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16.5ct and other rough diamonds

P: 4/12/2008 1:18:16 AM
RoninRoss Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/12/2008	Hi everyone. My father passed away recently and I inherited a rough diamond collection he had. I grew up in South Africa and I had seen these rough diamonds among the already cut diamonds my mother had and I know for a fact they are real. Back then it was illegal to own rough diamonds in South Africa and maybe that is why my father never did anything with them all these years. One of these was in an envelope on its own with 16.5ct marked on the envelope. All the rest are of a variety if shapes, sizes and colors. The larger 16.5ct stone is opaque and yellowish and I know that it is hard to tell the true color and clarity of a stone if it is not polished on some side of it to allow one to see inside unless it is in crystal form. Is it possible for me to polish one or two sides myself? I would like to post an image of all the stones I now have in my possession which I may even do tonight and maybe get an idea if any are worth getting cut or even sold as is. Thank you RoninRoss
Posted: 4/12/2008 1:18:16 AM

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P: 4/12/2008 1:27:29 AM
SanDiegoLady Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,233 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 7/6/2005	Unless you are a cutter I suggest you not cut these diamonds in any way. You wont ever know what you've got unless you have them looked at by a qualified gemologist and appraised. Take them to someone trusted. If you provide a ballpark location, I am quite sure that someone here will steer you in the right direction.. but.. in the meantime, dont hurt those babies!!! Sounds like a lovely treasure.
Posted: 4/12/2008 1:27:29 AM

P: 4/12/2008 1:28:12 AM
Gypsy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,306 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 8/9/2005	You need an appraiser. A good INDEPENDANT one, who is familar with evaluating and appraising rough diamonds. Where are you located?
Posted: 4/12/2008 1:28:12 AM

P: 4/12/2008 3:27:53 AM
rogeshoe57 Rough Rock Total Posts: 98 Last Post: 4/19/2008 Member Since: 4/4/2008	Have any pictures? Roger
Posted: 4/12/2008 3:27:53 AM

P: 4/12/2008 12:39:11 PM
RoninRoss Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/12/2008	Here is a quick scan image of all the diamonds I have. The one next to the dime is the 16ct one the rest are smaller. I will be taking individual pictures with better light and detail but please let me know what you think these would be worth even as industrial quality due to the size. Thank you for any information or opinions. Ross
Posted: 4/12/2008 12:39:11 PM

P: 4/12/2008 12:41:39 PM
rogeshoe57 Rough Rock Total Posts: 98 Last Post: 4/19/2008 Member Since: 4/4/2008	Wow that's a beautiful collection! Thank you for sharing! Roger
Posted: 4/12/2008 12:41:39 PM

P: 4/12/2008 12:43:36 PM
Love in Bloom Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,535 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 3/31/2007	RR, that is one of the coolest things I have ever seen! Thank you for posting, and I'm very interested in what an independent appraiser has to say... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When the axe came into the forest, the trees said the handle is one of us. -bumper sticker
Posted: 4/12/2008 12:43:36 PM

P: 4/12/2008 3:54:08 PM
triple Rough Rock Total Posts: 28 Last Post: 4/23/2008 Member Since: 3/8/2008	Hi, This is a very happy story! I hope you have found a lost treasure! Please let us know how it turns out. Triple
Posted: 4/12/2008 3:54:08 PM

P: 4/12/2008 5:45:06 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Everyone we need too be real careful here: 1: rough diamonds are against the PS rules. 2: with the blood diamond issue and the kimberly process and the possible punishments no one in the trade in their right mind is going too want too touch these. 3: while the poster may be legit who knows in this day and age. It would be very very uncommon for someone too have that amount of rough diamonds and be legit and add in the somewhat cloudy story I urge extreme caution. To the OP is you are legit then I apologize but this is a very very touchy subject both in the trade and with law enforcement. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 4/12/2008 5:45:06 PM

P: 4/12/2008 6:15:24 PM
RoninRoss Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/12/2008	My cloudy story as you put it is legit and painting all those like me that may have some rough diamonds with the broad "blood diamond" brush is very unfair of you but I accept your apology. These stones have been in my family for over 40 years and I am just looking to educate myself so that I do not get ripped off. If the discussion of rough diamonds is indeed against the PS rules then a PS mediator should let me know. Thanks anyway. RR
Posted: 4/12/2008 6:15:24 PM

