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| P: 9/8/2008 3:13:01 PM | |
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omieluv Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,024 Last Post: 10/23/2009 Member Since: 2/28/2007 |
Hello. I have a friend from NY, who has 3 years of teaching experience. He is thinking of moving to Chicago and wants to teach in the next school year. He teaches history and is certified by the state of NY. He is open to teaching in the city, but would prefer the burbs. Can anyone let me know how competitive it is to land a job in the burbs or even the city, or what he should do to increase his chances? Are there any websites he should check out? Unfortunately, he does not have any connections, so I am sure that is going to hurt him. Thanks! |
| Posted: 9/8/2008 3:13:01 PM | |
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| P: 9/8/2008 4:01:51 PM | |
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Haven Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,035 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/16/2007 |
I teach high school students in a Chicago burb. The good news: There are a lot of burbs, and you can apply to most schools online. The bad news: It is extremely competitive in my area (north and northwest suburbs) and unfortunately, history jobs are the most difficult to come by at the moment. (For example, we will get anywhere from 250 to 800 applicants for every one job we post. It sounds crazy, but it's true.) If your friend googles regional offices of education in Illinois he'll find the various ROEs for Illinois counties. He can search each ROE website for open positions in the county. If I were him, I would spend some time revising my resume and researching the school districts in the area he'd most like to teach. There won't be many job openings at the moment because it's so early in the school year, but getting his resume out there isn't a bad idea. The good thing about the online application process is that it transfers your data each time you apply to a different district so he won't have to retype his information each time. Now, does he know where he'd like to teach, as in which suburban area? The northern burbs, western, etc? Does he have any special qualifications? Is he endorsed to teach reading, bilingual, etc? If so, he can target schools that need his particular qualifications. Good luck to him! If he finds himself in Chicago and wants to observe some high schools I'd be happy to set him up for observations. Just start a thread and we'll figure it out. ********************************************************** |
| Posted: 9/8/2008 4:01:51 PM | |
| P: 9/8/2008 4:25:49 PM | |
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omieluv Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,024 Last Post: 10/23/2009 Member Since: 2/28/2007 |
Thanks Haven, I will be sure to forward your advice along to him. To my knowledge, he has never been to Chicago and really does not know much about the area. I think he is looking for a change and would like more opportunity for his wife (she is in the not for profit sector). He says he would be open to working for CPS, but I would like to see him in a burb. I kinda figured finding a history job would be tough, so I am wondering if working for the CPS would help or hurt him. He is not looking to get in for this school year, but next, so he has time to research. Maybe he should take you up on your offer and visit some schools...I will see what he says.
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| Posted: 9/8/2008 4:25:49 PM | |
| P: 9/8/2008 4:29:22 PM | |
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Sabine Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,882 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2007 |
I'm not in Chicago, but I was just wondering if, since he's looking for next year, he has some time free this year? If so, I would suggest substituting in a few districts, so that he could get a feel for them and get his name out there. When I got my job (in PA), they didn't even interview other applicants because they already knew me from me subbing.
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| Posted: 9/8/2008 4:29:22 PM | |
| P: 9/8/2008 4:46:59 PM | |
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omieluv Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,024 Last Post: 10/23/2009 Member Since: 2/28/2007 |
Sabine, that is not a bad idea. He is not teaching now, but is working outside of education for the same firm I work for (we work on the same team, though we are states apart). I will be sure to pass along your tip though, because it is a good idea. Thanks!
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| Posted: 9/8/2008 4:46:59 PM | |
| P: 9/8/2008 8:25:58 PM | |
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swimmer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,936 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 11/9/2007 |
Or he could volunteer coach or something? Subbing sort of depends, it could help and it could hurt, he should ask around. My district does not hire former subs, its sort of like the scarlet letter, and I have heard that around other Boston burbs, once you are seen as a sub, you won't get a job as a teacher. Like Haven, we had over 300 apps for the last History opening at the high school, most urban university areas are saturated with Lib Arts grads. Does he have a masters degree and has he worked out reciprocity from his certification to IL's? Does IL have a state specific test that he should take and pass before applying? All of this and more will be on the IL DOE website as Haven said. A friend of mine got a job in Chicago, she got certification and took the old resume around from HS to HS talking to principals and got a job offer the second week of the school year after someone left the building screaming (or so she was told). Hopefully he is in that sweet spot of not too much experience to be expensive (3yrs is good) and not too new to not be NCLB compliant, he just needs to hold tight. Someone will die/deliver a baby/etc and he will have a job. Sometimes in urban areas it just takes a few days/weeks into the school year to get the process going. He should look into charter schools too!
