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P: 4/25/2008 8:28:47 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	I have a 2.123 I-SI1 "A Cut Above". Perfection. HCA 1.0, perfect light return/fire/scintillation balance. As I wanted a "mind"-clear VVS diamond, a little bigger and with more (yes, more) body color, I decided to contact Whiteflash. Lesley, so friendly and so FAST, called on the diamond that I liked and 1 day later, today, I already receive pictures! Whiteflash customer service rocks! And they don't hesitate 1 second when talking about upgrade policy. Brian called me, he gave an objective and honnest opinion on this diamond. God what a pleasure to talk with Brian! First I will attach a picture of my 2.123 I-SI1 as reminder. After that, pictures talking about my new baby. Don't hesitate to comment my crazy decision, it won't hurt me. Stephan
Posted: 4/25/2008 8:28:47 PM

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P: 4/25/2008 8:36:43 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Here is the new one: Stephan
Posted: 4/25/2008 8:36:43 PM

P: 4/25/2008 8:38:14 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Sarin Stephan
Posted: 4/25/2008 8:38:14 PM

P: 4/25/2008 8:39:12 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Idealscope Stephan
Posted: 4/25/2008 8:39:12 PM

P: 4/25/2008 8:42:07 PM
Fly Girl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,765 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/9/2007	Any reason not to go with a cleaner ACA? Can't they cut one for you? **** Life is a Journey, not a Destination. ****
Posted: 4/25/2008 8:42:07 PM

P: 4/25/2008 8:43:41 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	... and the Whiteflash picture! Stephan
Posted: 4/25/2008 8:43:41 PM

P: 4/25/2008 8:46:52 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 4/25/2008 8:42:07 PM Author: Fly Girl Any reason not to go with a cleaner ACA? Can't they cut one for you? Hi Fly Girl, I also wanted a warmer color, and ACA are cut so well that my "I" color looks perfectly white to me. In the new diamond, the light return isn't as good as on the ACA, and it clearly has body color. Stephan
Posted: 4/25/2008 8:46:52 PM

P: 4/25/2008 8:51:35 PM
butterfly 17 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,162 Last Post: 11/10/2009 Member Since: 8/18/2005	Hey QueenMum, I guess I am joining your club. I wanted something bigger and found an H SI1 2.50 that I am trading in my 2.03 G VS1 ACA diamond for. I guess great minds think alike!!! Congrats on the diamond. "Buy what you like to please yourself, not to impress anyone else." "Maybe I am just dense, or maybe it just doesn't matter." -MKM
Posted: 4/25/2008 8:51:35 PM

P: 4/25/2008 9:29:34 PM
the rube Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,934 Last Post: 10/15/2009 Member Since: 10/22/2007	...I don't get it. You have a perfect diamond, but you want to upgrade for one that's less perfect? ........................ You say you want diamonds in a ring of gold...but all I want is you...
Posted: 4/25/2008 9:29:34 PM

P: 4/25/2008 9:32:52 PM
wawatu Rough Rock Total Posts: 63 Last Post: 10/28/2008 Member Since: 3/24/2008	do you not like the cut on the 2.03 carat? it looks like a great diamond. is 2.5 carat that much bigger ? sometimes by changing the setting, the ring will look bigger. F,VS sounds fantastic amers
Posted: 4/25/2008 9:32:52 PM

P: 4/25/2008 9:58:38 PM
butterfly 17 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,162 Last Post: 11/10/2009 Member Since: 8/18/2005	Date: 4/25/2008 9:32:52 PM Author: wawatu do you not like the cut on the 2.03 carat? it looks like a great diamond. is 2.5 carat that much bigger ? sometimes by changing the setting, the ring will look bigger. F,VS sounds fantastic Hey Amers, I am not sure if you were asking me or QueenMum, but I think it was me since I have the 2.03, so to answer your questions- I love the cut on my ACA, I actually had a chance to chose between a 2.4 I VS2 ACA and a 2.5 H SI1 and I went with the H because I felt it was noticeably whiter, plus it scored a 1.1 on the HCA, while the I scored a 1.8. I prefer it when the diamond is closer to 1. My 2.03 scored 1.1 as well. Also, the day that the stone came in, the vendor increased the price by $2K for the H, but since I was quoted the lower price from the beginning, I am still getting it for the lower price, so it's almost like I am getting it for a bargain. I don't know if 2.5 is that much bigger, but I always wanted something around the 2.36 mark, so when I found this diamond and the numbers looked great, it just seemed right. I originally planned to trade for a 2.73 H SI2, but was unsure about the inclusions . WF was so nice and let me take my time, but then the vendor had another buyer for it and I felt that if I was so hesitant to get it from the beginning, it meant that it really was not meant for me. So, I let it go. Now I found this other diamond instead. BTW, I have changed my setting a total of 3 times and the 2 carat still doesn't look big to me. I didn't want to keep changing the setting hoping to get a larger look, and I realized that it was actually going to cost me less for a larger diamond than a brand new setting, that I may or may not change again in the future. Last, but not least, it is a G, not an F. "Buy what you like to please yourself, not to impress anyone else." "Maybe I am just dense, or maybe it just doesn't matter." -MKM
Posted: 4/25/2008 9:58:38 PM

