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Is blue the only color for fluorescence? |
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| P: 7/24/2008 8:18:17 AM | |
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ButterBean Cut Rock Total Posts: 351 Last Post: 4/6/2009 Member Since: 9/26/2007 |
Is blue the only color for fluorescence? In comparing a number of stones, when I see "medium blue" and "medium" but no color indicated, does it mean the same thing? BB
"You just never know what tomorrow will bring!" |
| Posted: 7/24/2008 8:18:17 AM | |
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| P: 7/24/2008 8:26:51 AM | |
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Indira-London Cut Rock Total Posts: 307 Last Post: 9/14/2009 Member Since: 6/17/2008 |
Blue is not the only colour of fluorescence - it is merely the most common colour. "Medium" or "Faint" or "Stong" indicates the strength of fluorescence. Dr. Indira Marchant |
| Posted: 7/24/2008 8:26:51 AM | |
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ButterBean Cut Rock Total Posts: 351 Last Post: 4/6/2009 Member Since: 9/26/2007 |
WOW, Thanks! That's more info than I even hoped for. So, would you then assume that if a stone is graded to have some flouro, but NO color is indicated, it would be blue? Date: 7/24/2008 8:26:51 AM
Author: Indira-London Blue is not the only colour of fluorescence - it is merely the most common colour. 'Medium' or 'Faint' or 'Stong' indicates the strength of fluorescence. "You just never know what tomorrow will bring!" |
| Posted: 7/24/2008 10:49:52 AM | |
| P: 7/24/2008 10:54:39 AM | |
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Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Date: 7/24/2008 10:49:52 AM Author: ButterBean WOW, Thanks! That's more info than I even hoped for. So, would you then assume that if a stone is graded to have some flouro, but NO color is indicated, it would be blue? That is correct, if the color is not mentioned it is always blue. I have a treated blue with a garrish yellow fluorescence in a ring that I wear, looks horrible out of doors, but I have always enjoyed wearing it. Wink Wink Jones |
| Posted: 7/24/2008 10:54:39 AM | |
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Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
P.S. Indira's post had a LOT of excellent and pertinent information. Wink Jones |
| Posted: 7/24/2008 10:58:10 AM | |
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Indira-London Cut Rock Total Posts: 307 Last Post: 9/14/2009 Member Since: 6/17/2008 |
Thank you - glad to have helped. I had hoped I was not over the top on info - I am afraid that as a chemist, I find all these details fascinating!
Dr. Indira Marchant |
| Posted: 7/24/2008 4:20:58 PM | |
| P: 7/24/2008 5:24:23 PM | |
LovingDiamonds Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,672 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2008 |
A few weeks ago I had fun taking some photos of fluoresence. Here's a strong blue:
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| Posted: 7/24/2008 5:24:23 PM | |
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LovingDiamonds Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,672 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2008 |
Here's one that looks either yellow or green (probably more green) - I can't make up my mind!
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| Posted: 7/24/2008 5:25:29 PM | |
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glitterata Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,364 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/17/2002 |
Just for fun a few months back, I bought a .27 ct R color SI2 transition cut diamond on ebay, for something like $40. The seller did the grading; I have no idea how accurate the color grade is, but I'm inclined to trust it because, really, when you get that low, which direction would you lie in? Make it sound whiter than it really is? Make it sound closer to fancy yellow than it really is? And is the price difference between, say, a .27 R and a .27 T enough to make the lie worth telling? Anyway, the point is, the thing fluoresces yellow. It's adorable. The seller didn't make any note of the fluorescence, perhaps because yellow fluo is supposed to be the kiss of death. But to me it makes the diamond that much more fun. (Of course, if it were a big, expensive stone, I might feel differently.)
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| Posted: 7/24/2008 6:02:29 PM | |
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Circe Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,834 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/26/2007 |
LovingDiamonds, those are fantastic photos! How on earth did you achieve the effect of the first one? The stone's the only bit to look as though it's under the black light! I *wish* I could take such clear fluorescence shots: mine always look a little washed out from the blacklight ....
