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How would you choose between these 1.7 ct rounds?

P: 8/30/2008 7:33:31 AM
michaelnyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 4 Last Post: 9/2/2008 Member Since: 8/29/2008	Hi everyone - I would like to tap into the collective expertise of the forum. Over the past few weeks, I've been trying to do my homework reading this site, and I've come across these three candidates. They are all a bit different and have strengths and weaknesses. They all are in the 0-2 range of the HCA. I (nor my girlfriend) am not focused on any particular characteristic (i.e., color vs. clarity vs. cut etc..) - but rather would like a balanced, high quality diamond...Hope this makes sense. Would love to hear your thoughts. Number 1 (top part of picture) . Shape: A Cut Above H&A . Carat: 1.710 . Color: G . Clarity: VVS1 . Cut: AGS 0 . Depth %: 61.3 . Table %: 56.6 . Crown Angle: 34 . Crown %: 14.6 . Star : 52 . Pavilion Angle: 40.9 . Pavilion %: 43.2 . Lower Girdle %: 78 . Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted . Measurements: 7.67-7.72X4.72 . Light Performance: 0 . Polish: Ideal . Symmetry: Ideal . Culet: Pointed . Fluorescence: Negligible Number 2 (middle part of picture) Shape: Round Carat weight: 1.78 Cut: Ideal (GIA says Very Good) Color: F Clarity: VS2 Depth: 61.0% Table: 55.0% Crown angle: 34% Pavillion angle: 41% Polish: Very Good Symmetry: Excellent Girdle: Thin Culet: None Fluorescence: None Measurements: 7.917.874.81 Number 3 (bottom part of picture) Shape: Round Carat weight: 1.71 Cut: Ideal (GIA Excellent) Color: F Clarity: VS2 Certificate: GIA Depth: 61.8% Table: 57.0% Pavillion angle: 40.6 Crown angle: 35 Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Girdle: Thin to slightly thick Culet: None Fluorescence: None Measurements: 7.617.664.72
Posted: 8/30/2008 7:33:31 AM

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P: 8/30/2008 8:07:18 AM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	I would pass on the 3rd one because of the not so perfect optical symmetry. To choose between the 2 others, you have to know if you like the painted girdle of number 2 or the classic H&A with a normal girdle, number 1. Some people like painted girdle, GIA doesn't, that's why the "only" very good cut grade. But for such a crown/pavilion combo, it shouldn't be a big issue but more a matter of personal preference. Both should be gorgeous diamonds. You could order them both and spend that extra money on shipping/insurance fees to make the good choice, and then send one back. I think it is well worth $100 to choose the best diamond to your eyes. Stephan
Posted: 8/30/2008 8:07:18 AM

P: 8/30/2008 8:20:40 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/30/2008 8:07:18 AM Author: QueenMum I would pass on the 3rd one because of the not so perfect optical symmetry. To choose between the 2 others, you have to know if you like the painted girdle of number 2 or the classic H&A with a normal girdle, number 1. Some people like painted girdle, GIA doesn't, that's why the 'only' very good cut grade. But for such a crown/pavilion combo, it shouldn't be a big issue but more a matter of personal preference. Both should be gorgeous diamonds. You could order them both and spend that extra money on shipping/insurance fees to make the good choice, and then send one back. I think it is well worth $100 to choose the best diamond to your eyes. I agree with Stephan. Also did you want VVS clarity particularly? I just thought I would point it out as VS is likely to be eyeclean, unless of course that is your preference! The third could still be a nice diamond, it depends on your taste and requirements. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/30/2008 8:20:40 AM