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| Posted: 9/8/2008 8:25:58 PM | |
| P: 9/9/2008 2:39:59 PM | |
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omieluv Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,024 Last Post: 10/23/2009 Member Since: 2/28/2007 |
I just found out my friend has his BA in history & elementary education. Also, he has a MS in curriculum development instructional technology. He is certified to teach history and elementary education. He also has what he calls "permanent certification" meaning that he has passed all state exams & did a video of him teaching, which he passed. Has 3 years of teaching experience and 2 years of sub, for a total of 5 years of experience.
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| Posted: 9/9/2008 2:39:59 PM | |
| P: 9/9/2008 3:14:53 PM | |
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Haven Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,035 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/16/2007 |
The certification requirements are different in every state. I'm not sure what permanent certification is, never heard of that in IL, but he'll be able to figure out how to apply for an IL cert if he visits the ISBE website. There are a ton of state exams here in IL, too, and you have to pass them all to be certified here for an initial or a standard cert. Is he certified to teach HS? Elementary ed and HS ed certificates are two completely different things in IL. I'm not sure by your post if you mean he's certified to teach HS history, just checking. We will hire a substitute if he's very good, it is not the kiss of death in my school. In fact, I think many teachers get their start in schools around here as either subs or instructional aides. He will only receive salary scale credit for the three years that he has taught full-time, schools here do not consider substituting experience when determing years. SO, that means he has three years experience in the master's lane. That can be a bit tough because there is at least a $10,000 pay difference between a BA and a master's in most salary schedules, so he'll be more expensive than a young teacher without a master's. If I were him, I would play up the instructional tech background. And just a word of warning--if he's applying to schools in the northern burbs tell him that he should NOT go to submit his apps in person. Schools dislike this. Dept chairs are busy, and when an applicant eschews the desired online application process to walk in in person it does not look good. Good luck to him! ********************************************************** |
| Posted: 9/9/2008 3:14:53 PM | |
| P: 9/9/2008 4:28:04 PM | |
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omieluv Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,024 Last Post: 10/23/2009 Member Since: 2/28/2007 |
Haven - he is going to send me his resume this evening, so I will have better answers for you regarding his background. This will also give me a chance to take a look at it & suggest changes. Maybe I will just post sections of it here, sans personal information for guidance. Thanks so much!
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| Posted: 9/9/2008 4:28:04 PM | |
| P: 9/9/2008 8:14:06 PM | |
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Haven Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,035 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/16/2007 |
You're so sweet to help him out. Just let me know if he needs help setting up visits in the northern burbs. I'm always happy to help out a fellow educator! ********************************************************** |
| Posted: 9/9/2008 8:14:06 PM | |
| P: 9/9/2008 8:51:25 PM | |
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AprilBaby Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,246 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/17/2008 |
The western suburbs where I live are a great place to teach if you can get in. (DuPage, Kane, Will counties)
"Time is not what you think. Dying? Not the end of everything. We think it is. But what happens on earth is only the beginning." -Mitch Albom, The Five People You Meet in Heaven |
| Posted: 9/9/2008 8:51:25 PM | |
| P: 9/10/2008 9:12:38 AM | |
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swimmer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,936 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 11/9/2007 |
H is so right! He should not show up in person with a resume in the burbs. I was talking about the city. These school systems are very different animals. Also, there really is no such thing as "permanent certification" allowed since NCLB, so hopefully he has kept up with his continuing education credits...mostly he must get on the IL dept of ed website and see how his experience will be counted. My friend who got a job in a very urban middle school had to take another test even though she had been teaching for 10 year and fully certified here in Boston. Its a crazy system, but he can totally beat it. Wasn't there just an article on how so few men teach at the elementary level and how important that is for young boys with no strong role model? I heard it on NPR. Seemed interesting. Something he could use to his advantage...
