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Anyone know about MSID diamonds? |
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| P: 4/25/2008 3:06:50 PM | |
Ty Cobb Cut Rock Total Posts: 119 Last Post: 9/18/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2007 |
http://www.robbinsbros.com/msid/default.asp That is the link to the diamonds. Any one in the industry know anything about what they are claiming?
Disclaimer: The above comments are the deranged thoughts of a hopeless romantic who has been brainwashed by celluloid dreams in the form of Sabrina, Breakfast at Tiffany's, Father of the Bride, My Fair Lady, and other horrendously trashy happy ending nonesense filled movies. If you are offended by them, you take yourself way too seriously and need to be locked in a room with the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and lots of helium |
| Posted: 4/25/2008 3:06:50 PM | |
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| P: 4/25/2008 4:47:30 PM | |
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,145 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
there are other diamonds that max out Gemex. hated the amateur presentation.
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| Posted: 4/25/2008 4:47:30 PM | |
| P: 5/2/2008 6:44:00 PM | |
ediemk Rough Rock Total Posts: 2 Last Post: 5/6/2008 Member Since: 5/2/2008 |
I actually bought an MSID diamond from Robbins Brothers about 2 weeks ago. I am contemplating taking it back after researching prices on this site and weighing the benefits of the "lifetime promise." I'm not sure that it is worth the premium you pay for it. The diamond, however, is gorgeous. I absolutely love it and am hesitant to part with it. I compared it to other stones side by side, and it does appear larger. I'll post a pic sometime later.
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| Posted: 5/2/2008 6:44:00 PM | |
| P: 5/2/2008 8:37:39 PM | |
denverappraiser Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,614 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2004 |
As far as I remember, I’ve never seen one but I did take a few minutes to look over their patent (6,990.833). I’m really surprised that they granted this. What they do that’s different from everyone else seems to be limited to a 23-30 degree crown and the related changes in the upper girdle and star facets. Am I missing something? Ok, it’s got a slightly flat crown. That’s unique enough to grant a patent? People have been cutting flat spready stones for decades. What’s different here? Here's another one that got a patent with the revolutionary idea of being spready on BOTH the crown and pavilion. Neil Beaty GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA Professional Appraisals in Denver There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile. |
| Posted: 5/2/2008 8:37:39 PM | |
| P: 5/3/2008 4:54:31 PM | |
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004 |
Date: 4/25/2008 3:06:50 PM Old news???Author:Ty Cobb http://www.robbinsbros.com/msid/default.asp That is the link to the diamonds. Any one in the industry know anything about what they are claiming?  Prior art at its highest element??? 
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| Posted: 5/3/2008 4:54:31 PM | |
| P: 5/4/2008 1:24:10 AM | |
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
This is hilarious. Anyone who has been involved with the US patent office knows by know it is a little like a headless chicken. Here is the actual patent http://www.google.com/patents?id=KCB3AAAAEBAJ&dq=faceted+circular+cut+diamond It describes a BIC diamond that HCA predicted some 2 years before. The stone is a traditional round brilliant with a shallow crown (25 to 27 degrees) and has a slightly deep pavilion (40.7-42 degrees) - this makes a spreadier cut with greater light return at the expense of fire. The extra weight saving comes from a thin girdle (1-3%) which is a chipping / durability disaster in a shallow crown angled diamond for a ring - but great for earrings and pendants. HCA stops at 28 degrees and raises warnings on thinner girdled diamonds as the crown angle gets lower. These stones would be dinged by HCA and any reasonable appraiser for usage in rings. Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 5/4/2008 1:24:10 AM | |
| P: 5/4/2008 1:46:53 AM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
Date: 5/2/2008 8:37:39 PM
Author: denverappraiser As far as I remember, I’ve never seen one but I did take a few minutes to look over their patent (6,990.833). I’m really surprised that they granted this. What they do that’s different from everyone else seems to be limited to a 23-30 degree crown and the related changes in the upper girdle and star facets. Am I missing something? Ok, it’s got a slightly flat crown. That’s unique enough to grant a patent? People have been cutting flat spready stones for decades. What’s different here? Here's another one that got a patent with the revolutionary idea of being spready on BOTH the crown and pavilion. i have seen some of what these people are doing Neil and it is very interesting. A lot of their focus is on very small pave stones Neil Beaty GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA Professional Appraisals in Denver Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 5/4/2008 1:46:53 AM | |
| P: 5/6/2008 6:09:58 AM | |
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003 |
Date: 5/4/2008 1:24:10 AM Even if the girdle is thick enough?
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) HCA stops at 28 degrees and raises warnings on thinner girdled diamonds as the crown angle gets lower. These stones would be dinged by HCA and any reasonable appraiser for usage in rings. Stephan |
| Posted: 5/6/2008 6:09:58 AM | |
| P: 5/6/2008 7:59:51 AM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
Date: 5/6/2008 6:09:58 AM Check out the ultra thin girdle on their comparsions on the website QM
Author: QueenMum Date: 5/4/2008 1:24:10 AM Even if the girdle is thick enough?Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) HCA stops at 28 degrees and raises warnings on thinner girdled diamonds as the crown angle gets lower. These stones would be dinged by HCA and any reasonable appraiser for usage in rings. Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 5/6/2008 7:59:51 AM | |
| P: 5/6/2008 9:16:58 AM | |
oldminer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,964 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 9/4/2000 |
There is nothing new here, but the patent office seems to have rubber stamped something which was already known and potentially available for years. The cut is "different" from a standard configuration, but just what GH has been telling us all about for quite a few years already. The MSID name is really a funny: "Mr. Smith's Incredible Diamond". Smith is a name commonly used as a ficticious name. It very much fits the part it plays in what is being offered. Buy it "if you love it" still applies. Pay a fair price and no one will have much to criticize. Apparently the MSID stone has a very nice appearance. David S. Atlas |
| Posted: 5/6/2008 9:16:58 AM | |
| P: 5/6/2008 9:18:46 AM | |
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denverappraiser Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,614 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2004 |
The girdle measurement is described as a minimum, not a range or maximum, so the razor thin girdle isn’t required, it seems to be an option (and I agree it’s an undesirable one). In the patent they curiously measure girdle thickness as a ratio of the diameter, not of depth. Odd, but maybe that’s part of their ‘invention’ that allowed them to convince the patent examiner to grant the thing in the first place. Neil Beaty GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA Professional Appraisals in Denver There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile. |
| Posted: 5/6/2008 9:18:46 AM | |
| P: 5/6/2008 4:05:26 PM | |
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ediemk Rough Rock Total Posts: 2 Last Post: 5/6/2008 Member Since: 5/2/2008 |
I took the diamond back!! Went to Whiteflash and compared to ACA Hearts and Arrows. The MSID didn't stand a chance! It was amazing the difference in the brilliance. I think it's kind of funny now that I thought it was so pretty before. It looked absolutely dark and lifeless next to Brian Gavin's H&A diamonds. Word to the wise...don't ever buy one of these unless you never plan on seeing another diamond in your life. :) --A soon-to-be very satisfied ACA Hearts and Arrows owner
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| Posted: 5/6/2008 4:05:26 PM | |
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