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Arnold for Governor!

P: 9/25/2003 5:43:43 PM
derekinla Cut Rock Total Posts: 467 Last Post: 6/16/2005 Member Since: 9/8/2003	Did anyone see the debate yesterday? After watching the 90 minute free for all, I was pleasantly surprised. I think I Arnold might just take it on Oct 7th. Derek in Los Angeles
Posted: 9/25/2003 5:43:43 PM

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P: 9/25/2003 6:24:16 PM
mike04456 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,441 Last Post: 3/28/2004 Member Since: 11/20/2002	As far as I can see, the only difference between Arnold and Gary Coleman (or, for that matter, that porn actress who is also on the ballot) is that his movies have made a lot more money.
Posted: 9/25/2003 6:24:16 PM

P: 9/25/2003 6:27:55 PM
derekinla Cut Rock Total Posts: 467 Last Post: 6/16/2005 Member Since: 9/8/2003	---------------- On 9/25/2003 6:24:16 PM LawGem wrote: As far as I can see, the only difference between Arnold and Gary Coleman (or, for that matter, that porn actress who is also on the ballot) is that his movies have made a lot more money. ---------------- Whatchooo talkin about Willis! Derek in Los Angeles
Posted: 9/25/2003 6:27:55 PM

P: 9/25/2003 6:38:26 PM
derekinla Cut Rock Total Posts: 467 Last Post: 6/16/2005 Member Since: 9/8/2003	Actually, Arnold's has some great ideas. If you go to his website: www.joinarnold.com you can take a look at his "angenda". Regardless if you're a Democrat or Republican, his solutions really make sense and cross many party lines. McClintock, althought the most polished of the group, seems too conservative to win. Arianna's "taxholes" that Arnold alluded to only further raises suspicions of her character. As for Cruz, I'm not sure I want a Lieutenant Governer to inherit the throne when the real Governor is sinking fast. Derek in Los Angeles
Posted: 9/25/2003 6:38:26 PM

P: 9/25/2003 6:55:43 PM
mike04456 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,441 Last Post: 3/28/2004 Member Since: 11/20/2002	I have a lot of ideas too, but that doesn't mean I'm qualified to be governor. If Arnold gets elected with 25% of the vote, those bandits in Sacramento are likely to eat him alive, if they even give him the time of day.
Posted: 9/25/2003 6:55:43 PM

P: 9/25/2003 7:07:53 PM
derekinla Cut Rock Total Posts: 467 Last Post: 6/16/2005 Member Since: 9/8/2003	I doubt they would eat him alive. Arnold will likely continue to surround him with powerful people with the know-how and resources to make some meaningful change (i.e. former secretary of state George Schultz, democrat Warren Buffett as co-chairs of recovery council). The quagmire in Sacramento has to be cleaned up and it will take an outsider with fresh ideas, infallible to special interest, to get the job done. I really think he's going to be the person to reform our corrupt state government. Derek in Los Angeles
Posted: 9/25/2003 7:07:53 PM

P: 9/25/2003 7:12:40 PM
derekinla Cut Rock Total Posts: 467 Last Post: 6/16/2005 Member Since: 9/8/2003	Hell, we need someone to clean up our federal government too........... Derek in Los Angeles
Posted: 9/25/2003 7:12:40 PM

P: 9/25/2003 7:40:15 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	I am definitely voting for Arnold...I LUV his movies and his sense of humor. Is that all I am basing it on? Well yea...look where educated voting has gotten us in the past. We watched a few min of the debate...wow what a comedy show!! The dislike between Arnie and Arianna is palpable...where was the porn star?!?! ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 9/25/2003 7:40:15 PM

P: 9/25/2003 8:16:04 PM
mike04456 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,441 Last Post: 3/28/2004 Member Since: 11/20/2002	---------------- On 9/25/2003 7:40:15 PM Mara wrote: Is that all I am basing it on? Well yea...look where educated voting has gotten us in the past. ---------------- This one is definitely bringing out the weird in everyone. Me, I am deliberately not voting--for the first time since I turned 18--because I find all possible outcomes of this election to be equally repulsive. I don't know what's up with the porn star--she didn't even submit a candidate statement.
Posted: 9/25/2003 8:16:04 PM