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| Posted: 9/10/2008 9:12:38 AM | |
| P: 9/10/2008 1:00:28 PM | |
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omieluv Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,024 Last Post: 10/23/2009 Member Since: 2/28/2007 |
Thanks Haven! I feel so bad for my friend/colleague because he is not happy in the job he has now, so I want to do what I can for him. He just sent me his resume, so I am going to take a look at it and update the thread later. I might take sections and copy/paste to see what everyone thinks, as I am not very familiar with how resumes should be worded for the education world. Swimmer, I kinda figured you meant walking into a CPS would be OK. Even I had a hunch that walking into a suburbian school could rub people the wrong way. Thanks for the information regarding testing though! I am learning so much myself about the world of education through this thread!
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| Posted: 9/10/2008 1:00:28 PM | |
| P: 9/10/2008 2:09:52 PM | |
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omieluv Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,024 Last Post: 10/23/2009 Member Since: 2/28/2007 |
Okay, here is his resume. I have not tweaked it yet, as I do see many areas for improvement. However, I want to focus on content. I have added XXXXX to his resume to keep some form of confidentiality. His wording seems off. I know that for resumes outside of education, it is not appropriate to use "I" in the context of the resume. I suspect this is also the case for education, but want to double check with all of you first. Not sure if we need to keep all of his honors under education. His objective needs work. I would like to take out his customer service + corporate experience, as they have nothing to do with teaching. Honors: XXXXXXXX Honor Society, Spring 2001 Certifications: Teaching Experiences: 2007-2008 XXXXX Central School- XXXXXX 2003- 2006 XXXXXX Institution Teacher/ Teacher Assistant 2002- 2003 Substitute Teacher for various local school districts 1997-2001, 2003: Recreational Director Junior, Senior Counselor, One on One Aide, and Teacher Assistant Employment History 2008- Present XXXXX (Corporate job, not education) 1999-2006: Customer Service Associate 1999-2001: XXXXXX Library SUNY Potsdam Activities/Interests:
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| Posted: 9/10/2008 2:09:52 PM | |
| P: 9/10/2008 2:53:32 PM | |
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Haven Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,035 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/16/2007 |
Okay, I'm going to post a generic copy of my resume for you to use as a comparison. The major difference I see are that your friend has a lot of extra information on his resume, and he wrote it in the first person. OBJECTIVE/DESCRIPTION EDUCATION Master of Education, Reading and Literacy ¨C Reading University, Reading, Illinois TEACHING EXPERIENCE Suburban High School, Suburbia, Illinois Big Ten University Center for Talent Development, Anytown, Illinois Community College, Anytown, Illinois Religious School, Anytown, Illinois OTHER PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE ********************************************************** |
| Posted: 9/10/2008 2:53:32 PM | |
| P: 9/10/2008 3:09:37 PM | |
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omieluv Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,024 Last Post: 10/23/2009 Member Since: 2/28/2007 |
Haven, thank you. Your resume and comments confirmed what I was thinking as well. Now more than ever, I am convinced that the structure/content of my colleague's resume could be one of the reasons why he has not been getting interviews. I have a few ideas and will get to work on his new resume & then post to this thread for peer review. Oh yeah, that i.e. vs e.g., rule...what was that again!? I always get those two turned around. From what I can remember, one of them represents "that is."
