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Having fun with the new AGS system & nomenclature... |
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| P: 10/20/2008 11:17:22 AM | |
Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,327 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004 |
So...we're pointing to this thread here....(to help the fellows there do more serious work)... Some ideas... I don't like Dave's recent idea of ranges. Consider sort of a carat, color ranging F - G, represented here with IGA. Not what AGS wants, right? But...risingsun may be on to something. I'll make a proposal. Try this as a set of grades...: Kicken Dandy All right! Good effort Ummmm...... (it's a start)... Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. ____________ If you're looking for diamond shopping tips...this (along with this update) might do the trick! however...caution: known to have been regarded as armed and dangerous… |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 11:17:22 AM | |
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| P: 10/20/2008 11:29:15 AM | |
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
hey a diamond isn't kicken till I say its kicken :} ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 11:29:15 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 11:31:28 AM | |
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 10/20/2008 11:17:22 AM Author:Regular Guy So...we're pointing to this thread here....(to help the fellows there do more serious work)... Some ideas... I don't like Dave's recent idea of ranges. Consider sort of a carat, color ranging F - G, represented here with IGA. Not what AGS wants, right? But...risingsun may be on to something. I'll make a proposal. Try this as a set of grades...: Kicken Dandy All right! Good effort Ummmm...... (it's a start)... You forgot to add yummo Ira....  Equal to kicken from the ladies
 Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 11:31:28 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 11:47:32 AM | |
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Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,327 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004 |
Two items: A) The names for the system Date: 10/20/2008 11:31:28 AM Author: Lorelei You forgot to add yummo Ira.... Equal to kicken from the ladiesAll right...this is a good idea...and a problem. We can't have two names for a category (yummo = kicken)...since that's the same (or worse) as Ideal and ideal. I'll make an executive decision and put women first. Now...remember...this is AGS...so we can stretch to 10 categories...that's fine: Yummo Kicken (with protest) Dandy All right! Good effort Ummmm...... B) the Fundamentals of the system(s) itself In all seriousness...I think both Marty and Serg have parts of the correct answer. The different system for grading allows for identical grid points to have different bases for evaluation. But...this is hard for people to understand. So...we need to re-classify the new AGS system to suggest these diamonds are different...taking away the problem. We'll call these diamonds: Ruffles Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 11:47:32 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 1:47:56 PM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 10/20/2008 11:47:32 AM Author: Regular Guy Two items: A) The names for the system Date: 10/20/2008 11:31:28 AM Author: Lorelei You forgot to add yummo Ira.... Equal to kicken from the ladiesAll right...this is a good idea...and a problem. We can't have two names for a category (yummo = kicken)...since that's the same (or worse) as Ideal and ideal. I'll make an executive decision and put women first. Now...remember...this is AGS...so we can stretch to 10 categories...that's fine: Yummo Kicken (with protest) Dandy All right! Good effort Ummmm...... B) the Fundamentals of the system(s) itself In all seriousness...I think both Marty and Serg have parts of the correct answer. The different system for grading allows for identical grid points to have different bases for evaluation. But...this is hard for people to understand. So...we need to re-classify the new AGS system to suggest these diamonds are different...taking away the problem. We'll call these diamonds: Ruffles  
Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 1:47:56 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 3:48:43 PM | |
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,584 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
You are very naughty Ira smack smack! That is very very clever. I am not sure how relevant - my mind must be twisted differently? Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 3:48:43 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 8:18:23 PM | |
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Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,327 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004 |
Date: 10/20/2008 3:48:43 PM Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) That is very very clever. I am not sure how relevant - my mind must be twisted differently? Sorry to be twisted. You see, Marty at least twice brought into evidence... "So it makes perfect sense that one system may have tighter borders, especially when it is operating on or near ridge lines. Your example, while interesting, DOES NOT make the proper assumptions that have to be made for the two classes of grading systems. One system HAS TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS the other doesn't, and therefore probably SHOULDN'T give the higher grade." and also... "Although I would personally REVERSE the wording, from a consumer protection standoint. i.e. use the LOWER grade terminology first.. like "Very Good to Excellent", if, in fact you can "really" quantify a 2D parameterized system that finely, especially around the ridge/grade boundarycontours, regions of sharpest falloff...." What got complicated is my access to google during the day. We all know...Ruffles have ridges...thus the assignment of ruffles to the new class. What I didn't have, though, was speaker access at my office to the day. So you would either have Wiki's result...or what I shared earlier, via You Tube (and which rated better). More indication here that it is Ruffles that have Ridges, with a Halloween/Godzilla/kid run wild sort of angle... Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 8:18:23 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 11:20:31 PM | |