P: 9/25/2003 9:32:14 PM
Aprile Rough Rock Total Posts: 63 Last Post: 11/3/2003 Member Since: 4/4/2003	Not eligible to vote due to geographic location however I like Arnold. But for either "camp", you should check this site out, brought to you by the same ppl who do the hilarious We Love The Iragi Information Minister site, We Love Arnold
Posted: 9/25/2003 9:32:14 PM

P: 9/26/2003 8:01:17 AM
Iceman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,374 Last Post: 1/24/2008 Member Since: 8/26/2000	If you liked Ronald you'll love Arnold! (new slogan) I use to go watch him at the Mr. Olympia show in Columbus Ohio. I can remember when he walked through the entrance door back stage to meet the crowd. No big crowds to see him and I can remember he was not as tall as I thought he would be but he had the widest shoulders I had ever seen. Any way, I remember pushing past him, thinking "Pumping Iron" that movie and his acting Sucked! I want to get Lou Ferigino's (the Incredible Hulks) signature! I was even down in the first row and sat next to his future wife and didn't know it till my wife told me. You just never know.
Posted: 9/26/2003 8:01:17 AM

P: 9/26/2003 8:23:22 AM
winyan Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,144 Last Post: 11/1/2006 Member Since: 5/9/2003	My SO knew him, he overused steroids in his heyday. My SO is/was also into the heavy weights, his training partner was Harold "Damien" Poole, a former Mr. Universe back when Joe and Ben Weider just gave out a 6 foot trophy for the title with no $$. Personally, from what I know, I wouldn't trust him to throw a camber straight. win "... (Corporations) have all the benefits of voters, without the guidance of a conscience. ... Corporations they will bring this country down." Theodore Roosevelt 1904
Posted: 9/26/2003 8:23:22 AM

P: 9/26/2003 10:11:08 AM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	Thanks Aprile! I was an avid follower of the welove - iraqi info. minister site. My 2cents - I don't the vote will be for a recall.
Posted: 9/26/2003 10:11:08 AM

P: 9/26/2003 12:53:48 PM
Iceman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,374 Last Post: 1/24/2008 Member Since: 8/26/2000	Arnold didn't have such a flowery past , but what he did in his past did not destroy California. Think about it. His past has nothing to do with the state California is in now! On the other hand the politicians who destroyed California want back in ? What about their past , their past is what ruined Californian in the first place. I wish I could vote We need to get people with an open mind and can not be bought in power , I would also like to see a woman president , we don't need politicians running this country. I surround myself with the "a" students there is nothing wrong with that , the president does the same thing. If Arnold has good people around him that is the answer.
Posted: 9/26/2003 12:53:48 PM

P: 9/26/2003 12:56:17 PM
Iceman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,374 Last Post: 1/24/2008 Member Since: 8/26/2000	That is why we have elections We all have different views.
Posted: 9/26/2003 12:56:17 PM

P: 9/26/2003 1:10:09 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	If you were in CA and saw the anti-Davis sentiment that flows around...you would see that it's an almost absolute certainty that Davis will be recalled. I don't see him staying in office under any circumstances, he's done way too much damage to the state and its inhabitants. You don't get to this point only to have him voted to stay in office. I think Arnold will end up winning with some amazingly small % because there are so many candidates that they will split the vote tremendously. Perfect scenario? There is NONE. I wouldn't choose any of the candidates in a perfect world. But I do want Davis GONE, and if Arnold can clean up some messes for the next few years...good for him--he certainly likes the limelight enough to want to stay in people's good graces which bodes well for us. I personally don't need to trust a politician in order to think he will run the state right. Whoever takes the office next will be highly scrutinized. Now that CA has actually gone the distance and forced this recall--it will be different in the future for the governers...they won't float by like they have in the past. This has set a precedent and I think people feel much more empowered. It will be an interesting next couple of years, regardless of who wins. My two cents...and I don't even watch the news ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 9/26/2003 1:10:09 PM

P: 9/26/2003 2:14:38 PM
innerkitten Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,923 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/2/2003	I for one will not be voting for Arnold. I haven't made up my mind who I will be voting for though, but it won't be for him.
Posted: 9/26/2003 2:14:38 PM

P: 9/26/2003 2:44:40 PM
XvvOrlyBearvvX Rough Rock Total Posts: 88 Last Post: 1/5/2004 Member Since: 9/14/2003	If I still lived in California I would totally vote for the Porn Star. I really really want her to win. I hope you come down with something they can't diagnose, don't have the cure for. Have another drink and drive yourself home... I hope there's ice on all the roads.. And you can think of me when you forget your seatbelt then when your head goes through the windshield.. I hope the next girl that you kiss has something terribly contagious on her lips... the only thing that comforts me is knowing that you'll never be happy Good to Know That if I Ever Need Attention All I Have to Do is Die The Truth is you could Slit my Throat but with my one last gasping breath id apologize for bleeding on your shirt
Posted: 9/26/2003 2:44:40 PM

