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| P: 10/20/2008 2:27:30 AM | |
PilsnPinkysMom Ideal Rock Total Posts: 975 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/12/2008 |
A couple of ?s for anyone who knows, and then I'm off to bed (yay!!) I've been thinking about the stats of my future e-ring a bit, and know, hands-down, that inclusions are *my* top concern. I know FF got a 1.01ct. I reaaaaallllly want a vs1 or better. I'm not 100% what he spent-- only the possible 'range.' If I look at the low end of that range, it seems likely that for a 1.01ct, vs1, the color will be 'I.' I'm not too well-versed on color. D-F is colorless, and G-H is near colorless? I feel like I NEVER see a PS go beyond H, unless they're searching for a fancy-colored diamond. Am I being crazy? Will an I stone have a yellow tint? Do salespeople tend to put a lot of emphasis on keeping it between the D-H range? Or do you think they'd put more emphasis on inclusions? I'd rather go smaller (& I'm big-fingered...7/7.5) and have an incredibly eye-clean stone that's colorless/near colorless. Can't have it all, I guess. Anyone here have an 'I'?? Or Know someone who does? Thoughts? Is it still pretty? (Well, duh, ALL diamonds are pretty  )Ooooh- and 2nd question: How do jewelers charge for custom settings? Do you meet, discuss it, and pay at pick-up? Or do you discuss it, they give you a price, you pay, and then you pick up later? Sorry if this is silly  I've got a sneaking suspicion that post-proposal we'll be custom-ing (new verb!) a setting. I don't like the idea of paying upfront for something that's only been 'discussed' and that I haven't seen in its finished form. I suppose, though, that it'd be risky for a jeweler to not collect up-front. Anyone have insight on this?Love you LIWs... happy Monday, all! |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 2:27:30 AM | |
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| P: 10/20/2008 2:30:55 AM | |
FrekeChild Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,928 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2007 |
That is a lot of questions. Where did/is he going to buy from? I remember a 'M' color diamond being bought for a PSer's daughter and that thing looked just like a colorless-near colorless stone. I would look more into 'Cut'. If something had an ideal cut, you're not going to notice color as much and inclusions are going to be better hidden. Why is clarity your biggest concern? Do you mind answering? (I'm going to go do a search for that 'M' so you can see what I mean...) _______________________________ "Women are either goddesses or doormats." Pablo Picasso "In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 2:30:55 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 2:40:48 AM | |
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PilsnPinkysMom Ideal Rock Total Posts: 975 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/12/2008 |
FrekeChild: I suppose I shouldn't have said I only had ONE question :) Well, clarity isn't my ONLY concern. Cut and symmetry are right up there, and are similarly important. I just hate the though of seeing an ugly, dark mark glaring up at me from an otherwise pretty stone. My guess as to 'I' color was based on all other factors being 'very good' or 'ideal'... Table size, depth, girdle, symmetry, etc. The stone was purchased from Hyde Park jewelers... I know what mine/mining company it came from as well, but can't recall off the top of my head. They're pretty reputable, so I don't think they'd pull the wool over his eyes like some maul stores may. My hope is they truly tried to give him the best of what they could with the money he was willing to spend. Thanks, thanks, thanks for your 'M' search and comments on cut! I think I figured that an inclusion was an inclusion, and it'd be noticeable regardless of cut. I'm learning as I go  I'm excited to see the stone you referenced!!!
