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P: 9/7/2003 11:17:01 PM
Greatcall Rough Rock Total Posts: 68 Last Post: 1/13/2007 Member Since: 10/5/2002	I went to a website called diamondtalk.com. It portrays itself as a so called non bias and informative site. After viewing the some of the replies, it is clear that the people responding are PAID VENDORS. I would not recommend anyone to take the replies seriously. Someone should report them to the Trade Commission. THEY ARE NOTHING BUT A FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 9/7/2003 11:17:01 PM

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P: 9/7/2003 11:18:47 PM
Greatcall Rough Rock Total Posts: 68 Last Post: 1/13/2007 Member Since: 10/5/2002	One other thing. If you want to reply to their topics you have to supply them with your home address and a credit card. Yeah Right NON BIAS!!!!!!!!!! I don't think so!!!
Posted: 9/7/2003 11:18:47 PM

P: 9/7/2003 11:55:18 PM
Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,861 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001	LOL! There's alot of other things too. That site is a has-been GC. Rhino Rhino Good Old Gold
Posted: 9/7/2003 11:55:18 PM

P: 9/8/2003 12:01:30 AM
AGBF Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,036 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/26/2003	On 9/7/2003 11:55:18 PM Rhino wrote: "LOL! There's alot of other things too. That site is a has-been GC." Do tell, Jonathan. PS-One thing I DO miss about Diamond Talk is the icon with the halo. Lawmax let me have custody of I before I was banned, but now I don't have it anymore :-(. A Girl's Best Friend
Posted: 9/8/2003 12:01:30 AM

P: 9/8/2003 7:23:37 AM
NewYorker Cut Rock Total Posts: 249 Last Post: 10/17/2003 Member Since: 7/31/2003	AGBF - I love those 4 custom rings you had made - I was wondering if you could tell me the ebay seller's ID of the one you got the darker blue aquamarine from? Sorry to interupt your thread.... Tanya
Posted: 9/8/2003 7:23:37 AM

P: 9/8/2003 7:58:21 AM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	What gets me is that DT thinks no one knows how biased it really is. The consumer can see a wolf through sheep's clothing. We also have the power to vote w/ our pocketbook.
Posted: 9/8/2003 7:58:21 AM

P: 9/8/2003 8:09:12 AM
oldminer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,964 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 9/4/2000	You may all be right about DT. I stay out of the politics in these things. Anything I may post there is not paid advertising or biased by DT in any way. I think the site may well have a certain agenda, but the consumers there seem about the same as those here. Helping people is the way I have found that makes me happiest, too. David S. Atlas GG(GIA), ASG, Sr. Mbr. NAJA www.datlas.com
Posted: 9/8/2003 8:09:12 AM

P: 9/8/2003 8:15:50 AM
Greatcall Rough Rock Total Posts: 68 Last Post: 1/13/2007 Member Since: 10/5/2002	Sorry but to have paid vendors influence a consumers decision with supposed non bias advice is morally and ethically incorrect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The consumer thinks he/she is getting advice from other fellow consumers (who are supposedly non bias). THAT IS FRAUD!!!!!! I HOPE THAT CONSUMERS CAN READ THIS!!!! DIAMOND TALK IS A PAID SITE!!! DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 9/8/2003 8:15:50 AM

P: 9/8/2003 8:18:50 AM
Serg Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,505 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 3/22/2002	Old DT is deed unfortunately by reasons myopic policy of new sponsor New DT is boring, tedious, dull, for me. Sergey Sivovolenko CEO OctoNus
Posted: 9/8/2003 8:18:50 AM

P: 9/8/2003 9:47:21 AM
poopoojones Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 10/9/2003 Member Since: 7/25/2003	Aren't there quite a few Pricescope Vendors that post here? As helpful as they all are, I would consider that biased. Wouldn't you?
Posted: 9/8/2003 9:47:21 AM

P: 9/8/2003 9:50:22 AM
NewYorker Cut Rock Total Posts: 249 Last Post: 10/17/2003 Member Since: 7/31/2003	How could it be bias? They aren't trying to sell us anything (except an occassional Ideal scope - hee hee). They mostly just give us diamond facts. Tanya
Posted: 9/8/2003 9:50:22 AM

P: 9/8/2003 10:00:26 AM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	---------------- On 9/8/2003 9:47:21 AM poopoojones wrote: Aren't there quite a few Pricescope Vendors that post here? As helpful as they all are, I would consider that biased. Wouldn't you? ---------------- Difference is that Leonid doesn't ban the competition of the Pricescope vendors. He also does not ban those who stick up for non-Pricescope vendors. In other words, a point of view that may not match a paid advertiser view is permitted on this forum. BIG difference.
Posted: 9/8/2003 10:00:26 AM