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| Posted: 7/24/2008 6:14:37 PM | |
| P: 7/31/2008 8:40:48 PM | |
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ButterBean Cut Rock Total Posts: 351 Last Post: 4/6/2009 Member Since: 9/26/2007 |
Date: 7/24/2008 10:54:39 AM Author: Wink Date: 7/24/2008 10:49:52 AM Author: ButterBean WOW, Thanks! That's more info than I even hoped for. So, would you then assume that if a stone is graded to have some flouro, but NO color is indicated, it would be blue? That is correct, if the color is not mentioned it is always blue. I have a treated blue with a garrish yellow fluorescence in a ring that I wear, looks horrible out of doors, but I have always enjoyed wearing it. Wink Thanks for your video on fluoro I found in the archives of "Wink TV" - I watched it this morning. Why have you stopped doing those, if I can ask? If you decide to start up again, I would tune in ... VERY good information! BB "You just never know what tomorrow will bring!" |
| Posted: 7/31/2008 8:40:48 PM | |
| P: 7/31/2008 11:52:54 PM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
In addition to all the lovely info - GIA found in 1997 study that less than 1% of diamonds they studied had fluoro other than blue
Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 7/31/2008 11:52:54 PM | |
| P: 8/1/2008 9:15:36 AM | |
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ButterBean Cut Rock Total Posts: 351 Last Post: 4/6/2009 Member Since: 9/26/2007 |
Really? So, if I was in the market for a fancy yellow (which I'm not) but happened to find one with either yellow or green fluoro, it would probably make for an AMAZING show!
"You just never know what tomorrow will bring!" |
| Posted: 8/1/2008 9:15:36 AM | |
| P: 8/1/2008 10:33:03 AM | |
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Fly Girl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,760 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 1/9/2007 |
Here is a shot of the fluor of my 1.5 F VS2 with medium blue fluor. The side stones are irradiated yellows, and the flur ranges from strong green to lighter green and orange. The earrings are both graded by the GIA as faint blue fluor. The strong green color on the one side is very noticable in sunlight, changing the yellow side stones to more of a green color. A fussy person probably wouldn't like the effect, but I think it is incredibly cool and wouldn't change a thing. I posted shots of my ring in daylight here, along with sunlight and another photo under the UV light. Link There are also photos of my chameleon diamond which has so much green fluor, it simply glows in the sunlight. ![]() ![]() ****** Life is a Journey, not a Destination. ****** |
| Posted: 8/1/2008 10:33:03 AM | |
| P: 8/1/2008 5:18:44 PM | |
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ButterBean Cut Rock Total Posts: 351 Last Post: 4/6/2009 Member Since: 9/26/2007 |
Flygirl, that's wonderful! Your little green pear is positively JUICY! Makes me think there may be one with my name on it down the road. But first ... Could I ask for more pics of your Ering stone, too? I would love to see what the medium blue looks like in all different lighting ... please? I do believe that mb is for me. ![]() Thanks! BB "You just never know what tomorrow will bring!" |
| Posted: 8/1/2008 5:18:44 PM | |
| P: 8/1/2008 6:04:58 PM | |
LovingDiamonds Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,672 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2008 |
Date: 7/24/2008 6:14:37 PM Author: Circe LovingDiamonds, those are fantastic photos! How on earth did you achieve the effect of the first one? The stone's the only bit to look as though it's under the black light! I *wish* I could take such clear fluorescence shots: mine always look a little washed out from the blacklight .... Thank you Circe. The diamond has a very strong fluor which I think helps! All I did was put a UV pen light in front of the ring and then took the picture one evening under low electric light. I'm not sure but it might be that I wasn't in a completely dark room? Not sure though! Hope this helps.