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 2:40:48 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 2:51:09 AM | |
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FrekeChild Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,928 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2007 |
Have you poked around Rocky Talky at all? And what exactly is the status on your ring? He already has a diamond, but has it been set? From what I know (which has been picked up from various forays into RT and SMTR, because I'm a colored stone girl) Cut is the most important C. And the others fall in line somewhere behind that according to the individual buyer. Another thing I have learned is that not all inclusions look like specs of pepper. Some resemble tiny feathers, some are tiny white specs, and some aren't visible with the naked eye. Most PSers would say: Go with an ideal cut, H color, and an eye clean SI1 or and SI2 to get the best bang for your buck. Has your FF been on PS at all? And if you know the stats on the diamond, you can post a thread in RT asking the experts to appraise it for you, and tell you if your FF got a good deal or if you could do better elsewhere. BTW my mom's diamond is a SI1 and you would never be able to tell without a loupe. I'm still searching for that M. You would never guess that it was an M by seeing it. _______________________________ "Women are either goddesses or doormats." Pablo Picasso "In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 2:51:09 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 2:55:19 AM | |
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PilsnPinkysMom Ideal Rock Total Posts: 975 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/12/2008 |
Freke: Thanks for your insight. FF isn't a PSer, though he's seen the site. The diamond has been purchased and *maybe* a setting... But I'm pretty sure it's just the diamond. I don't have all the other stats on it, but once I get them, I'll definitely get an appraisal :) And general EDIT (since i can't seem to edit my original post): I spent some time on WFlash's website and it answered my questions pretty well ...I probably should have done that before posting!! So I guess this post is MOOT unless anyone wishes to put pictures of I-M diamonds that they own, which I'd love-love to see 
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 2:55:19 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 3:11:49 AM | |
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FrekeChild Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,928 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2007 |
Here it is: M, I1, .53cts for Swingirl's daughter in a WF bezel pendant. Link The WF pic is on the first page, and a far away neckshot is at the very bottom of the first page, but the close up neck shots are on the second page, about 3/4 of the way down. You should also read about her thoughts on it. I've had a diamond with a big black inclusion. Everyday it bothered me. It was in a $100 promise ring that an ex gave me. But I have yet to see any big black inclusions in any PSer's diamonds or in real life (besides stuff seen at Kay's, Zales, etc). ETA: I believe you have less than 20 minutes to edit a post. I've always felt like it was shorter than that... ETAA: I went back and poured over those pics, and even though it's a low color grade and a low clarity grade, I can't see a speck in there, and the only shot that really shows the color is that super huge one that it totally blown up... _______________________________ "Women are either goddesses or doormats." Pablo Picasso "In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 3:11:49 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 3:17:53 AM | |
EricaR Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,110 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/4/2007 |
There are TONS of rings around here that have a "lower" color than H. Really, an idea cut stone is going to face up much whiter than a stone with a lesser cut. I dug up my e-ring thread for you. My stone is an I VS2. I got mine from Whiteflash and basically told them that I wanted something that faced up white and that was eye clean as far an inclusions went. I ended up with a totally faboo stone which is the perfect size for me. As I mentioned, mine is an I and the only time I even see the slightest bit of warmth/color is outdoors in very direct sunlight. The rest of the time it is icy white. Erica's E-Ring Thread
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 3:17:53 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 4:11:42 AM | |
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 10/20/2008 2:27:30 AM  Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 4:11:42 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 6:16:37 AM | |
emeraldlover1 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,480 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2006 |
My stone is a J and I love it. As it has been mentioned many of us on PS have I-J stones that are near colorless. You can hardly see the warmth in the stone even when its on its side. Good luck.
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 6:16:37 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 11:02:07 AM | |
absolut_blonde Ideal Rock Total Posts: 804 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/6/2008 |
Everyone's priorities vary according to personal tastes. For me, it's something like cut > clarity > colour in that order. Cut is my trump card-- I want a H&A RB for sure. Clarity, while important, gives you a bit more wiggle room. And colour is highly individual - I'm not extremely colour sensitive and frankly, have no desire for a D coloured diamond. I actually kind of like some SLIGHT warmth associated with the H-I range. I'm not sure I'd go down to J but I have no qualms about I coloured diamonds. Sometimes I feel that people give too much weight to colour and clarity. Not that I'm an expert by any means, but I often see people on other boards brag about their "near flawless" D-coloured diamond and all I can think is that you could get far more bang for your buck and nobody else would be any wiser for it! I'd rather have an ideal-cut SI1 I-coloured diamond than, say, a good-cut VVS1 D-coloured diamond.
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 11:02:07 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 11:06:37 AM | |
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PilsnPinkysMom Ideal Rock Total Posts: 975 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/12/2008 |
Freke: Oh.My.Gosh. That pendant is BEAUTIFUL!!!! Thanks so much for finding that thread and sharing it... In fact, I like the slight warmth of the .5ct as opposed to the .4ct comparison in the one picture. The difference is really negligible. I think the stone is gorgeous. (And $600?!?!?!) And it looks HUGE. Her daughter is an awfully lucky lady. Erica: Your ring is beautiful, too!! WF really does a great job!! Whiteflash has an "inclusion disclaimer" of sorts on their website... saying, essentially, "Eye Clean" is in the eye of the beholder, and that they use about an 8in away from the eye standard. I think this is pretty reasonable. I may call the jeweler where my stone is from and ask for their eye clean "standard." Or I could just sit tight and be patient and wait to see it in person... But my self control is starting to dissipate  Thanks, all, for your help!