P: 9/8/2003 10:17:04 AM
babblingal Cut Rock Total Posts: 343 Last Post: 6/2/2005 Member Since: 3/5/2003	Another difference is that I cannot imagine Leonid posting information he accessed WITHOUT permission on his site, then banning a bunch of members for having a private discussion and THEN humiliating them publicly and giving them no ability to rebute. I also believe that the members here would question that practice and wonder what was going on, not just say "oh they were evil because the moderator says so." Another difference is that Leonid communicates with his members and I don't believe he would ban a person without first discussing it with that person. Right Leonid? Also, maybe this thread should be moved to Hangout? Or maybe the other place? Babs "Remember, your most important legacy is the honor and integrity of your life." Docking
Posted: 9/8/2003 10:17:04 AM

P: 9/8/2003 10:30:58 AM
Greatcall Rough Rock Total Posts: 68 Last Post: 1/13/2007 Member Since: 10/5/2002	Yes there are the same vendors in Diamondtalk. My suggestion would be anytime a vendor is responding to a post it should be clearly identified under their name. This would identify consumers from vendors. I know it is very difficult to implement. This type of fraduelent misrepresentation has to stop. If it doesn't, there will be thousands of vendors setting up fictitious sites and calling themselves forums (which they really really are not). Maybe Leonid should look into this. thank you for your time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 9/8/2003 10:30:58 AM

P: 9/8/2003 10:43:45 AM
Rank Amateur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,547 Last Post: 5/5/2009 Member Since: 2/26/2003	---------------- On 9/8/2003 8:15:50 AM Greatcall wrote: Sorry but to have paid vendors influence a consumers decision with supposed non bias advice is morally and ethically incorrect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The consumer thinks he/she is getting advice from other fellow consumers (who are supposedly non bias). THAT IS FRAUD!!!!!! I HOPE THAT CONSUMERS CAN READ THIS!!!! DIAMOND TALK IS A PAID SITE!!! DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---------------- You are over-reacting here. Professionals can give fair opinions even when a few $$ are at stake. You can't exclude everyone in the industry due to the fact that they have a vested interest in the industry. Even when I was brand-new to the internet diamond-buying scene I could still separate most of the wheat from the chaff. If you don't read everything on the 'net with a very critical eye, then you are a fool and you and your money will be soon parted.
Posted: 9/8/2003 10:43:45 AM

P: 9/8/2003 10:48:50 AM
Greatcall Rough Rock Total Posts: 68 Last Post: 1/13/2007 Member Since: 10/5/2002	I Really dont think think anyone can be FAIR when there are PROFITS AND $$$ involved. The year is 2003.
Posted: 9/8/2003 10:48:50 AM

P: 9/8/2003 11:03:23 AM
poopoojones Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 10/9/2003 Member Since: 7/25/2003	Competition tends to keep people 'fair'. If one vendor tries to mislead a customer, there are competitors here that can speak to that. I think that it is important to keep in mind that when you are reading responses from vendors, that they have a financial interest in their response. I also think that the best way that you can usually tell how honest or dishonest a vendor might be is how open they are about who they are when they are telling you what they think. Most of the vendors here have their business name in their signatures so you know who they are when they are telling you what they think.
Posted: 9/8/2003 11:03:23 AM

P: 9/8/2003 11:04:15 AM
Rank Amateur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,547 Last Post: 5/5/2009 Member Since: 2/26/2003	If you won't learn from anyone with a $$ intrest in the diamond industry, from whom will you learn? Chatroom participants with nicks like "Rank Amateur"?
Posted: 9/8/2003 11:04:15 AM

P: 9/8/2003 11:12:51 AM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	---------------- On 9/8/2003 113:23 AM poopoojones wrote: Competition tends to keep people 'fair'. If one vendor tries to mislead a customer, there are competitors here that can speak to that. ---------------- Which is exactly my point about DT. If you eliminate the competition (specifically other diamond dealers), then one must question the validity of responses on a "sponser only" forum like DT.
Posted: 9/8/2003 11:12:51 AM

P: 9/8/2003 11:30:53 AM
Hest88 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,670 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/22/2003	Ah DT, how far you have fallen...
Posted: 9/8/2003 11:30:53 AM