P: 4/26/2008 12:25:26 AM
Asscherhalo_lover Ideal Rock Total Posts: 572 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2007	i don't know queen mum, for me, i really love the precision and pattern of an H&A diamond...i don't quite like the pattern of the new stone. however, if it makes your heart pitter patter when you see it, then it's perfect! mmmm...diamonds.....
Posted: 4/26/2008 12:25:26 AM

P: 4/26/2008 1:07:11 AM
ImpatientOne Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,187 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/19/2006	Date: 4/26/2008 12:25:26 AM Author: Asscherhalo_lover i don't know queen mum, for me, i really love the precision and pattern of an H&A diamond...i don't quite like the pattern of the new stone. however, if it makes your heart pitter patter when you see it, then it's perfect! I agree. The idealscope on the new stone looks funky to me, as does the picture! Your current stone is gorgeous. Personally, I couldn't go from an Ideal Cut to a Very Good cut with such a large table. I guess I would have to see it in person before I'd make that leap... The bottom line, though, is you're the one that has to be happy with it!!! ImpatientOne
Posted: 4/26/2008 1:07:11 AM

P: 4/26/2008 1:23:52 AM
angeline Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,942 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 7/23/2006	Date: 4/25/2008 9:58:38 PM Author: butterfly 17 Date: 4/25/2008 9:32:52 PM Author: wawatu do you not like the cut on the 2.03 carat? it looks like a great diamond. is 2.5 carat that much bigger ? sometimes by changing the setting, the ring will look bigger. F,VS sounds fantastic Hey Amers, I am not sure if you were asking me or QueenMum, but I think it was me since I have the 2.03, so to answer your questions- I love the cut on my ACA, I actually had a chance to chose between a 2.4 I VS2 ACA and a 2.5 H SI1 and I went with the H because I felt it was noticeably whiter, plus it scored a 1.1 on the HCA, while the I scored a 1.8. I prefer it when the diamond is closer to 1. My 2.03 scored 1.1 as well. Also, the day that the stone came in, the vendor increased the price by $2K for the H, but since I was quoted the lower price from the beginning, I am still getting it for the lower price, so it's almost like I am getting it for a bargain. I don't know if 2.5 is that much bigger, but I always wanted something around the 2.36 mark, so when I found this diamond and the numbers looked great, it just seemed right. I originally planned to trade for a 2.73 H SI2, but was unsure about the inclusions . WF was so nice and let me take my time, but then the vendor had another buyer for it and I felt that if I was so hesitant to get it from the beginning, it meant that it really was not meant for me. So, I let it go. Now I found this other diamond instead. BTW, I have changed my setting a total of 3 times and the 2 carat still doesn't look big to me. I didn't want to keep changing the setting hoping to get a larger look, and I realized that it was actually going to cost me less for a larger diamond than a brand new setting, that I may or may not change again in the future. Last, but not least, it is a G, not an F. Ummmm, slight thread-jack alert... sorry QueenMum... butterfly, do you have a link to your stone? It sounds quite interesting
Posted: 4/26/2008 1:23:52 AM

P: 4/26/2008 3:32:29 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,787 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Sorry Queenmum, but I will have to agree with the others - this is not a decision I would make personally, but hey If yoiu've seen the stone and love it then good for you! Personally, I would just go down to a J or even a K ideal cut if you're aim is more body colour..I too love the warmer stones, I purchased an ideal I and you're right, there's not a hint of warmth to it..But I don't think I could sacrifice cut for that... 'm not great at these but the IS looks bit strange? What did Brian say out of interest? Either way, if you're happy then thats what counts ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 4/26/2008 3:32:29 AM

