Lorelei
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Date: 11/3/2008 9:47:29 PM
Author: tunis
Hi Ellen,

This is a great forum because of people like yourself who provide unbiased and very helpful feedback. Learning is fun when you can go at your own pace.

Thanks again,

Tunis

Oh shucks....thanks so much El * head swells*...And I have to compliment my friend in return, Ellen you do a fabulous job and help make it fun!

Tunis, that you have taken the time to give us positive feedback on the help we try to provide is extremely useful and kind of you, thank you so much!!









Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be...
- Stephanie M Thorn

Posted:  11/4/2008 3:50:59 AM
P: 11/4/2008 9:44:41 AM
Ellen
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Date: 11/3/2008 9:47:29 PM
Author: tunis
Hi Ellen,

This is a great forum because of people like yourself who provide unbiased and very helpful feedback. Learning is fun when you can go at your own pace.

Thanks again,

Tunis
Yes it is! Glad we could be of help Tuinis. And I agree with Lorelei's answer to your last question. I think you'll be quite pleased with the diamonds you're looking at!



Thanks Lore!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  11/4/2008 9:44:41 AM
P: 11/4/2008 9:58:17 AM
Lorelei
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Date: 11/4/2008 9:44:41 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 11/3/2008 9:47:29 PM
Author: tunis
Hi Ellen,

This is a great forum because of people like yourself who provide unbiased and very helpful feedback. Learning is fun when you can go at your own pace.

Thanks again,

Tunis
Yes it is! Glad we could be of help Tuinis. And I agree with Lorelei's answer to your last question. I think you'll be quite pleased with the diamonds you're looking at!



Thanks Lore!

Welcome El!









Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be...
- Stephanie M Thorn

Posted:  11/4/2008 9:58:17 AM

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