P: 9/8/2003 3:14:39 PM
aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002	---------------- On 9/8/2003 10:30:58 AM Greatcall wrote: My suggestion would be anytime a vendor is responding to a post it should be clearly identified under their name Maybe Leonid should look into this. ---------------- Greatcall, I think this already happens.....at least it does here. I think Leonid requires it (although I cannot swear to that). Nearly every vendor here posts with their company affiliation, company website, or both as part of their signature line. Many of them get involved in threads that have no potential return for them just to help the customer. Most of the vendors here on PS are VERY careful not to skew the spirit of this board. If you have reason to doubt that, I'd be interested to hear the facts that cause you to disagree. _____________________ Note: Chainsaw Not Sold Separately.
Posted: 9/8/2003 3:14:39 PM

P: 9/10/2003 1:50:48 PM
winyan Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,144 Last Post: 11/1/2006 Member Since: 5/9/2003	AGBF You mean the attached icon? win "... (Corporations) have all the benefits of voters, without the guidance of a conscience. ... Corporations they will bring this country down." Theodore Roosevelt 1904
Posted: 9/10/2003 1:50:48 PM

P: 9/10/2003 4:43:29 PM
AGBF Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,036 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/26/2003	On 9/10/2003 1:50:48 PM winyan wrote: "You mean the attached icon?" Where did you find my halo!? Give it back!!! Deb A Girl's Best Friend
Posted: 9/10/2003 4:43:29 PM

P: 9/10/2003 4:45:29 PM
Rank Amateur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,547 Last Post: 5/5/2009 Member Since: 2/26/2003	nya nya na nya nya
Posted: 9/10/2003 4:45:29 PM

P: 9/10/2003 4:53:23 PM
AGBF Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,036 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/26/2003	May you be blessed with as many new babies as those halos you posted, R/A. And may they ALL be in diapers at once :-). Deb, whose youngest is 11!!! A Girl's Best Friend
Posted: 9/10/2003 4:53:23 PM

P: 9/10/2003 5:09:13 PM
winyan Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,144 Last Post: 11/1/2006 Member Since: 5/9/2003	Deb, I attached the file to my post, you should be able to right click on it and download it to your 'puter! I got it off DT, of course, grin have fun! win "... (Corporations) have all the benefits of voters, without the guidance of a conscience. ... Corporations they will bring this country down." Theodore Roosevelt 1904
Posted: 9/10/2003 5:09:13 PM

P: 9/12/2003 12:29:57 AM
derekinla Cut Rock Total Posts: 467 Last Post: 6/16/2005 Member Since: 9/8/2003	Is it frowned upon (here) to post on both DT and PS? Or should you only really post on one of these sites? Can one really be a dedicated DT'er and PS'er at the same time and still be true to him or herself? Derek in Los Angeles
Posted: 9/12/2003 12:29:57 AM

P: 9/12/2003 6:03:43 AM
AGBF Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,036 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/26/2003	On 9/12/2003 12:29:57 AM derekinla wrote: "Is it frowned upon (here) to post on both DT and PS? Or should you only really post on one of these sites? Can one really be a dedicated DT'er and PS'er at the same time and still be true to him or herself? " Wow! That's some heavy pondering for 70 am! DT will let you post there as well as here as long as you don't get too uppity there (asking uncomfortable questions and such). Leonid will let you post wherever you want. You must post wherever you can get the information and the friendship that you want. Hope I covered all bases! A Girl's Best Friend
Posted: 9/12/2003 6:03:43 AM

P: 9/12/2003 8:15:01 AM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	Actually, some people were banned for posting unkind things about DT on other diamond forums. I don't know if they are still doing that.
Posted: 9/12/2003 8:15:01 AM

P: 9/12/2003 9:10:35 AM
AGBF Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,036 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/26/2003	On 9/12/2003 8:151 AM fire&ice wrote: "Actually, some people were banned for posting unkind things about DT on other diamond forums. I don't know if they are still doing that." You're right. I decided not to mention that because I had forgotten to whom it happened and I didn't think Diamond Talk was acting quite as paranoid now as they were then :-). Deb A Girl's Best Friend
Posted: 9/12/2003 9:10:35 AM

P: 9/12/2003 1:20:05 PM
aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002	---------------- On 9/12/2003 12:29:57 AM derekinla wrote: Can one really be a dedicated DT'er and PS'er at the same time and still be true to him or herself? ---------------- Of course one can. Do you shop exclusively at one gas station? Do you patronize more than one theater? Do you visit more than one public park? Do museum patrons donate to only one museum, or more than one? Can people parent more than one child? Dedication or loyalty doesn't require exclusivity. If you can make meaningful contributions to both forums, there is no reason not to. Up to this point, I do cannot recall ANY internet venue whose terms of use require a potential member to forsake all similar/competing venues. And if they did.....I'd decline membership. _____________________ Note: Chainsaw Not Sold Separately.
Posted: 9/12/2003 1:20:05 PM

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