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Should I buy this 3 ct or keep looking? Need help ASAP!

P: 8/6/2008 12:02:03 PM
nycattny Rough Rock Total Posts: 30 Last Post: 8/8/2008 Member Since: 5/28/2008	So I finally found a contender and wanted some opinions from fellow pricescoppers. GIA cert 3.03 ct round brilliant 9.36-9.40 x 5.68 G SI2 cut = ex sym = ex pol = ex fl = none culet = none table = 57 depth = 60.6 crown = 33.5 degrees pavilion = 40.8 degrees I was able to get the price down to $36,111. My father looked at it under a scope and in various lighting settings and confirmed that it is "eye-clean" but under 10x magnification there are visible inclusions as expected and is definitely an SI2. In his opinion he said that to the naked eye you would not be able to tell the difference between this stone and a VS. Should I go for it or hold out to see if I can get a similar price on an H SI1. However, I was told that an H SI1 with similar characteristics (ideal cut, symm, pol, etc) would probably cost an extra $1000 for this size and I may not notice any difference in clarity. Please help!
Posted: 8/6/2008 12:02:03 PM

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P: 8/6/2008 12:19:05 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Since it's eyeclean, I would stay with the G! Looks like it should be a nice diamond, no red flags. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/6/2008 12:19:05 PM

P: 8/6/2008 12:37:44 PM
nycattny Rough Rock Total Posts: 30 Last Post: 8/8/2008 Member Since: 5/28/2008	Thanks for the prompt response. I am definitely leaning towards purchasing this one.
Posted: 8/6/2008 12:37:44 PM

P: 8/6/2008 4:47:05 PM
:) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,864 Last Post: 6/1/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2006	Call Whiteflash - they have it listed for $35461
Posted: 8/6/2008 4:47:05 PM

P: 8/7/2008 9:04:12 AM
nycattny Rough Rock Total Posts: 30 Last Post: 8/8/2008 Member Since: 5/28/2008	ideal rock- can you send me the link to the stone on whiteflash please? Thanks for the heads up!
Posted: 8/7/2008 9:04:12 AM

P: 8/7/2008 9:09:11 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,222 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/7/2008 9:04:12 AM Author: nycattny ideal rock- can you send me the link to the stone on whiteflash please? Thanks for the heads up! In case sweet :) can't pop back yet, here is the link. http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-1201341.htm Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/7/2008 9:09:11 AM

P: 8/7/2008 9:36:02 AM
nycattny Rough Rock Total Posts: 30 Last Post: 8/8/2008 Member Since: 5/28/2008	I am also considering this stone instead, http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?item_id=AA912468&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&network_id=0cf05810a0f83094f6e9972ef21cdd34. AGS cert ideal 3.01 H SI1 61.4% depth 58.3% table 41 degrees pavilion 34.9 degrees crown culet = o What do you think?
Posted: 8/7/2008 9:36:02 AM

P: 8/7/2008 9:41:14 AM
nycattny Rough Rock Total Posts: 30 Last Post: 8/8/2008 Member Since: 5/28/2008	I will be setting the stone in a yellow gold setting and was concerned that an H will not show as well as a G. Is this a legit concern or will the difference be unnoticeable whether it is G or H and I should worry more about clarity (i.e. SI1 vs. SI2)?
Posted: 8/7/2008 9:41:14 AM

P: 8/7/2008 9:54:23 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/7/2008 9:36:02 AM Author: nycattny I am also considering this stone instead, http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?item_id=AA912468&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&network_id=0cf05810a0f83094f6e9972ef21cdd34. AGS cert ideal 3.01 H SI1 61.4% depth 58.3% table 41 degrees pavilion 34.9 degrees crown culet = o What do you think? I think the crown and pavilion combo on the other one is safer. I'd go for that one myself, or, if you don't mind spending the money, have both sent to an independant appraiser and compare. G and H would both be fine in the setting. Cut is what you want to really focus on, as that's what makes the stone truly sparkle, and then of course if it's eyeclean. Good catch :) ! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/7/2008 9:54:23 AM

