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P: 10/8/2008 12:25:55 AM
PD2BEngaged Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 10/15/2008 Member Since: 10/8/2008	Hi All - great site. I have been checking for a few days and very impressed by the posts and knowledge. I am hopeful a few folks can chime in on the following with thoughts: Measurements - 7.57 x 7.60 x 4.77 mm Carat - 1.72 Color - G Clarity - SI1 Cut Grade - Very Good Proportion - 62.9 Table - 59 Crown Angle - 36.5 Crown Height - 15 Pavillion Angle - 41.2 Pavillion Depth - 43.5 Star Length - 50 Lower Half - 80 Girdle - Medium to Slightly Thick Faceted Cutlet - None Polish - Very Good Symmetry - Excellent Flourescense - None Price - $15,800 at B&M Retailer
Posted: 10/8/2008 12:25:55 AM

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P: 10/8/2008 12:28:58 AM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,467 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	I'd say no...the HCA won't even calculate a score for it. It's pretty deep too. And who is the cert from?
Posted: 10/8/2008 12:28:58 AM

P: 10/8/2008 12:37:19 AM
PD2BEngaged Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 10/15/2008 Member Since: 10/8/2008	Its a GIA cert. I looked at it next to a similar sized F, VS2 and also next to a Hearts of Fire that was twice the price, and was not seeing much of a difference. What else can I look for when comparing them face up to try and tell differences?
Posted: 10/8/2008 12:37:19 AM

P: 10/8/2008 12:59:27 AM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,467 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Date: 10/8/2008 12:37:19 AM Author: PD2BEngaged Its a GIA cert. I looked at it next to a similar sized F, VS2 and also next to a Hearts of Fire that was twice the price, and was not seeing much of a difference. What else can I look for when comparing them face up to try and tell differences? Did you look at them under different lighting conditions? Especially in low light and outside, jewelers lights can be very very deceiving and make even a poorly cut diamond look nice.
Posted: 10/8/2008 12:59:27 AM

P: 10/8/2008 1:28:08 AM
Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,224 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004	i would pass on this one. it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone.
Posted: 10/8/2008 1:28:08 AM

P: 10/8/2008 5:38:52 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Ditto. try to compare it in diffuse lighting, aka. no under direct strong lights, I would say then you will see alot of difference. There is a NiceIce stone 1.706c H SI1 for $13335 with VSB if you can appreciate VSB. Crafted by Infinity stone. :D Personally I would go for this because I like VSB. http://www.niceice.com/certcopies2008/ags0009015501/index.htm Else similar ideal cuts will be in the I region. GOG stone 1.70c I SI1 for $13995. http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3659/ WF ACA stone 1.703 I VS2 for $14361. http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1466936.htm
Posted: 10/8/2008 5:38:52 AM

P: 10/8/2008 6:19:30 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,241 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 10/8/2008 12:25:55 AM Author:PD2BEngaged Hi All - great site. I have been checking for a few days and very impressed by the posts and knowledge. I am hopeful a few folks can chime in on the following with thoughts: Measurements - 7.57 x 7.60 x 4.77 mm Carat - 1.72 Color - G Clarity - SI1 Cut Grade - Very Good Proportion - 62.9 Table - 59 Crown Angle - 36.5 Crown Height - 15 Pavillion Angle - 41.2 Pavillion Depth - 43.5 Star Length - 50 Lower Half - 80 Girdle - Medium to Slightly Thick Faceted Cutlet - None Polish - Very Good Symmetry - Excellent Flourescense - None Price - $15,800 at B&M Retailer I would DEFINITELY pass on this diamond, it may look ok in some lights, but in others it won't, you want a better cut stone which will shine and sparkle, this stone will leak light and look dark in some lighting. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 10/8/2008 6:19:30 AM

P: 10/8/2008 7:09:56 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 10/8/2008 12:37:19 AM Author: PD2BEngaged Its a GIA cert. I looked at it next to a similar sized F, VS2 and also next to a Hearts of Fire that was twice the price, and was not seeing much of a difference. What else can I look for when comparing them face up to try and tell differences? Hi PD, This stone is what we call a classic steep/deep (crown and pavilion angles). The short version of that means light leakage, and at this degree there is sure to be some, possibly a good amount. You can search on here for more indepth info if you'd like. It's just not close to a well cut stone, and cut is everything in a diamond if you want it to perform well. I too say pass, I know you can do better. Here's a short guideline to stick by: table 54-58 depth 60-62.2 girdle thin, med., slightly thick, or a combination thereof cut excellent polish and symmetry very good or better crown angle 34-35 pavilion angle 40.6-41 AGS0 stones will take a lot of the guesswork out, though they may cost a bit more. As for GIA stones, they are trickier because GIA rounds their numbers, and allow a much broader range for Ex cut. So here's a cheat sheet to use with them. With that said, here's a "Cliff's Notes" for staying near Tolkowsky/ideal angles with GIA reports (their numbers are rounded): A crown angle of 34.0, 34.5 or 35.0 is usually safe with a 40.8 pavilion angle. If pavilion angle = 40.6 lean toward a 34.5-35.0 crown. If pavilion angle = 41 lean toward a 34.0-34.5 crown. Hope this helps! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 10/8/2008 7:09:56 AM

P: 10/8/2008 11:22:21 AM
Allison D. Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,723 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/1/2008	I'm afraid I have to concur as well; this stone doesn't hold much hope for great performance. I think you can do much better with your budget. I sense that you are trying to go as 'big' as possible, but 'big' doesn't mean carat. Carat is a weight, not a dimension. The measurements of this stone (7.57mm) reveal that it's actually no bigger in diameter than a well-cut stone weight 1.55-1.60 carats. In this stone, you're paying for weight, not size. Beyond that, because it's a steep/deep, it will leak light and therefore LOOK smaller, too. For that same budget or less, you can buy a superior cut stone around 1.55-1.6 in the G/H, SI1 range that would far out-sparkle the stone you've listed. Allison Dewey...."Alj" Consumer Relations, Whiteflash **the artist formerly known as aljdewey**
Posted: 10/8/2008 11:22:21 AM

P: 10/8/2008 11:40:02 AM
John Pollard Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,533 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 5/1/2008	Ditto the posts above. Neatfreak, maybe those numbers startled the HCA at first... here you go. John __________________________ John Pollard Infinity Diamonds www.CraftedByInfinity.com
Posted: 10/8/2008 11:40:02 AM

P: 10/8/2008 5:41:56 PM
PD2BEngaged Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 10/15/2008 Member Since: 10/8/2008	Thanks everyone for the help. I'll definitely take a look at the stone outside to see what might drop off. As mentioned in another post, when comparing to a $30K HOF I didn't see a difference, so it could be lighting, as well as my untrained eye.
Posted: 10/8/2008 5:41:56 PM

P: 10/8/2008 5:58:00 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,467 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Date: 10/8/2008 11:40:02 AM Author: John Pollard Ditto the posts above. Neatfreak, maybe those numbers startled the HCA at first... here you go. Lol. Thanks John, guess it didn't like it when I put it in! Point is still the same. Pass!
Posted: 10/8/2008 5:58:00 PM

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