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| Posted: 8/1/2008 6:04:58 PM | |
| P: 8/2/2008 11:48:23 AM | |
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ButterBean Cut Rock Total Posts: 351 Last Post: 4/6/2009 Member Since: 9/26/2007 |
Lovingdiamonds, You are quite a photographer! Do you have any of your stone in sunlight or shade or cloudy day? I am very interested in all the different looks of these unique diamonds. Your is spectacular. BB "You just never know what tomorrow will bring!" |
| Posted: 8/2/2008 11:48:23 AM | |
| P: 8/2/2008 1:25:46 PM | |
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coatimundi_org Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,312 Last Post: 6/7/2009 Member Since: 12/9/2007 |
*just to add for fun* The Hope diamond fluoresces red--here's a photo. It it is also phosphorescent. The photo is from this article: http://www.geotimes.org/jan08/article.html?id=WebExtra011108.html I love fluorescence! ![]() Coati, G.G. |
| Posted: 8/2/2008 1:25:46 PM | |
| P: 8/3/2008 5:14:33 PM | |
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ButterBean Cut Rock Total Posts: 351 Last Post: 4/6/2009 Member Since: 9/26/2007 |
Coatimundi, Thanks for sharing that! I have never seen that photo before, or actually of red like that. Does your ering stone have fluor? The one in your avatar looks quite nice. BB "You just never know what tomorrow will bring!" |
| Posted: 8/3/2008 5:14:33 PM | |
| P: 8/3/2008 6:10:56 PM | |
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coatimundi_org Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,312 Last Post: 6/7/2009 Member Since: 12/9/2007 |
You're welcome! Fun topic--thanks for posting! I wish my rings had fluor, but neither do--bummer for me! My next stone certainly will. ![]() ![]() Coati, G.G. |
| Posted: 8/3/2008 6:10:56 PM | |
| P: 8/3/2008 6:33:52 PM | |
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glitterata Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,364 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/17/2002 |
Gotta love the Hope Diamond.
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| Posted: 8/3/2008 6:33:52 PM | |
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Fly Girl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,760 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 1/9/2007 |
Date: 8/1/2008 5:18:44 PM Thank you, ButterBean! Yes, that little green pear is my color change diamond. I love color change stones, and it is so amazing to wear. The color changes quite readily in different lighting situations.Author: ButterBean Flygirl, that's wonderful! Your little green pear is positively JUICY! Makes me think there may be one with my name on it down the road. But first ... Could I ask for more pics of your Ering stone, too? I would love to see what the medium blue looks like in all different lighting ... please? I do believe that mb is for me. ![]() Thanks! BB There are more pictures of my e-ring center stone here. Link There may be some fluor effect in the indoor shot with the sunlight hitting the diamond from behind. Most of the time, though, you won't see any effect from medium blue fluor. ****** Life is a Journey, not a Destination. ****** |
| Posted: 8/3/2008 7:18:50 PM | |
| P: 8/4/2008 1:18:08 AM | |
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DiamondExpert Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,243 Last Post: 6/20/2009 Member Since: 1/16/2003 |
I have found that GIA does not always indicate fluor color - stone on left is faint flour on cert, but yellow not indicated...the other stones, in sequence are med blue and faint blue...disregard reflections of UV bulb.![]() |
| Posted: 8/4/2008 1:18:08 AM | |
| P: 8/4/2008 9:22:11 AM | |
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ButterBean Cut Rock Total Posts: 351 Last Post: 4/6/2009 Member Since: 9/26/2007 |
Thanks, diamondexpert. I don't suppose you might have a comparison like that where they were in sun?? I guess I'm wondering what a stone with blue flour will look like, especially out in the sun. I have read where a few posters have said it turns a light blue, or lavender blue color. I would love to see what it looks like. The only stone with flour I have personally seen was at a local b&m. It was very cloudy and unattractive. So, although the black light effect is a novelty for sure, I am too old for nightclubbing, but WILL be out in the sun often. BB "You just never know what tomorrow will bring!" |
| Posted: 8/4/2008 9:22:11 AM | |
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arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,776 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008 |
