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P: 8/6/2008 11:06:12 AM
mgretch Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 8/6/2008 Member Since: 8/5/2008	Like so many others I've been a lurker here and am grateful for all the questions and answers everyone has posted. I thought I did my research well and bought a round brilliant diamond online but when it arrived and I took it into a jeweler to get it set for an ering she mentioned that it was "dark". I didn't notice this until she compared it to another diamond (granted, it cost more than twice as much) but it definitely was much darker when looking directely over the center of it. I guess I didn't expect this as the diamond has and excellent cut grade per GIA and when I put in the numbers in the cut advisor it was in the ideal area of the AGS too. Did I misread the numbers or is this just something that sometimes happens to diamonds? I'd appreciate your input as I still have 30 days to return the diamond (I was happy with it until it was compared to another diamond side by side). I guess I'm worried that once it is set it may only get darker. Round Brilliant H, SI1 .87ct Cut: Excellent Depth: 62.2% Table: 56% Crown Angle: 34.5 Crown Height: 15% Pavillion Angle: 40.8 Pavillion Depth: 43% Girdle: Med to STK Faceted: 4% Cutlet: none Polish: Ex Sym: Ex Flourescence: none Thanks for your advice and help. Matt
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:06:12 AM

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P: 8/6/2008 11:16:06 AM
MissGotRocks Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,603 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 6/23/2005	What were the specs of the diamond she compared it to?
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:16:06 AM

P: 8/6/2008 11:20:09 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Hi mg, Did the whole diamond go dark, or just the center? The first thing that came to my mind is, a very well cut stone will go dark in certain lighting situations, and jewelers lights are one of them. There's not a thing wrong in that instance, it's just what they do. As for the stones you were comparing to, a lesser cut stone won't do that, they'll just appear "nice and white". But that is only because it's not cut as well. So that could possibly be the reason. As for costing more, since you bought online, you paid a far lower price than you would possibly in a B&M, so that could explain that. Your stones specs look very nice, and very safe, I would imagine it's a lovely stone! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:20:09 AM

P: 8/6/2008 11:21:53 AM
mgretch Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 8/6/2008 Member Since: 8/5/2008	She brought out two diamonds to initially compare the color, one a J and one an F. Both weren't dark like mine but the one we kept comparing it to was the F which I believe she said was a VS1. I don't know if she was doing that to try and upsell me but I must say that it definitely shook my confidence in my purchase a bit.
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:21:53 AM

P: 8/6/2008 11:24:53 AM
mgretch Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 8/6/2008 Member Since: 8/5/2008	Ellen, I want to say that it seemed to be the whole diamond that went dark when looking directly over it but I must admit I was a bit nervous during the whole process so i may have just been the center. We were looking at it under their special light when she was showing it to me. Matt
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:24:53 AM

P: 8/6/2008 11:29:40 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,257 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Matt, how does it look in normal light, i.e around your home, outside etc? Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:29:40 AM

P: 8/6/2008 11:36:32 AM
mgretch Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 8/6/2008 Member Since: 8/5/2008	Lorelei, I thought it looked fine in both office light and outside and I guess that is the most important thing, not when comparing it to another diamond side by side. I guess I am just worried that I kinda blew it with the purchase. Matt
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:36:32 AM

P: 8/6/2008 11:39:10 AM
Kelli Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,581 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 5/27/2008	Sorry if this is a thread jack, but why would a well cut diamond go dark in jewelry store lighting? I thought they were supposed to be the best in ALL lighting, with the exception that they look dark in direct sunlight. If this is also the case in store lighting, then why are they considered "ideal" anyway? Sorry to be ignorant, just trying to understand, since I'm having my not so well cut one "fixed."
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:39:10 AM

P: 8/6/2008 11:41:23 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,257 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/6/2008 11:36:32 AM Author: mgretch Lorelei, I thought it looked fine in both office light and outside and I guess that is the most important thing, not when comparing it to another diamond side by side. I guess I am just worried that I kinda blew it with the purchase. Matt I don't think you did blow it Matt, the proportions of your diamond are great, now it could be perhaps that the diamonds you were comparing with had a different type of personality, maybe a larger table and perhaps a bit shallower, not cut as well as yours, but maybe they looked very bright and white for those reasons. Yet take them away from the jewellery store lighting, and you could notice obstruction issues, lack of fire etc, I am not saying this is the case with those diamonds as I can only guess and I am not an expert, but that it could be possible - and that yours would blow them away in those circumstances. What I would do if you would like another opinion, contact an independant appraiser in your area and get their professional opinion on your stone. That might really help! Here is a tool you can use to find an appraiser - http://www.pricescope.com/appr_list.aspx Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:41:23 AM

P: 8/6/2008 11:43:23 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/6/2008 11:24:53 AM Author: mgretch Ellen, I want to say that it seemed to be the whole diamond that went dark when looking directly over it but I must admit I was a bit nervous during the whole process so i may have just been the center. We were looking at it under their special light when she was showing it to me. Matt I have a feeling my instincts may be right here then. Did your stone sparkle though, and look maybe a bit firey? Why she said something could be for a couple reasons. One, she may just not be familiar with really well cut stones, believe it or not, there are still jewelers out there who aren't. Or, she could have been trying to make you feel unsure/badly about your stone, (in which case she succeeded ) so you'd return it and buy from her. That still goes on too unfortunately. I'm not saying that was her intent though. But either way, your stone sounds like it's well cut and doing what it should. If it would make you feel better, have an independant appraiser have a look at it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:43:23 AM

P: 8/6/2008 11:47:03 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/6/2008 11:39:10 AM Author: Kelli Sorry if this is a thread jack, but why would a well cut diamond go dark in jewelry store lighting? I thought they were supposed to be the best in ALL lighting, with the exception that they look dark in direct sunlight. If this is also the case in store lighting, then why are they considered 'ideal' anyway? Sorry to be ignorant, just trying to understand, since I'm having my not so well cut one 'fixed.' Hi Kelli, Here's one of many threads that sheds some light on it. Doing a search will get you more info if that is not enough. http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=79488 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:47:03 AM

P: 8/6/2008 11:51:05 AM
mgretch Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 8/6/2008 Member Since: 8/5/2008	Lorelei and Ellen, Thanks so much for your input on this and I feel a lot better about it knowing that it may be just the personality of my diamond. Even when it was dark it did seem to sparkle and have what I believe was fire. Once again thanks for the advice and knowledge. Matt
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:51:05 AM

P: 8/6/2008 11:52:53 AM
Kelli Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,581 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 5/27/2008	Thanks ellen!
Posted: 8/6/2008 11:52:53 AM

P: 8/6/2008 12:09:51 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/6/2008 11:51:05 AM Author: mgretch Lorelei and Ellen, Thanks so much for your input on this and I feel a lot better about it knowing that it may be just the personality of my diamond. Even when it was dark it did seem to sparkle and have what I believe was fire. Once again thanks for the advice and knowledge. Matt There ya go. Enjoy your diamond! And you are most welcome. Kelli, you are welcome too! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/6/2008 12:09:51 PM

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