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| Posted: 9/10/2008 3:09:37 PM | |
| P: 9/10/2008 10:21:07 PM | |
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swimmer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,936 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 11/9/2007 |
He needs to keep it to one page and use some action verbs...diligently worked on lesson plans? I snorted. Yes, but what was he teaching, that is unclear. He must include his objective like Haven demonstrated, and of course a clearly written cover letter that explains why he left teaching and covers why he moved around so very much with age groups and demographics. Who cares obscure academic honors from undergrad? That is like putting your SAT scores on something after college, additionally, his transcripts will be in with the resume usually. I'm a dept chair...his cv would be in the bin for awkward phraseology and lack of meaningful details long before I found out he was a soccer coach...which could totally get him on a short list somewhere. Haven looks awesome on paper, very clear, prioritized, and that is a totally standard education type of resume. I saw another dept chair discard a great candidate's resume recently because it was printed on pink paper and the applicant had made a large letterhead out of her name. Fine by me, weird, but fine since she had great degrees/experience. But he wanted nothing to do with her resume format, and that cost her an interview. Omie, your friend owes you enormously for helping him out so much!
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| Posted: 9/10/2008 10:21:07 PM | |
| P: 9/10/2008 10:30:09 PM | |
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pennquaker09 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,483 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 11/2/2007 |
Date: 9/10/2008 10:21:07 PM Author: swimmer He needs to keep it to one page and use some action verbs...diligently worked on lesson plans? I snorted. Yes, but what was he teaching, that is unclear. He must include his objective like Haven demonstrated, and of course a clearly written cover letter that explains why he left teaching and covers why he moved around so very much with age groups and demographics. Who cares obscure academic honors from undergrad? That is like putting your SAT scores on something after college, additionally, his transcripts will be in with the resume usually. I'm a dept chair...his cv would be in the bin for awkward phraseology and lack of meaningful details long before I found out he was a soccer coach...which could totally get him on a short list somewhere. Haven looks awesome on paper, very clear, prioritized, and that is a totally standard education type of resume. I saw another dept chair discard a great candidate's resume recently because it was printed on pink paper and the applicant had made a large letterhead out of her name. Fine by me, weird, but fine since she had great degrees/experience. But he wanted nothing to do with her resume format, and that cost her an interview. Omie, your friend owes you enormously for helping him out so much! I agree with everything above. Sephora is the mothership! - diamondfan |
| Posted: 9/10/2008 10:30:09 PM | |
| P: 9/11/2008 1:46:55 PM | |
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Haven Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,035 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/16/2007 |
Swimmer--I've heard that you shouldn't type your name in bold or large font on your resume several times before, as well. I keep mine the same size as the rest of my resume, just in case. And I know this is a thread jack, but I would love to hear any tips for improving my own resume if you have them! I'm not looking for a new job, but you never know . . . Omie-- e.g. stands for "exempli gratia" which means "for example". i.e. stands for "id est" which means "that is". Use e.g. when you provide an example to illustrate what you're talking about. Use i.e. when you are explaining or rewording the infomation. You are so kind to help your friend. ********************************************************** |
| Posted: 9/11/2008 1:46:55 PM | |
| P: 9/11/2008 2:42:49 PM | |
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omieluv Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,024 Last Post: 10/23/2009 Member Since: 2/28/2007 |
Date: 9/10/2008 10:21:07 PM Author: swimmer He needs to keep it to one page and use some action verbs...diligently worked on lesson plans? I snorted. Yes, but what was he teaching, that is unclear. He must include his objective like Haven demonstrated, and of course a clearly written cover letter that explains why he left teaching and covers why he moved around so very much with age groups and demographics. Who cares obscure academic honors from undergrad? That is like putting your SAT scores on something after college, additionally, his transcripts will be in with the resume usually. I'm a dept chair...his cv would be in the bin for awkward phraseology and lack of meaningful details long before I found out he was a soccer coach...which could totally get him on a short list somewhere. Haven looks awesome on paper, very clear, prioritized, and that is a totally standard education type of resume. I saw another dept chair discard a great candidate's resume recently because it was printed on pink paper and the applicant had made a large letterhead out of her name. Fine by me, weird, but fine since she had great degrees/experience. But he wanted nothing to do with her resume format, and that cost her an interview. Omie, your friend owes you enormously for helping him out so much! Thank you Swimmer for your comments! The only thing my friend has going for him is that he uses white paper for his resume! So far, I have made basic changes to his resume by removing his honors, unrelated teaching experience, and tweaking his margins (i.e., his margins ranged from .8 - 1.30, which was very odd to me). The next step is to revise wording in his resume (e.g., removing pronouns). What would you suggest in terms of font style and size? Right now, I am using Times New Roman 10? Haven, though I am not in education, I do agree with Swimmer. Your resume is very easy to follow and your wording is great! I will try posting a first draft of my friend's resume sometime today. Thanks for all of your help thus far! :)
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| Posted: 9/11/2008 2:42:49 PM | |
| P: 9/11/2008 3:36:34 PM | |
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Hudson_Hawk Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,443 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 11/2/2006 |
Hi! Is he 100% set on teaching? My company, a publishing company, has an office out there and they often hire teachers as editors and sales reps. If he's looking for something to do while he gets certified in Chicago, that might be a good idea. |
| Posted: 9/11/2008 3:36:34 PM | |
| P: 9/11/2008 3:39:06 PM | |
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omieluv Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,024 Last Post: 10/23/2009 Member Since: 2/28/2007 |
Hudson, not a bad idea, I will pass along your idea to him!