P: 9/26/2003 3:38:55 PM
canadiangrrl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 787 Last Post: 3/19/2008 Member Since: 6/10/2003	Don't live in California. Don't even live in the US (yet.) But I wouldn't vote for Arnold for all the tea in China, as my Nana used to say. Having said that...the California voters aren't blessed with a wealth of strong candidates... What a complete fiasco. Canadiangrrl, Supreme Allied Commander Of Gen. Wesley Clark's Presidential Campaign Sursum Corda! Mess with Texas.
Posted: 9/26/2003 3:38:55 PM

P: 9/26/2003 4:43:30 PM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	---------------- On 9/26/2003 1:10:09 PM Mara wrote: If you were in CA and saw the anti-Davis sentiment that flows around...you would see that it's an almost absolute certainty that Davis will be recalled. I don't see him staying in office under any circumstances, he's done way too much damage to the state and its inhabitants. You don't get to this point only to have him voted to stay in office. blockquote> Mara, you are certainly closer to it than me. The polls (if you can believe any of them) report out here that the pendulum has begun to sway in the "not voting him out of office". With the plethera of dopey candidates, it's a three ring circus. One which many want ended - at least that was the sentiment express in the paper. I don't get to vote; but, if I did - better the devil you know then one you don't know. Except for the electric crisis, I didn't know CA was in such bad shape. It's sort of viewed as another country here in the S.E. I'm not sure you can blame the whole fiscal crisis on Davis. The dot coms imploded - which was a large chunk of change not going to the coiffers. I am unfamiliar w/ some of the other things Davis has done to PO his constituents. That said, someone was really asleep at the wheel w/ that whole engery crisis. For that reason alone, either he mismanaged himself or mismanaged his people & put the people of CA in a position they should not have been in. Curious, is the anti-Davis sentiment w/ all areas of CA. San Diego seems so different in thinking than the Bay Area in their thinking. Only time will tell. I think it's a big collassel waste of money. Also, why was he voted into office in the first place?
Posted: 9/26/2003 4:43:30 PM

P: 9/26/2003 5:52:17 PM
Rank Amateur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,547 Last Post: 5/5/2009 Member Since: 2/26/2003	hey Canadagirl Wesley Clark was fired as the Nato's Allied Commander. Then he "retired".
Posted: 9/26/2003 5:52:17 PM

P: 9/26/2003 5:58:49 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	F&I--the whole thing is ridiculous--and further adds to people thinking that Californian's don't know what the heck they are doing. I am not a politics person and I don't even watch the news. But to get to the shape we are in now...everything was mismanaged and for a long time. Yes dotcom's imploded and here in the BayArea it was the worst...but somehow most of us managed to get through it, pick ourselves up by our bootstraps, and move on with not incurring large amounts of debt by continuing living outside of our means....so why should the STATE be any differernt? You'd think that they in fact would be running BETTER now that a reality check was given (and almost 3 years ago!!!). But no. Serious stupidity..that's how! ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 9/26/2003 5:58:49 PM

P: 9/26/2003 7:34:14 PM
mike04456 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,441 Last Post: 3/28/2004 Member Since: 11/20/2002	How we got here is fairly simple: During Davis's first term, tax revenues rose about 25% because of the booming economy. Unfortunately, state spending rose 35% during the same period. Then the bottom fell out of the economy and, in addition, federal contributions to fund federal mandates to the states also dropped. Ergo, a huge deficit. (Kind of the same thing that's gone on in Washington, except there isn't a federal recall mechanism. ) Even worse, because of several decades of government-by-initiative, the state is locked into spending certain amounts on various programs (some of which is written into the state constitution) and raising taxes is almost impossible. Fixing these problems will require huge changes in the law as well as several constitutional amendments. Getting all that done will require someone who can be a real leader and consensus builder, given the horribly politicized environment in Sacramento. And, I'm sorry, but Arnold just isn't the one to do it. He doesn't have the leadership ability and no one in the state poltical establishment looks on him as anything but a joke. Those guys are simply going to eat him for lunch, no matter how many famous people he recruits for his brain trust.
Posted: 9/26/2003 7:34:14 PM