risingsun Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,423 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 12/19/2006 |
Date: 10/20/2008 11:17:22 AM I am but a lowly consumer who thinks that the word "ideal" is being bandied about in a cavalier mannerAuthor:Regular Guy So...we're pointing to this thread here....(to help the fellows there do more serious work)... Some ideas... I don't like Dave's recent idea of ranges. Consider sort of a carat, color ranging F - G, represented here with IGA. Not what AGS wants, right? But...risingsun may be on to something. I'll make a proposal. Try this as a set of grades...: Kicken Dandy All right! Good effort Ummmm...... (it's a start)...  I propose the following:Super Duper Kicken  Super Kicken Kicken Barely Kicken  Stopped Kicken  ~Marian |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 11:20:31 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 11:38:49 PM | |
Allison D. Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,726 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 2/1/2008 |
Date: 10/20/2008 11:20:31 PM Author: risingsun Date: 10/20/2008 11:17:22 AM I am but a lowly consumer who thinks that the word 'ideal' is being bandied about in a cavalier mannerAuthor:Regular Guy So...we're pointing to this thread here....(to help the fellows there do more serious work)... Some ideas... I don't like Dave's recent idea of ranges. Consider sort of a carat, color ranging F - G, represented here with IGA. Not what AGS wants, right? But...risingsun may be on to something. I'll make a proposal. Try this as a set of grades...: Kicken Dandy All right! Good effort Ummmm...... (it's a start)... I propose the following:Super Duper Kicken Super Kicken Kicken Barely Kicken Stopped Kicken Kicked the bucket? 
Allison Dewey...."Alj" |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 11:38:49 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 11:59:59 PM | |
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risingsun Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,423 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 12/19/2006 |
^^^
~Marian |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 11:59:59 PM | |
| P: 10/21/2008 12:57:33 AM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
hmmm I better hurry up and trade mark the term kicken(TM)!
........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/21/2008 12:57:33 AM | |
| P: 10/21/2008 3:26:14 AM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
ROFL ' barely kicken' hahaha!!!!
Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 10/21/2008 3:26:14 AM | |
| P: 10/21/2008 6:22:00 AM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
how bout... very nice nice kinda nice kinda fugly fugly very fugly ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/21/2008 6:22:00 AM | |
| P: 10/21/2008 10:38:43 AM | |
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risingsun Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,423 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 12/19/2006 |
Date: 10/21/2008 12:57:33 AM I think it's too late to trade mark the term. It's already out thereAuthor: strmrdr hmmm I better hurry up and trade mark the term kicken(TM)! 
~Marian |
| Posted: 10/21/2008 10:38:43 AM | |
| P: 10/21/2008 9:23:06 PM | |
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Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,327 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004 |
Date: 10/21/2008 10:38:43 AM Author: risingsun Date: 10/21/2008 12:57:33 AM I think it's too late to trade mark the term. It's already out thereAuthor: strmrdr hmmm I better hurry up and trade mark the Talk about Trademarks. How about..........DiGiorno. Let's see how making pizza can clarify. We're eating late tonight (as usual). I'm reading directions on the back of the box. I think of this thread. Why? Consider Marty's recent point & concern: The concept that needs to be understood is that you have different levels of trust and higher error rates in the verbally stated results with the differing methodologies, and is no different or quite similar to the AGS/GIA issue, but difficult to explain as well as assigning a specific level of trust or certainty. (Size only approximate) So I am reading the back of the box, and I am given a clear choice (think...gold & platinum). I can have have a crispier crust. I can have a softer crust. Now...just how many minutes do you think are required for each. Yes...in one case, I put the pizza right on the rack (why I don't do this), and the other, I use a cookie sheet. How long? Crispy: 24 - 27 minutes Softer: 26 - 29 minutes So, when I have cooked this pizza for 26.5 minutes...do you suppose this is a soft or crispy pizza? I hope that the many jewelers out there will take this example to heart when they wish to explain to their customers the true meaning and difference between the gold & platinum standards. Thank you very much. Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. |
| Posted: 10/21/2008 9:23:06 PM | |
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