Please advise on this OEC..

Date: 11/2/2008 4:08:00 AM
Author: LittleGreyKitten
Unfortunately the pics aren't that great- way too much glare and not very sharp, it's hard to get a real grasp of it's look. From the limited info in the pics, I'm kinda meh on the overall look of it- it doesn't look terrible but the pattern does look more random-y than I like in an OEC... I like the mid-to-late ones, with the more snowflake-y look and more ordered/symmetrical facets, and this looks a bit earlier to me. The teensy weensy table, and the more chaotic looking facets, suggests that to me anyway....

Exactly what you've described is what I am after - mid to late, even transitional. I was wondering whether they were random facets or if it was just the pics.
Question - what does the small table indicate?
 
Actually, I'm wondering if what I'm not liking with the pattern is the Kozibe effect visible when you're looking straight down- a small enough table, and that'll happen. I like seeing Kozibe when the stone is tilted but not when the table's so little it doesn't need tilt to show up. I kinda think that's a personal preference thing though, too.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what does the kozibe mean, and how do you spot it?

It could be nice, though, depending on how it performs in the middle of the stone, and your taste- but, if I'm remembering right, you're looking for a more flowery/quilty looking one, right? This one just doesn't look like that to me... but of course, it could be the pics. It's tough enough to buy an old cut online even with good pics...

You're spot on about my tastes, I will keep my fingers crossed for more pics..

Oh, and although the color looks like it's off color towards yellow, if you haven't already I'd ask to make sure there's no top-brown going on... I like off colors towards pure yellow or even greyish, but top browns I am not a fan of, myself. Again personal preference, but it'd be nice to know in advance if you think it'll bother you at all.

It is allegedly a J/L - I'm with you on colour too, don't mind warmer or even slightly yellow tones, like Sonoma's new stone. They wouldn't bother me.
Again, a question - what is the definition of top-brown please?

Hey, what happened with your ebay OEC/OMC? Do you still have that? Was it just too early a style for your taste? It looked like a pretty stone if I remember right!

Yes, it was too OMC-ish for my desires, and I returned it. I just didn't fall in love with it, so the hunt continues..!
I should go to bed!

Date: 11/2/2008 5:12:43 AM
Author: strmrdr
It looks like one I would love to have with the small table and high crown. yummy!
But it isn't the style your looking for.
It also looks like there are some rather large chips in the girdle.

Date: 11/2/2008 5:12:43 AM
Author: strmrdr
It looks like one I would love to have with the small table and high crown. yummy!
But it isn't the style your looking for.
It also looks like there are some rather large chips in the girdle.

Date: 11/2/2008 5:19:07 AM
Author: Lorelei


Yes it does.....

AJ - did you keep the other stone you found a little while back?

Date: 11/2/2008 5:19:04 AM
Author: arjunajane


Thanks Strm..I know this is kinda a silly question, but are you able to give me some pointers on good things to look out for/ask to find the type I'm after?

Date: 11/2/2008 5:21:30 AM
Author: arjunajane



Really, you both saw it huh? hrmm..I will have to ask again I guess.

Lorelei, no I sent it back - it was very pretty, but just not what I'm after.

Date: 11/2/2008 5:25:43 AM
Author: strmrdr


low/mid 50s for the table,high crown, flower petal look.
or find a pic of one you like and send it around asking for one like it.

Date: 11/2/2008 5:30:51 AM
Author: Lorelei



Look at around 10 o'clock and 1 and 2 o'clock AJ and you can see what appear to be chips on the girdle.

That is a shame about the other stone, but good for you for not settling - you will find the one!

Date: 11/2/2008 9:22:09 AM
Author: sonomacounty
I love the small table. Unfortunately, it is hard to tell with the setting and glare.

Now, do you like the setting or would you change it? Remember, it costs $ to get and change the setting, so that can make it less of a bargain.

I don't think this has the flower petal look you are going for, though? You like the ones with more symmetry in the pattern, I think.

Date: 11/2/2008 9:49:03 AM
Author: coatimundi
Hi AJ--
I see the chips as well.

Have you tried http://oldworlddiamonds.com or Single Stone? I don't know what size you're looking for, but Old World has a lot of stones. I'd also give Ari at Single Stone a call. I recently worked with him (he fixed up prongs on a ring for me) and he's great--and a great source for OECs--he may be able to point you to more vendors. I'd call up vendors and give them the budget and see what they could come up with.

There's also the option of waiting until you budget opens up a bit, though I know this is hard for any PS'er! I'm learning this patience bit myself!

Good Luck you!

Date: 11/2/2008 10:56:46 AM
Author: HeartingDiamonds
Jumping into the fray here, AJ!

I agree with LGK's (visual) assessment of the stone above - the faceting is fairly random and much less symmetrical than you are looking for...DEFINITELY no flowery pattern that I could discern from the 2 photos.

The kozibe effect is when you see the culet being reflected around it - making it look like there are multiple culets or random 'holes' around the stone. We see this in about 40% of the diamonds that we come across with, mostly with cushions, OMCs, and earlier OECs.

I find that the flowery look you are going for could be found in diamonds with slightly larger tables, typically around the 50-ish%, like an the photo I am attaching below, with a 55% table.

Hard to comment on the color unless we see the stone in person, although I am inclined to think that the stone is much warmer than a J (the stone above is a certed J, and you do not see the same tint that you see in the stone above). Top brown stones are warmer stones that have a brownish hue to them rather than a yellow tint.

The hunt continues!!

Date: 11/2/2008 11:32:09 AM
Author: sonomacounty


Really? I LOVE the kozibe effect. That would be a big plus in my deciding to buy something. Few things say vintage stone like kozibe effect.

Date: 11/2/2008 8:15:28 PM
Author: arjunajane
What about this one LGK and Grace - is a lil bit more than was hoping to spend, but it looks like a winner yes?

(don't worry about the photo, I have already asked the seller, it is due to the light source they are using)..

Date: 11/2/2008 10:56:30 PM
Author: HeartingDiamonds
Veddy, veddy pretty!! And seems to be what you are looking for too.

Waiting with bated breath...