P: 8/30/2008 8:51:38 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/30/2008 8:20:40 AM Author: Lorelei I agree with Stephan. Also did you want VVS clarity particularly? I just thought I would point it out as VS is likely to be eyeclean, unless of course that is your preference! The third could still be a nice diamond, it depends on your taste and requirements. It could be a matter of, they don't seem to have anything else in that size in lower clarity for ACA's, I just looked. I would say, if you are not sure about the type of stone the second is, it might be safer to go with a classic cut (first). I poked around, just to see what else they might have to offer in lower clarity, and found an interesting stone in the Expert Selection. This one is an H, which I don't know if you would consider. It also has strong blue fluorescence, which would help it face up a bit brighter/whiter. I have a feeling this would have been branded an ACA were it not for the flo. It's not a bad thing, Brian just doesn't brand strong to very strong stones. If the flo is not negatively affecting it (rare), this could be a really nice stone for a really nice price. So I just thought I'd throw it out there for you. Feel free to ignore! http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-1204644.htm# Here's another nice one, with a bit lower clarity. http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/4867/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/30/2008 8:51:38 AM

P: 8/30/2008 8:55:44 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/30/2008 8:51:38 AM Author: Ellen Date: 8/30/2008 8:20:40 AM Author: Lorelei I agree with Stephan. Also did you want VVS clarity particularly? I just thought I would point it out as VS is likely to be eyeclean, unless of course that is your preference! The third could still be a nice diamond, it depends on your taste and requirements. It could be a matter of, they don't seem to have anything else in that size in lower clarity for ACA's, I just looked. I would say, if you are not sure about the type of stone the second is, it might be safer to go with a classic cut (first). I poked around, just to see what else they might have to offer in lower clarity, and found an interesting stone in the Expert Selection. This one is an H, which I don't know if you would consider. It also has strong blue fluorescence, which would help it face up a bit brighter/whiter. I have a feeling this would have been branded an ACA were it not for the flo. It's not a bad thing, Brian just doesn't brand strong to very strong stones. If the flo is not negatively affecting it (rare), this could be a really nice stone for a really nice price. So I just thought I'd throw it out there for you. Feel free to ignore! http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-1204644.htm# Here's another nice one, with a bit lower clarity. http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/4867/ Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/30/2008 8:55:44 AM

P: 8/30/2008 9:00:49 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Oh my goodness, thank you Miss Lorele! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/30/2008 9:00:49 AM

P: 8/30/2008 10:32:05 AM
girlie-girl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 819 Last Post: 6/5/2009 Member Since: 5/29/2008	Based solely on the images you posted, I like the first diamond best.
Posted: 8/30/2008 10:32:05 AM

P: 8/30/2008 11:18:54 AM
Upgradable Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,447 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/15/2004	That H that Ellen found at Whiteflash is kickin'!! If I were in the market I'd be all over that baby in a heartbeat!!
Posted: 8/30/2008 11:18:54 AM

P: 8/30/2008 11:21:56 AM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 8/30/2008 11:18:54 AM Author: Upgradable That H that Ellen found at Whiteflash is kickin'!! If I were in the market I'd be all over that baby in a heartbeat!! Very strong blue fluorescence... You should also ask Brian why this diamond didn't become ACA. Stephan
Posted: 8/30/2008 11:21:56 AM

P: 8/30/2008 11:22:29 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/30/2008 11:18:54 AM Author: Upgradable That H that Ellen found at Whiteflash is kickin'!! If I were in the market I'd be all over that baby in a heartbeat!! I know, that was an excellent find from Miss Ellen!! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/30/2008 11:22:29 AM

P: 8/30/2008 11:42:07 AM
thing2of2 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,670 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 1/1/2007	I'd get the ACA. ACAs are gorgeous and Whiteflash has a great upgrade policy (100% of what you spent originally goes towards another diamond from them and there are no price restrictions on what you have to spend) and their customer service is top notch. The ES from WF that Ellen posted is also gorgeous.
Posted: 8/30/2008 11:42:07 AM

P: 8/30/2008 11:43:11 AM
thing2of2 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,670 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 1/1/2007	I forgot to point out that a lot of people say when you make a list, you usually put what you like the best first. So the ACA wins if that's true!
Posted: 8/30/2008 11:43:11 AM

P: 8/30/2008 12:01:23 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/30/2008 11:21:56 AM Author: QueenMum Date: 8/30/2008 11:18:54 AM Author: Upgradable That H that Ellen found at Whiteflash is kickin'!! If I were in the market I'd be all over that baby in a heartbeat!! Very strong blue fluorescence... You should also ask Brian why this diamond didn't become ACA. Stephan, as I posted earlier, Brian doesn't brand strong to very strong stones. Just his policy. I agree, that H awesome! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/30/2008 12:01:23 PM

