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P: 8/6/2008 1:47:52 PM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	Hi everyone-- I've been doing research for several weeks and have whittled down exactly what I want, and I'm looking at four stones. Can anyone offer any opinions? All four pass the HCA test below 2 Diamond 1 $4,489 1.09 ct GIA Excellent Color H SI2 polish VG sym EX Other: Additional clouds, surface graining not shown on cert Diamond 2 $4,497 1.06 ct GIA Excellent Color H SI2 polish VG sym VG Other: None Diamond 3 $4,672 1.15 ct GIA Excellent Color H SI2 polish VG sym VG Other: Additional clouds, surface graining not shown on cert Diamond 4 $4,769 1.08 ct GIA excellent Color H SI2 polish EX sym VG Other: Additional clouds not shown on cert So far I am thinking Diamond #3 is a pretty good value, should I be concerned with "Additional clouds not shown" on the cert? How about surface graining? Thanks for any opinions!
Posted: 8/6/2008 1:47:52 PM

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P: 8/6/2008 1:54:34 PM
Dreamer1116 Cut Rock Total Posts: 156 Last Post: 11/10/2009 Member Since: 6/9/2008	I am by no mean an expert on diamonds by no means, but I am certain people are going to at least want to know depth, table, crown, and pavilion specs., and perhaps even the shape of diamond you are looking to purchase. Giving them additional information may help them give a better--more informed opinion. Hope you find the perfect diamond--I am on the same boat! Good Luck! AGE: 23 ENGAGEMENT: August 1, 2009 RELATIONSHIP: Since 11/16/2001 I've been through the ups and downs with my best friend!
Posted: 8/6/2008 1:54:34 PM

P: 8/6/2008 2:10:36 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/6/2008 1:54:34 PM Author: Dreamer1116 I am by no mean an expert on diamonds by no means, but I am certain people are going to at least want to know depth, table, crown, and pavilion specs., and perhaps even the shape of diamond you are looking to purchase. Giving them additional information may help them give a better--more informed opinion. Hope you find the perfect diamond--I am on the same boat! Good Luck! I would guess round, if they used the HCA. But you are absolutely correct, we need the rest of the info to make a helpful comment. Also need girdle measurement, and if any have strong to very strong fluorescence. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/6/2008 2:10:36 PM

P: 8/6/2008 2:16:12 PM
Dreamer1116 Cut Rock Total Posts: 156 Last Post: 11/10/2009 Member Since: 6/9/2008	Date: 8/6/2008 2:10:36 PM Author: Ellen Date: 8/6/2008 1:54:34 PM Author: Dreamer1116 I am by no mean an expert on diamonds by no means, but I am certain people are going to at least want to know depth, table, crown, and pavilion specs., and perhaps even the shape of diamond you are looking to purchase. Giving them additional information may help them give a better--more informed opinion. Hope you find the perfect diamond--I am on the same boat! Good Luck! I would guess round, if they used the HCA. But you are absolutely correct, we need the rest of the info to make a helpful comment. Also need girdle measurement, and if any have strong to very strong fluorescence. GOOD POINT! AGE: 23 ENGAGEMENT: August 1, 2009 RELATIONSHIP: Since 11/16/2001 I've been through the ups and downs with my best friend!
Posted: 8/6/2008 2:16:12 PM

P: 8/6/2008 5:14:25 PM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	Sorry, my apologies for not including that info. I only have the info for Diamond 1 in front of me, but I think this is up there for me as well... Diamond 1-- $4,489 1.09 ct GIA Excellent cut HCA 0.9 Color H SI2 Polish VG Sym EX Depth= 60.2% Table= 58% Medium Girdle No Flourescence Notes: No additional clouds, surface graining not shown on cert Sound like a good value? Should I be concerned about the notes on the cert?
Posted: 8/6/2008 5:14:25 PM

P: 8/6/2008 5:21:33 PM
:) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,864 Last Post: 6/1/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2006	Date: 8/6/2008 5:14:25 PM Author: nikmasteed Sorry, my apologies for not including that info. I only have the info for Diamond 1 in front of me, but I think this is up there for me as well... Diamond 1-- $4,489 1.09 ct GIA Excellent cut HCA 0.9 Color H SI2 Polish VG Sym EX Depth= 60.2% Table= 58% Medium Girdle No Flourescence Notes: No additional clouds, surface graining not shown on cert Sound like a good value? Should I be concerned about the notes on the cert? Need CA and PA. need diameter measurements. Then we can help
Posted: 8/6/2008 5:21:33 PM

P: 8/6/2008 5:25:54 PM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	Crown is 33.5% Pavilion is 40.8% Measurements 6.69x6.67x4.02
Posted: 8/6/2008 5:25:54 PM

P: 8/6/2008 5:37:19 PM
:) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,864 Last Post: 6/1/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2006	dang it it deleted my lengthy post. It has potential. Do you have any with slightly smaller tables? Personal preference I like fire and the crown angle on that one isn't going to help much there. Can you get an IS on it? Can you clarify the 'comments' on the stone? I think you listed clouds not shown on one, and no clouds on another?
Posted: 8/6/2008 5:37:19 PM

P: 8/6/2008 5:51:15 PM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	"Additional clouds are not shown. Surface graining is not shown." That's all it says, besides that the markings on the cert aren't too bad at least for my needs-- as long as it is eye clean and it doesn't affect light return/fire and all that I will be okay with it. I'm not a diamond expert at all, but I want something that will look amazing to the naked eye. I can find out about an Ideal-Scope, although I havent seen one for it yet. My main concern is would this diamond be a good buy for what it costs? $4490 sounds pretty decent for a 1.09 with an Excellent cut, near colorless, and eye clean.
Posted: 8/6/2008 5:51:15 PM