Date: 8/4/2008 9:22:11 AM Author: ButterBean Thanks, diamondexpert. I don't suppose you might have a comparison like that where they were in sun?? I guess I'm wondering what a stone with blue flour will look like, especially out in the sun. I have read where a few posters have said it turns a light blue, or lavender blue color. I would love to see what it looks like. The only stone with flour I have personally seen was at a local b&m. It was very cloudy and unattractive. So, although the black light effect is a novelty for sure, I am too old for nightclubbing, but WILL be out in the sun often. BB Hey butterbean. Like you, many PS'ers are keen on the idea of fluor in their stones - after all, its really just another fun aspect to have in your stone! ![]() This may not be the best example, but here's a pic of my AGS med fluor in direct sunlight. As you mentioned, it turns a violet-ish colour. The stone that you mentioned at your local B&M is definately not the norm as far as PS-vendors and fluor stones go. I have never seen a pic of an oily/hazy stone, but I understand they are actually quite a rare occurence. There are many similiar pics of fluoro in sunlight in the SMTR threads if you are interested. ![]() ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran |
| Posted: 8/4/2008 9:42:48 AM | |
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Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006 |
Love all these flo shots! Here is vivian's M color stone with SB. ![]() ![]() ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| Posted: 8/4/2008 9:55:53 AM | |
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glitterata Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,364 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/17/2002 |
It's important not to confuse the effects of the fluorescence with simple reflections of the blue sky. Any diamond will reflect the blue sky. In my (limited) experience, fluorescence shows up as a more purply glow, not the pale blue of the reflected daytime sky. Perhaps someone with a strong blue fluorescent diamond and one the same color but without fluorescence can take a picture of them side by side in daylight?
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| Posted: 8/4/2008 12:19:35 PM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,221 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 8/4/2008 12:19:35 PM Author: glitterata It's important not to confuse the effects of the fluorescence with simple reflections of the blue sky. Any diamond will reflect the blue sky. In my (limited) experience, fluorescence shows up as a more purply glow, not the pale blue of the reflected daytime sky. Perhaps someone with a strong blue fluorescent diamond and one the same color but without fluorescence can take a picture of them side by side in daylight? Here is a pic which shows that from PSer Belle. The diamond below has no fluorescence. ![]() Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
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Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006 |
Date: 8/4/2008 12:19:35 PM I have a pair of studs I bought pre-PS that I've just thrown in the US. They are "supposed" to both be G (no certs, and I know now I got ripped off on the clarity, but they do seem the same color). One has SB and one doesn't. If I can get some good shots I'll post them.
Author: glitterata It's important not to confuse the effects of the fluorescence with simple reflections of the blue sky. Any diamond will reflect the blue sky. In my (limited) experience, fluorescence shows up as a more purply glow, not the pale blue of the reflected daytime sky. Perhaps someone with a strong blue fluorescent diamond and one the same color but without fluorescence can take a picture of them side by side in daylight? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006 |
So I took some shots of the studs today, and it proved interesting. I know the one is SB, as the IA verified it after putting it in the box, but try as I might, I couldn't really get it to show up much. That may go back to those threads on the location of the flo. This stones appearance is also affected by it, it's pretty easy to tell which is which, because the flo stone appears foggy/hazy. So it can be educational in that respect, this is NOT what you want your flo stone to look like! ![]() I did not have an actual appraisal done on these, I mainly took them in with my upgrade, to see if the clarity was what I thought they looked like (SI2), which was confirmed. So they are supposed to both be G, but it's not been verified. To be honest, I really didn't take as many as I normally would have, the heat index was 117, just a tad warm out there in the blazing sun. First one shows more than any of the others. (flo on right) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006 |
Flo on right, in bright daylight, on dirty patio table. ![]() ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| Posted: 8/4/2008 6:49:18 PM | |
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