P: 4/26/2008 4:41:24 AM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Thank your for all your opinions! Date: 4/25/2008 9:29:34 PM Author: tberube ...I don't get it. You have a perfect diamond, but you want to upgrade for one that's less perfect? We all agree it's less perfect in it's optical symmetry, but it's still decent. My ACA is perfectly balanced, even with very diffuse lighting, it's still glowing. Today, I'm making a compromise. I am loosing some light return (mostly because of head obstruction), but I win some spread and body color. I also think this diamond is quite unique, and Brian, who already met me once and knows my taste, think I will like this diamond. Stephan
Posted: 4/26/2008 4:41:24 AM

P: 4/26/2008 4:47:41 AM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 4/25/2008 9:32:52 PM Author: wawatu do you not like the cut on the 2.03 carat? it looks like a great diamond. is 2.5 carat that much bigger ? sometimes by changing the setting, the ring will look bigger. F,VS sounds fantastic I love the cut of my 2.123 ACA, it is a great diamond. I live near Antwerp in Belgium, and I'm sure that only 1/1000 diamond or even less is cut as perfectly. I just want something warmer and a little bigger. I don't want to change the settings because: 1) I prefer to spend the money on the diamond. 2) I love the setting I have. 3) Being a man, I can't buy a thinner ring that would make the diamond look bigger. And a smaller setting won't be manly anymore. Stephan
Posted: 4/26/2008 4:47:41 AM

P: 4/26/2008 4:55:38 AM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 4/26/2008 12:25:26 AM Author: Asscherhalo_lover i don't know queen mum, for me, i really love the precision and pattern of an H&A diamond...i don't quite like the pattern of the new stone. I also love the H&A pattern, but I never saw it with normal light conditions when I wear it. Can you see 8 black arrows when wearing a H&A? But I agree that, even if I don't see the pattern when wearing my diamond, I can feel the precision with my naked eye. Date: 4/26/2008 12:25:26 AM Author: Asscherhalo_lover however, if it makes your heart pitter patter when you see it, then it's perfect! Yes, it does! This stone reminds me of one of the first diamonds that I had, and a lot of good memories. Stephan
Posted: 4/26/2008 4:55:38 AM

P: 4/26/2008 5:04:46 AM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 4/26/2008 1:07:11 AM Author: ImpatientOne I agree. The idealscope on the new stone looks funky to me, as does the picture! Yes it does, and I love it. There are some topics on Pricescope about shallow diamonds and head obstruction. Date: 4/26/2008 1:07:11 AM Author: ImpatientOne I couldn't go from an Ideal Cut to a Very Good cut with such a large table. The table is smaller than 60%, not a big deal for me. The difference between Sarin (59.2%) and GIA (58%) is big, but I don't worry because Brian didn't see anything suspicious. And I really trust in Brian. I love the look of 58%-60% tables. Stephan
Posted: 4/26/2008 5:04:46 AM

P: 4/26/2008 5:10:46 AM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 4/26/2008 3:32:29 AM Author: arjunajane I'm not great at these but the IS looks bit strange? What did Brian say out of interest? Either way, if you're happy then thats what counts Thank you arjunajane! The big amount of black in this IS is caused head obstruction. It's difficult to tell everything Brian told me when he called, but the global idea was "It's not the kind of diamonds I would wear, but I know you and I think you will be happy with it, this diamond is not a bad diamond." Stephan
Posted: 4/26/2008 5:10:46 AM

P: 4/26/2008 5:54:54 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Stephan, you are a well educated buyer of some years who knows what he wants and prefers. who also understands any potential trade offs that may be made. Even non superideal diamonds can be beautiful!!! I wish you lots of luck with your new baby! Out of interest, is this diamond re - upgradable? Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 4/26/2008 5:54:54 AM

P: 4/26/2008 7:11:10 AM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 4/26/2008 5:54:54 AM Author: Lorelei Stephan, you are a well educated buyer of some years who knows what he wants and prefers. who also understands any potential trade offs that may be made. Even non superideal diamonds can be beautiful!!! I wish you lots of luck with your new baby! Out of interest, is this diamond re - upgradable? Thank you Lorelei! Yes, I think the diamond will be re-upgradable, even I don't think about that right now. Stephan
Posted: 4/26/2008 7:11:10 AM