P: 8/7/2008 7:01:55 AM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	Haha, no takers? Ive given all the info! Any opinions would be very appreciated.
Posted: 8/7/2008 7:01:55 AM

P: 8/7/2008 7:09:11 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/7/2008 7:01:55 AM Author: nikmasteed Haha, no takers? Ive given all the info! Any opinions would be very appreciated. Sorry! Ok this diamond could indeed have potential, is it a diamond from an online vendor, or have you seen it in a store? If it is online, ask if you can get an Idealscope image for it. Also can you find out what the grade making inclusion is on this SI2 diamond please? If cloud/s are the reason this diamond is an SI2, then you would need to have it carefully evaluated to make sure it didn't have an adverse effect on the diamond, this is rare but possible. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/7/2008 7:09:11 AM

P: 8/8/2008 8:26:45 AM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	Yes, I've been talking with Whiteflash (Tracy) and they are bringing it in for me. So I should have an IS and magnified photo soon. The clouds and surface graining are not grade-makers. Grade-makers include feather, crystal, natural, needle, and cloud is also listed in the key but all marks on the plot seem pretty small. WF will be taking a look at it for me and I'll be sure to post images I get from them. Here is the GIA cert. A little hard to make out but as I said the plot doesnt seem that bad to me.
Posted: 8/8/2008 8:26:45 AM

P: 8/8/2008 8:30:14 AM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	Additionally what should I be looking for on the IS image? Something about even distribution of pink and white?
Posted: 8/8/2008 8:30:14 AM

P: 8/8/2008 8:36:14 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/8/2008 8:30:14 AM Author: nikmasteed Additionally what should I be looking for on the IS image? Something about even distribution of pink and white? This is a very basic tutorial on IS, but post the images when you get them, then we will try to help you. http://www.pricescope.com/idealscope_indx.asp More here - http://www.ideal-scope.com/using_reference_chart.asp Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/8/2008 8:36:14 AM

P: 8/11/2008 6:58:20 AM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	Here are images of the diamond! Ideal Scope first. What do you think?
Posted: 8/11/2008 6:58:20 AM

P: 8/11/2008 7:01:08 AM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	At 40x
Posted: 8/11/2008 7:01:08 AM

P: 8/11/2008 7:01:50 AM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	And Sarin
Posted: 8/11/2008 7:01:50 AM

P: 8/11/2008 7:04:40 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/11/2008 6:58:20 AM Author: nikmasteed Here are images of the diamond! Ideal Scope first. What do you think? I think it is lookin' good! What do you think? Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/11/2008 7:04:40 AM

P: 8/11/2008 8:39:51 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	The IS looks good. As :) pointed out, this one may lend itself a bit more toward white light return rather than fire, with the crown angle and table where they are. Some people prefer this look, nothing wrong with it per se. I'm not sure exactly what you are after. I would have Brian at WF look at it for you, he'll give a honest opinion. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/11/2008 8:39:51 AM

P: 8/13/2008 5:55:38 AM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	Thanks Lorelei and Ellen for your input, and to everyone else who posted! I decided to buy the diamond after WF saw it and told me it looked good to them as well! I'm not terribly picky about white light vs fire, as long as it is a well-performing diamond. Should be receiving it today, Can't wait! I'll be sure to post pictures once I have it in a setting and once it's on my girl's finger! Thanks!
Posted: 8/13/2008 5:55:38 AM

P: 8/13/2008 5:57:33 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/13/2008 5:55:38 AM Author: nikmasteed Thanks Lorelei and Ellen for your input, and to everyone else who posted! I decided to buy the diamond after WF saw it and told me it looked good to them as well! I'm not terribly picky about white light vs fire, as long as it is a well-performing diamond. Should be receiving it today, Can't wait! I'll be sure to post pictures once I have it in a setting and once it's on my girl's finger! Thanks! CONGRATS!!!! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/13/2008 5:57:33 AM

P: 8/13/2008 8:28:36 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Yay!! Please post hand pics if you can, we'd love to see them! And you're very welcome. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/13/2008 8:28:36 AM

P: 8/21/2008 6:20:53 AM
nikmasteed Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 8/29/2008 Member Since: 8/6/2008	Received the diamond last week and looks great!! I found myself looking at it whenever my girlfriend was not around and was thrilled with the light return! I felt a little nervous carrying it around on my person for 2-3 days, but I've finally had it verified and appraised, and the diamond now finally sits safely in my bank. Here is the setting I am planning on, I'm going for 18k white gold... http://www.whiteflash.com/golden-wardrobe/Gold_Details.aspx?ItemCode=ST6PW&CategID=13 I just need to send it back to WF to have them do the work for me. Any opinions of whether I should go 4- or 6-prong with this diamond?
Posted: 8/21/2008 6:20:53 AM

P: 8/21/2008 6:45:09 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/21/2008 6:20:53 AM Author: nikmasteed Received the diamond last week and looks great!! I found myself looking at it whenever my girlfriend was not around and was thrilled with the light return! I felt a little nervous carrying it around on my person for 2-3 days, but I've finally had it verified and appraised, and the diamond now finally sits safely in my bank. Here is the setting I am planning on, I'm going for 18k white gold... http://www.whiteflash.com/golden-wardrobe/Gold_Details.aspx?ItemCode=ST6PW&CategID=13 I just need to send it back to WF to have them do the work for me. Any opinions of whether I should go 4- or 6-prong with this diamond? I am so glad you are pleased with it! With the setting, it is a personal preference whether you go for 4 or 6 prongs. Some say that 6 prongs is more secure and makes the diamond look rounder, others prefer 4 prongs - so go with what you prefer. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/21/2008 6:45:09 AM

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