P: 8/7/2008 10:21:31 AM
nycattny Rough Rock Total Posts: 30 Last Post: 8/8/2008 Member Since: 5/28/2008	There is one more option, http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?search_type_id=4&action_type_id=2&item_id=AA912467&&3.00ct-H-SI1-Round-Brilliant-Cut-Diamond. AGS cert ideal 3.00 H SI1 61.6% depth 56.7% table 40.9 degrees pavilion 34.4 degrees crown culet = o I was told that this stone vs. the 3.01 GSI1 has a few more inclusions and, while the 3.01's inclusions are all white, some of the inclusions on the 3.01 are black. Nonetheless, i was told that both are eye-clean. Sorry to confuse things further. What do you think?
Posted: 8/7/2008 10:21:31 AM

P: 8/7/2008 10:30:07 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Just going on paper, I would place this one next to the first, hard to say. It could be better, or worse. We could give a lot better opinion if we had an IS pic and Sarin. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/7/2008 10:30:07 AM

P: 8/7/2008 10:31:58 AM
nycattny Rough Rock Total Posts: 30 Last Post: 8/8/2008 Member Since: 5/28/2008	Ellen- Do you know if I can request an IS pic from union diamond? I don't they don't actually have the stone in their possession.
Posted: 8/7/2008 10:31:58 AM

P: 8/7/2008 10:57:56 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	I don't "think" UD does IS pics, but I can't swear to that. But I know WF can give you that, and an ASET if you wanted. Yes, these are "virtual" stones, which means you can have any vendor call them in. I'd have WF bring it/them in myself. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/7/2008 10:57:56 AM

P: 8/7/2008 4:51:27 PM
:) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,864 Last Post: 6/1/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2006	Hi Lorelei!! Hi El! NY - just to be clear the stone price I listed is the price you get if you pay by wire - that is why the price listed on the link appears higher. If you do the PS your stone link at the top of the page (under prices) - that is where it gives you the prices that we find when looking through PS. ETA - UD used to not be able to do IS as El mentioned - I haven't checked lately though
Posted: 8/7/2008 4:51:27 PM

P: 8/8/2008 7:28:16 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,222 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/7/2008 4:51:27 PM Author: :) Hi Lorelei!! Hi El! NY - just to be clear the stone price I listed is the price you get if you pay by wire - that is why the price listed on the link appears higher. If you do the PS your stone link at the top of the page (under prices) - that is where it gives you the prices that we find when looking through PS. ETA - UD used to not be able to do IS as El mentioned - I haven't checked lately though Hi there L, we missed you!!! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/8/2008 7:28:16 AM

P: 8/8/2008 7:35:46 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/8/2008 7:28:16 AM Author: Lorelei Hi there L, we missed you!!! Yup, what she said! ny, any progress? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/8/2008 7:35:46 AM

P: 8/8/2008 9:52:27 AM
nycattny Rough Rock Total Posts: 30 Last Post: 8/8/2008 Member Since: 5/28/2008	Ellen- I am going to look at a G SI2 virtually identical to the one described in my first post tomorrow. From what I have been told, I will not be able to see the difference in clarity, without a loupe, between this stone and the SI1s i am considering and apparently the cut of the stone is fantastic. I will keep you posted after I see it. I will be setting the stone in a yellow gold (HW) setting which will be flanked by two pear shaped 1/3 carat stones. That is part of the reason I like the idea of a G color rather than H because I am afraid that the yellow setting might make impact the perception of the color of the stone. Additionally, my wife plans to wear it on the same finger as her wedding band which is an eternity band made of 14 G VS1 round brilliants, each 1/3 carat, set in yellow gold.
Posted: 8/8/2008 9:52:27 AM

P: 8/8/2008 10:27:03 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/8/2008 9:52:27 AM Author: nycattny Ellen- I am going to look at a G SI2 virtually identical to the one described in my first post tomorrow. From what I have been told, I will not be able to see the difference in clarity, without a loupe, between this stone and the SI1s i am considering and apparently the cut of the stone is fantastic. I will keep you posted after I see it. I will be setting the stone in a yellow gold (HW) setting which will be flanked by two pear shaped 1/3 carat stones. That is part of the reason I like the idea of a G color rather than H because I am afraid that the yellow setting might make impact the perception of the color of the stone. Additionally, my wife plans to wear it on the same finger as her wedding band which is an eternity band made of 14 G VS1 round brilliants, each 1/3 carat, set in yellow gold. Good deal. And the setting sounds beautiful! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/8/2008 10:27:03 AM

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