P: 8/30/2008 12:02:53 PM
canuk-gal Ideal Rock Total Posts: 9,195 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 4/19/2004	Date: 8/30/2008 8:07:18 AM Author: QueenMum I would pass on the 3rd one because of the not so perfect optical symmetry. To choose between the 2 others, you have to know if you like the painted girdle of number 2 or the classic H&A with a normal girdle, number 1. Some people like painted girdle, GIA doesn't, that's why the 'only' very good cut grade. But for such a crown/pavilion combo, it shouldn't be a big issue but more a matter of personal preference. Both should be gorgeous diamonds. You could order them both and spend that extra money on shipping/insurance fees to make the good choice, and then send one back. I think it is well worth $100 to choose the best diamond to your eyes. HI: I have a suspicion both 1 and 2 would be gorgeous--and the spread on two is desirable. VG rating for the variable "polish" I could live with. Would any leakage in #2 really be detectable IRL? IS looks pretty good to me.... Let me have it man, as I am always happy to be wrong! BTW, I would not buy a stone with SBF--but that is just me. Either you love them or ya don't...... cheers--Sharon "People who possess great qualities, do not need to show off".
Posted: 8/30/2008 12:02:53 PM

P: 8/30/2008 12:05:09 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 8/30/2008 12:01:23 PM Author: Ellen Stephan, as I posted earlier, Brian doesn't brand strong to very strong stones. Just his policy. Yes, and the very thin to medium girdle is something I never saw in ACA's, but I didn't see them all. ;) Stephan
Posted: 8/30/2008 12:05:09 PM

P: 8/30/2008 12:52:12 PM
Upgradable Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,447 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/15/2004	Date: 8/30/2008 12:05:09 PM Author: QueenMum Date: 8/30/2008 12:01:23 PM Author: Ellen Stephan, as I posted earlier, Brian doesn't brand strong to very strong stones. Just his policy. Yes, and the very thin to medium girdle is something I never saw in ACA's, but I didn't see them all. ;) However the sarin report is much more forgiving on the girdle thickness (medium to slt thick). How would you react to the discrepancy between the AGS and sarin?
Posted: 8/30/2008 12:52:12 PM

P: 8/30/2008 1:18:53 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/30/2008 12:52:12 PM Author: Upgradable Date: 8/30/2008 12:05:09 PM Author: QueenMum Date: 8/30/2008 12:01:23 PM Author: Ellen Stephan, as I posted earlier, Brian doesn't brand strong to very strong stones. Just his policy. Yes, and the very thin to medium girdle is something I never saw in ACA's, but I didn't see them all. ;) However the sarin report is much more forgiving on the girdle thickness (medium to slt thick). How would you react to the discrepancy between the AGS and sarin? That's why I went ahead and recommended it, I saw that on the Sarin too. I'd go with that (Sarin) myself, but one could always ask to be sure. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/30/2008 1:18:53 PM

P: 8/31/2008 2:37:24 AM
Allison D. Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,726 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 2/1/2008	Date: 8/30/2008 11:21:56 AM Author: QueenMum Date: 8/30/2008 11:18:54 AM Author: Upgradable That H that Ellen found at Whiteflash is kickin'!! If I were in the market I'd be all over that baby in a heartbeat!! Very strong blue fluorescence... You should also ask Brian why this diamond didn't become ACA. Ellen's right, Stephan.....Brian has traditionally not allowed stones with fluorescence into the ACA brand. It's funny, because this is the third time this topic has come up lately, and it makes me wonder how people would feel about being able to buy branded stones with fluorescence of some kind. In order not to hijack this thread, though, I'll start another one. Allison Dewey...."Alj" Consumer Relations, Whiteflash **the artist formerly known as aljdewey**
Posted: 8/31/2008 2:37:24 AM