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| Posted: 9/11/2008 3:39:06 PM | |
| P: 9/11/2008 3:58:49 PM | |
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omieluv Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,024 Last Post: 10/23/2009 Member Since: 2/28/2007 |
Okay, I here is my first pass at his resume.
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| Posted: 9/11/2008 3:58:49 PM | |
| P: 9/23/2008 5:00:52 PM | |
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swimmer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,936 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 11/9/2007 |
Sorry I missed this before!!!! Even sorrier that I don't know how to edit within a quote! Don't bother with GPA as he is going to need to include transcripts. Honor Society stuff like that is good in bullet points on the bottom if he was a rockstar. If gpa under 3, don't advertise. Font is fine, keep subbing, keep in all education. His wording is terrible. Action verbs, not repeated, it sounds like his first job listed that he just sat around. How does one manage a book? "stay there dictionaries!" thru is not a word. His job descriptions just crack me up. "Provided a safe and education filled environment while remembering the importance of diversity and individuality within the classroom. Taught fifth thru eighth graders by creating lesson plans, supervising exams, managing homeroom, recess and club responsibilities" Um, its supposed to be safe! what does he mean by the second point? Every teacher does lesson plans, its like saying he was breathing, exams? what? I still don't know what he was teaching! How about: In an economically and ethnically diverse classroom, created a positive learning environment for actively exploring the modern world history (I just picked something). Through carefully structured debates, field trips, during recess, and after school activities fostered respect and encouraged personal responsibility in 5th through 8th grade students. Now I'm just making crap up, but his descriptors are so lame. What did he do? Why does he want to teach if what he is picking out as the most important aspects of teaching are so not-interesting or important. "Taught 7th and 8th grade social studies with predominately emotionally disturbed female adolescents. Provided assistance to other departments within the Institution and assist other professionals." So, he assists? He taught with emotionally disturbed teenage girls? Must have been awesome department meetings. What does he want to share about his time there? His experience working with kids on 504s is key, all of the outside stuff that Charter Schools require, also imp. What areas of Social Studies is he familiar with? Psych, Sociology, Econ, US hist, world? Mostly in his cover letter he has to touch on why he left so many diff jobs...and why he would stay wherever he gets hired. Good luck to him, and man, you are earning some good Karma lady!
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| Posted: 9/23/2008 5:00:52 PM | |
| P: 9/23/2008 5:05:05 PM | |
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swimmer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,936 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 11/9/2007 |
Date: 9/11/2008 1:46:55 PM Author: Haven Swimmer--I've heard that you shouldn't type your name in bold or large font on your resume several times before, as well. I keep mine the same size as the rest of my resume, just in case. And I know this is a thread jack, but I would love to hear any tips for improving my own resume if you have them! I'm not looking for a new job, but you never know . . . Haven, can I hire you? Way to use action verbs and explain the important stuff you are doing. Way to implement a new reading program, and how imperative is a freshman orientation program?!? So key! Keep up the awesome work lady, and lmk if you want to teach in Boston anytime.
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| Posted: 9/23/2008 5:05:05 PM | |
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