P: 9/26/2003 8:34:05 PM
derekinla Cut Rock Total Posts: 467 Last Post: 6/16/2005 Member Since: 9/8/2003	I beg to differ, Arnold has, in the span of a few months, mobilized the appropriate resources to 1) Earn the support of the majority of the Republican party here in CA 2) Earn the support of such political leaders as Bill Simon, Pete Wilson, Richard Riordan etc.... 3) Exceeded all expectations as a serious political candidate during the recent televised debate. To say he lacks leadership seems a bit premature when you consider ALL that he has accomplished in such a short period of time. Derek in Los Angeles
Posted: 9/26/2003 8:34:05 PM

P: 9/26/2003 10:01:34 PM
canadiangrrl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 787 Last Post: 3/19/2008 Member Since: 6/10/2003	Hi Lawgem, I'm pretty conversant with General Clark's past. My better half's a Lieutenant Colonel in US Air Force, and we've had endless debates/discussions on Democratic candidates. Clark most certainly has his foibles - as did Clinton, under whom you had eight years of uninterrupted peace & economic prosperity. I would actually prefer Kerry over Clark, if it were up to me (which, obviously, it's not.) I generally prefer a Presidential candidate with a military background, politics notwithstanding. Unfortunately, I don't think Kerry has much of a chance. Timing's everything, and his "time" is perceived as being "over." He's also not particularly charismatic - and sadly, that seems to matter to many voters. So via process of elimination - as most of these things get decided, rightly or wrongly - Clark's a better deal. Surely better than your current President. Canadiangrrl, Ardent Future US Democrat Sursum Corda! Mess with Texas.
Posted: 9/26/2003 10:01:34 PM

P: 9/27/2003 9:41:28 AM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	Geez, you guys have one big mess on your hands. Hugs to my Governor! He is foremost a business man running a business which happens to be the Great State Of Virginia.
Posted: 9/27/2003 9:41:28 AM

P: 9/27/2003 10:41:03 AM
Rank Amateur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,547 Last Post: 5/5/2009 Member Since: 2/26/2003	hey Canadagirl The stock market first crashed under the Clinton administration (spring of 2000). I don't blame Clinton, but I certainly don't give him credit for the market's rise, either. It was a bubble economy that needed to come back to reality.
Posted: 9/27/2003 10:41:03 AM

P: 9/27/2003 3:46:38 PM
Arlington Cut Rock Total Posts: 179 Last Post: 6/24/2004 Member Since: 8/6/2003	---------------- On 9/27/2003 9:41:28 AM fire&ice wrote: Geez, you guys have one big mess on your hands. Hugs to my Governor! He is foremost a business man running a business which happens to be the Great State Of Virginia.---------------- F&I -- I have to agree! Warner had to make some tough decisions to right the ship around here, but he's getting the job done. I really have no opinion on who is right for California, but I can tell you all that from what I have read whoever takes over is very unlikely to make much headway towards fixing the mess. As Lawgem accurately pointed out several messages ago, the financial troubles in California can very much be blamed on mandatory spending initiatives voted into law by the people of California over the years.
Posted: 9/27/2003 3:46:38 PM

P: 10/1/2003 4:43:31 PM
mike04456 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,441 Last Post: 3/28/2004 Member Since: 11/20/2002	Well, it looks like Arnold is going to "cruz" to an easy victory. Personally, if he's going to win, I hope he gets a significant chunk of the vote, i.e., the 40+ he's picking up in the polls right now. If he were to win with just 25-30%, it's unlikely he would be able to do anything. Maybe this will shake up Sacramento a little--Lord knows they need it.
Posted: 10/1/2003 4:43:31 PM

P: 10/1/2003 4:58:44 PM
derekinla Cut Rock Total Posts: 467 Last Post: 6/16/2005 Member Since: 9/8/2003	I wonder what percentage of the vote "Marey Carey" will receive? At least Ron Jeremy isn't running or else we'd all be in trouble :P Derek in Los Angeles
Posted: 10/1/2003 4:58:44 PM

P: 10/1/2003 5:05:12 PM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	You know, it ain't over till the fat lady sings. Plus, you know me & polls. The margin of error is just too great to be an accurate predictor in real life. But, again, only time will tell. I do sincerely hope that someone can straighten out what appears to be a big 'ol mess.
Posted: 10/1/2003 5:05:12 PM

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