P: 8/31/2008 8:07:09 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/31/2008 2:37:24 AM Author: Allison D. Ellen's right, Stephan.....Brian has traditionally not allowed stones with fluorescence into the ACA brand. It's funny, because this is the third time this topic has come up lately, and it makes me wonder how people would feel about being able to buy branded stones with fluorescence of some kind. In order not to hijack this thread, though, I'll start another one. Alj, should I take this to mean flo at any level? I always thought it was only strong to very strong. Just wondering for future reference. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/31/2008 8:07:09 AM

P: 9/2/2008 1:44:18 PM
michaelnyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 4 Last Post: 9/2/2008 Member Since: 8/29/2008	Queen Mum - I don't really have a clarity preference other than it being "eyeclean".
Posted: 9/2/2008 1:44:18 PM

P: 9/2/2008 1:46:17 PM
michaelnyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 4 Last Post: 9/2/2008 Member Since: 8/29/2008	Wow Ellen, thanks so much for your recommendations! I certainly am intrigued by both the WF and GOG stone suggestions - I'm a little tentative on the H and the Strong Blue Fluorescence. I had been thinking G was OK, but not to go as far down as H. That said, given the price I may actually purchase it and see what it looks like live.
Posted: 9/2/2008 1:46:17 PM

P: 9/2/2008 2:30:43 PM
first123 Rough Rock Total Posts: 81 Last Post: 11/10/2008 Member Since: 6/18/2008	I almost bought that H colored WF stone with the strong flo. I called and spoke with Brian about it and he said he would not reccomend it for an engagement ring unless the receiver of the ring has requested a SF. He said it creates a very noticable bluish violet tint in sunlight (as you might expect) and like most people on this forum, you will either love that effect or hate it. So an engagement ring might not be the best piece of jewelry to find out whether or not you like strong flo.
Posted: 9/2/2008 2:30:43 PM

P: 9/2/2008 2:45:11 PM
Kelli Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,581 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 5/27/2008	Personally I would LOVE the fluorescence, and go with that one. But of your three choices, I like the ACA simply because you will not find an ACA that isn't stunning. The vvs clarity is overkill though, just IMO. The other stones look like they could be gorgeous too, I would just want the safest option. An ACA with an AGS light performance grade of 0------ you can't go wrong with that.
Posted: 9/2/2008 2:45:11 PM

P: 9/2/2008 3:00:51 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 9/2/2008 2:45:11 PM Author: Kelli Personally I would LOVE the fluorescence, and go with that one. But of your three choices, I like the ACA simply because you will not find an ACA that isn't stunning. The vvs clarity is overkill though, just IMO. The other stones look like they could be gorgeous too, I would just want the safest option. An ACA with an AGS light performance grade of 0------ you can't go wrong with that. True. However, there are many GIA stones that are just as beautiful as ACA's. One just needs to know what to look for. That one from GOG happens to be a branded stone too, they cut an extremely beautiful stone, and get them graded at both labs. first123, thanks for the info on the WF stone! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 9/2/2008 3:00:51 PM

P: 9/2/2008 3:01:37 PM
michaelnyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 4 Last Post: 9/2/2008 Member Since: 8/29/2008	OK....so I hate to complicate this but how do people feel about this diamond that Ellen found? http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4867/ Shape: Round Carat Weight: 1.71ct Color: G Clarity: VS2 GIA Cut Grade: Excellent Optical Symmetry: Superior Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Fluorescence: None Culet: None Width: 7.71mm Length: 7.74mm Depth: 4.77mm Table Percentage: 55.00% Depth Percentage: 61.70% Crown ∠: 34.33° Crown Depth: 15.30% Pavilion ∠: 41.00° Pavilion Depth: 43.50%
Posted: 9/2/2008 3:01:37 PM

P: 9/2/2008 3:11:21 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	michael, I would go for the GOG in a heartbeat. It's much less money, just a hair bigger, and it's an Isee2 branded diamond. I happen to own one of these stones, along with some ACA studs, and they are definitely just as beautiful. That is a gorgeous stone! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 9/2/2008 3:11:21 PM

P: 9/2/2008 3:35:22 PM
Upgradable Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,447 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/15/2004	G VS2, a sweet spot!! Looks like a winner!!
Posted: 9/2/2008 3:35:22 PM

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