P: 4/12/2008 7:05:42 PM
LegacyGirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,757 Last Post: 1/15/2009 Member Since: 11/16/2007	Wow nice collection!
Posted: 4/12/2008 7:05:42 PM

P: 4/12/2008 7:25:13 PM
DiamondExpert Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,243 Last Post: 6/20/2009 Member Since: 1/16/2003	Your average appraiser, independent or not, is not likely to be an expert in diamond rough. You would be better off having them examined by an honest expert in the field (assuming you are in the US) like Ken Glasser in La Vegas - www.diamondrough.com ...I hope that discussing diamond rough is not against the PS rules, but if it is it's, in my opinion, ill advised, short sighted and hurts the consumer. Gary www.diamondexpert.com
Posted: 4/12/2008 7:25:13 PM

P: 4/12/2008 7:48:50 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	hmmm I just checked and the section on rough diamonds and man-made stones is missing from the current rules. They have been there for years since we had the rush of scammers pushing rough back around the time I first joined PS. Andrey will have too clarify this. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 4/12/2008 7:48:50 PM

P: 4/12/2008 7:58:00 PM
denverappraiser Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,615 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2004	Very cool collection. Thanks for sharing. Are you in the US? I second Garys suggestion of talking with Ken Glasser. This is very much a specialized field and the vast majority of jewelry appraisers havent a clue how to approach it. Whatever paperwork you have to document the 40 years of family history will be very helpful in persuading a potential buyer that youre legit. The world has changed in the last 40 years and documenting provenance is now just part of the deal. Neil Beaty GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA Professional Appraisals in Denver There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile.
Posted: 4/12/2008 7:58:00 PM

P: 4/12/2008 8:46:27 PM
DiamanteBlu Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,474 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 7/12/2005	Wow, how cool are those?!? Love the collection! ============================ Blu "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, 1759
Posted: 4/12/2008 8:46:27 PM

P: 4/13/2008 7:44:56 AM
Paul-Antwerp Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,911 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/3/2002	RR, Although Storm sometimes chooses very 'rough' words, the matters he raises are very important ones. Even though, your case may be absolutely legit, you have ended up in a situation of illegality. Now, your diamonds are not 'blood diamonds', but they are definitely 'untouchable'. Since a few years, with the introduction of the Kimberley Process, rough diamonds are either KP-compliant or they are not. At the point in time of the introduction of the Process, anyone (mostly diamond dealers) could declare their stock of rough diamonds, and these were automatically considered KP-compliant. As you or your father probably did not declare your stock, these stones are now outside of the Kimberley Process, and I do not think that there is a way of getting them into it. As such, Storm is absolutely right in stating that no legitimate diamond dealer or cutter will want to touch these stones. Doing that would risk allegations of trading in blood diamonds (indeed), money laundering and as a result terrorist-financing. Nobody in his right mind will take this risk. Of course, others here have a gemolical curiosity in rough diamonds, but I personally would not even risk taking a look at these stones. Just to clarify to you how difficult your current situation is. Other than that, from the pics, I do not see really nice material. Maybe, by louping it, they will prove to be better quality than at a first glance, but do not expect that you have a valuable treasure there. Illegal yes, valuable question mark. Sorry for the harsh words, but it is essential that somebody warns you about your true situation. Live long, Paul Slegers Infinity Diamonds www.CraftedByInfinity.com
Posted: 4/13/2008 7:44:56 AM

P: 4/13/2008 8:00:54 AM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,582 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	I am afraid I weigh in on the side of caution also. I suggest you do whatever you can to document the origin of the diamonds. Anyone who will help you who is honest and less likely to rip you off will want to know the stones are legit. It is the way it is now. Our industry is accused of all sorts of things, but enabling the sale of illicit rough diamonds will not wash these days. A lot of NGO's make out it still happens all the time, but I have had experiances that indicate to me that the best way to become persona non gratia in our game is to have a suspicion levelled against you. I am not a rough expert, but it does seem the goods could come from 1 source. And SA seems reasonable from my limited experiance. That should go in your favour as other than stolen and smuggled (to avoid export tax) rough, there has not been conflict associated with these stones. Storm I think you are correct - the rough rule was probably removed as everyone here is so vigilante anyway. I think you have enough expets opinions now, if you want to contact any directly they may be able to advise you further. Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 4/13/2008 8:00:54 AM

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