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 11:06:37 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 5:35:17 PM | |
sugarjo Cut Rock Total Posts: 208 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/19/2008 |
Hey neighbor, It is my understanding (???) that if a diamond is excellent cut (often the most ignored "C") that the color will appear clearer/better. I sent my BF off knowing that I would prefer an empathizes on quality of the cut to a higher color rating. Same for clarity. D/VS2 diamonds can exist that look like crap b/c the proportions of the table to the depth are all off. As to your last inquiry, can't help. Hopefully he will not hold your ring much longer and all of your questions will be answered soon!!!! “Friends are like cupcakes in my pantry of memories.” |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 5:35:17 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 5:37:45 PM | |
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sugarjo Cut Rock Total Posts: 208 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/19/2008 |
PS. Creating new verbs is the fun-est. My new favorite, when ever I'm spending time volunteering on the Udall campaign, I'm Democrating.
“Friends are like cupcakes in my pantry of memories.” |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 5:37:45 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 6:05:40 PM | |
sunnyd Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,579 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 11/5/2007 |
Date: 10/20/2008 5:35:17 PM Author: sugarjo Hey neighbor, It is my understanding (???) that if a diamond is excellent cut (often the most ignored 'C') that the color will appear clearer/better. I sent my BF off knowing that I would prefer an empathizes on quality of the cut to a higher color rating. Same for clarity. D/VS2 diamonds can exist that look like crap b/c the proportions of the table to the depth are all off. As to your last inquiry, can't help. Hopefully he will not hold your ring much longer and all of your questions will be answered soon!!!! This is true for color. I think an ideal cut diamond will face up (top view) 2-3 color grades better than a good cut of the same color. I would try to convince your FF to plug his diamond stats into the Holloway Cut Advisor. There's a thread out there called 'Show me your J colored diamonds' or something. Low colored goodness! About customing a ring, I've just asked a couple of jewelers for a quote. I showed them pics, told them some details, and they got back to me. Very easy to do. Paying depends on the place. Most places will probably require a deposit once the design has been approved and production has begun, then pay in full when you pick up. ETA: I shouldn't say low, because that's not really low. But you know what I mean...
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 6:05:40 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 7:58:13 PM | |
diamondrnglover Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,204 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 12/12/2006 |
My princess is an I and it doesnt show any tint at all
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 7:58:13 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 8:39:24 PM | |
Italiahaircolor Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,342 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 12/17/2007 |
It's usually half down at the time you commission the piece...and the rest upon pick up
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 8:39:24 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 9:02:39 PM | |
LostSapphire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,060 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 11/4/2007 |
Date: 10/20/2008 8:39:24 PM Author: Italiahaircolor It's usually half down at the time you commission the piece...and the rest upon pick up Whiteflash is 100% down at the time the CADs/design is finalized. They proceed upon receipt of your payment. LS
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 9:02:39 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 9:11:22 PM | |
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sugarjo Cut Rock Total Posts: 208 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/19/2008 |
Thanks SunnyD, will do!!!!
“Friends are like cupcakes in my pantry of memories.” |
| Posted: 10/20/2008 9:11:22 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 9:48:45 PM | |
ilovethiswebsite Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,531 Last Post: 11/15/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2008 |
Initially I did not want anything lower than an I since that was the lowest color Tiffany sells... After comparing a bunch of diamonds my FI and I found a great deal on a 1.56 carat J color IDEAL cut stone... You can see a hint of yellow from the side in sunlight, but that's it. The fact that the cut is so high (hearts and arrows ideal), it hides the color. I would definetly stress cut over color. You can also find some SI1 and SI2 eye clean stones out there... I think the point is if you have a good cut, a decent clarity (eye clean), then color isn't such a big deal, especially if you have a low setting. You can only really tell when you compare a lower color stone (H-J) to a D-G color stone... Otherwise, no one will really notice it's warmth.
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 9:48:45 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2008 11:38:30 PM | |
Namaste Ideal Rock Total Posts: 853 Last Post: 11/2/2009 Member Since: 8/1/2008 |
Here's a link to a STUNNING "K" stone that coatimundi posted today!! If this stone doesn't calm your fears over I-J-K stones then i dunno what will!! it's gorgeous!! http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=97999 I agree with what everyone else said - I would definitely not worry about an "I" color if the stone is cut to ideal proportions. Also, I could be wrong but I'm almost sure that most of the time SI1s are pretty safe as far as being eye clean as well.
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| Posted: 10/20/2008 11:38:30 PM | |
| P: 10/21/2008 1:38:30 PM | |
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ilovethiswebsite Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,531 Last Post: 11/15/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2008 |
Here are pics of my J. I will try and take some better pictures eventually. http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=87133&pageNo=3 http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=96259
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| Posted: 10/21/2008 1:38:30 PM | |
| P: 10/21/2008 2:34:15 PM | |
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Diva0413 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 747 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 8/19/2008 |
And let's not forget about MMT's birthday upgrade... A gorgeous K/VS1!!! My upgrade/ 40th birthday present
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| Posted: 10/21/2008 2:34:15 PM | |
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