P: 4/26/2008 7:17:53 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,787 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Date: 4/26/2008 5:10:46 AM Author: QueenMum Date: 4/26/2008 3:32:29 AM Author: arjunajane I'm not great at these but the IS looks bit strange? What did Brian say out of interest? Either way, if you're happy then thats what counts Thank you arjunajane! The big amount of black in this IS is caused head obstruction. It's difficult to tell everything Brian told me when he called, but the global idea was 'It's not the kind of diamonds I would wear, but I know you and I think you will be happy with it, this diamond is not a bad diamond.' Thankyou for the detailed reply and explanations - I know we all love ideal cuts, but different strokes is still well and good! I haven't spoken to Brian, but from all I've read I'm sure you're right in trusting his opinion. Love to see how it looks when you get it! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 4/26/2008 7:17:53 AM

P: 4/26/2008 7:42:54 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Stephan, I hope you love your new stone! And I think it would be really interesting and educational if you did a review of the two stones, and gave your observations on the differences in performance. You are in the unique position of personally observing two totally different cuts. If you are so inclined. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 4/26/2008 7:42:54 AM

P: 4/26/2008 7:45:10 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 4/26/2008 7:42:54 AM Author: Ellen Stephan, I hope you love your new stone! And I think it would be really interesting and educational if you did a review of the two stones, and gave your observations on the differences in performance. You are in the unique position of personally observing two totally different cuts. If you are so inclined. I think that is a great idea if you wouldn't mind Stephan! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 4/26/2008 7:45:10 AM

P: 4/26/2008 9:45:21 AM
butterfly 17 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,162 Last Post: 11/10/2009 Member Since: 8/18/2005	Date: 4/26/2008 1:23:52 AM Author: angeline Ummmm, slight thread-jack alert... sorry QueenMum... butterfly, do you have a link to your stone? It sounds quite interesting Hey angeline, I really didn't want to post it here, sorry to hijack Stephan, until I actually got it. But here is a linky to the diamond- http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-832405.htm I probaby won't get it for at least two or three weeks anyway. "Buy what you like to please yourself, not to impress anyone else." "Maybe I am just dense, or maybe it just doesn't matter." -MKM
Posted: 4/26/2008 9:45:21 AM

P: 4/26/2008 3:36:51 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Hey angeline, I really didn't want to post it here, sorry to hijack Stephan, until I actually got it. But here is a linky to the diamond- http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-832405.htm I probaby won't get it for at least two or three weeks anyway. Ellen & Lorelei, I will try to do that in an objective way. Butterfly17, don't worry, you don't hijack me. Here is the link to my ACA. Stephan
Posted: 4/26/2008 3:36:51 PM

P: 4/26/2008 7:28:43 PM
angeline Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,942 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 7/23/2006	Date: 4/26/2008 9:45:21 AM Author: butterfly 17 Date: 4/26/2008 1:23:52 AM Author: angeline Ummmm, slight thread-jack alert... sorry QueenMum... butterfly, do you have a link to your stone? It sounds quite interesting Hey angeline, I really didn't want to post it here, sorry to hijack Stephan, until I actually got it. But here is a linky to the diamond- http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-832405.htm I probaby won't get it for at least two or three weeks anyway. thanks Butterfly - end of threadjack!
Posted: 4/26/2008 7:28:43 PM

P: 4/26/2008 11:08:48 PM
*DiamondDana** Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,172 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2006	Congratulations on your new stone! Have you posted pictures of your setting in the past? If so, I cannot remember what it looks like and would love to see it! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you judge people, you have no time to love them ~Mother Teresa
Posted: 4/26/2008 11:08:48 PM

P: 4/27/2008 2:48:44 AM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 4/26/2008 11:08:48 PM Author: Diamond*Dana Congratulations on your new stone! Have you posted pictures of your setting in the past? If so, I cannot remember what it looks like and would love to see it! Here you are! Stephan
Posted: 4/27/2008 2:48:44 AM

P: 4/27/2008 6:01:07 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,254 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 4/26/2008 3:36:51 PM Author: QueenMum Hey angeline, I really didn't want to post it here, sorry to hijack Stephan, until I actually got it. But here is a linky to the diamond- http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-832405.htm I probaby won't get it for at least two or three weeks anyway. Ellen & Lorelei, I will try to do that in an objective way. Butterfly17, don't worry, you don't hijack me. Here is the link to my ACA. Stephan, we would really appreciate it, thank you! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 4/27/2008 6:01:07 AM

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