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Should i go ahead and buy this....comments pls

P: 4/11/2008 8:32:15 PM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-51646.htm# Thanks everyone in advance
Posted: 4/11/2008 8:32:15 PM

There are 36 replies to this message. There are 30 replies on this page.

P: 4/11/2008 8:38:52 PM
Deelight Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,079 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/4/2007	I personally would not go such a high clarity as your really paying for something that you can't see You could easily drop to a VS2 or even an SI range and still have a beautiful diamond that preforms well and is still clear and beautiful :). Did you have a particular reason for wanting such a high clarity? __________________________________________________________ Sometimes if your really lucky all your dreams do come true ...............
Posted: 4/11/2008 8:38:52 PM

P: 4/11/2008 8:58:00 PM
swingirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,282 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 4/6/2006	I'm another one who says a little lower in clarity and you get more for your money. I'd rather have a larger stone or less expensive stone with a teeny tiny inclusion than a VVS1. But you can't go wrong with WF ACA.
Posted: 4/11/2008 8:58:00 PM

P: 4/11/2008 8:58:10 PM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	2 reasons for high quality 1. I am asian and everyone i know goes for VVS quality. 2. Even when i drop to VS, the price doesn't go down much, so i thought of buying VVS at around same price of VS i could find in VS was... http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4090/ http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-608072.htm
Posted: 4/11/2008 8:58:10 PM

P: 4/11/2008 9:08:25 PM
Deelight Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,079 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/4/2007	Fair enough reasoning there :) I did find one in the VS clarity that is slightly larger but around the same price :) but if the high clarity is important to you I would stick with it :) 1.21 I VS2 __________________________________________________________ Sometimes if your really lucky all your dreams do come true ...............
Posted: 4/11/2008 9:08:25 PM

P: 4/11/2008 9:27:13 PM
marcyc Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,812 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 2/27/2007	It looks like a real beauty to me. Sparkle On My Friends!
Posted: 4/11/2008 9:27:13 PM

P: 4/11/2008 9:27:26 PM
NeverEndingUpgrade Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,536 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 10/3/2007	Both of those GOG diamonds look great. But then, so does the Whiteflash one. Just out of curiosity, how would anyone really know if you went down in clarity? When you are looking at diamonds that are cut so ideally, the clarity really takes a back seat, especially since it is a detail you can't even see (color being more noticeable). How bad would it be to break out of the mold?
Posted: 4/11/2008 9:27:26 PM

P: 4/11/2008 9:36:44 PM
swingirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,282 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 4/6/2006	The one you picked is a beauty. If it has the color and clarity you are looking for, it's perfect. The cut is gorgeous, the numbers are great. Everything is ideal. I think you found yourself a stone!! The GOG is a tiny bit bigger and less expensive but they are both beautiful stones. Either one would be a good choice.
Posted: 4/11/2008 9:36:44 PM

P: 4/11/2008 10:06:38 PM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	Thanks everyone for your comments. does the stone look good on HCA?
Posted: 4/11/2008 10:06:38 PM

P: 4/11/2008 10:12:32 PM
jewelrychic1 Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/9/2008	The diamond is lovely, but is an I color the best you can get? I know clarity is important to you, but where does color lie on the important meter? "Jewelry is my obsession"
Posted: 4/11/2008 10:12:32 PM

P: 4/11/2008 10:18:40 PM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	Date: 4/11/2008 9:27:26 PM Author: NeverEndingUpgrade Both of those GOG diamonds look great. But then, so does the Whiteflash one. Just out of curiosity, how would anyone really know if you went down in clarity? When you are looking at diamonds that are cut so ideally, the clarity really takes a back seat, especially since it is a detail you can't even see (color being more noticeable). How bad would it be to break out of the mold? I understand VVS cannot be seen, but you know how people are...they just ask color and clarity, noone asks about cut and as i said i am asian , i don't want the LOOKS on someone face if i buy VS and they say oh..its VS , look at mine its VVS ....you know what i mean.........
Posted: 4/11/2008 10:18:40 PM

P: 4/11/2008 10:20:55 PM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	Date: 4/11/2008 10:12:32 PM Author: jewelrychic1 The diamond is lovely, but is an I color the best you can get? I know clarity is important to you, but where does color lie on the important meter? I wish i could atleast get G, but this is my streched budget....going to H is $ 1000+ and G is $ 2500+
Posted: 4/11/2008 10:20:55 PM

P: 4/11/2008 10:46:26 PM
NeverEndingUpgrade Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,536 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 10/3/2007	I guess I have never had anyone ask me what clarity my diamond is! I suppose you could say anything, they would have no way of knowing for sure. Hopefully, they won't ask you to take the ring off and then pull out a loupe and inspect the diamond at 10x magnification! Personally, I would not care what other people think if the diamond pleased me. I would be the one wearing it. I have an SI1 that is so well cut, the light return trumps all.
Posted: 4/11/2008 10:46:26 PM

P: 4/11/2008 10:54:36 PM
jewelrychic1 Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/9/2008	Oh I see... Well, I think it's a beautiful stone. But I have to ask, is the cut on this stone good? Cut I think is the most important thing. If it looks good face up, then who cares what anybody else thinks. You will make the best decision. Go with your gut. Nite... "Jewelry is my obsession"
Posted: 4/11/2008 10:54:36 PM

P: 4/11/2008 11:01:59 PM
NeverEndingUpgrade Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,536 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 10/3/2007	Maag, Chic1 is right. Cut is #1. You said no one ever asks about the cut. That is because the average consumer is taught to consider color and clarity first. This is due to the fact that your average diamond retail store is selling poorly cut diamonds. I am so glad I discovered GoodOldGold.com and NiceIce.com so that I could learn how important cut is. In the future, the question your friends will be asking is, "How is the cut rated?" You are looking at an ACA diamond, so you have no worries about the cut!
Posted: 4/11/2008 11:01:59 PM

P: 4/12/2008 1:05:10 AM
rogeshoe57 Rough Rock Total Posts: 98 Last Post: 4/19/2008 Member Since: 4/4/2008	Maag. I'm asian also, and I returned a 1.21 Blue Nile Signature H VVS2 and just bought a 1.37 H&A F SI1 from GOG instead for a lower cost. I cannot say how much more happier I am with the better bigger GOG cut diamond. I can't even find the inclusions with the 10x Loop. The majority of your friends will never ask what type of clarity it is because that's just rude and if they ask just say you aren't sure. The only thing I think majority of your girl friends care about is how big is it and how it looks nice. They will not ask anymore questions than that. So I would give up clarity/color for cut/size. Just my opinion. Roger
Posted: 4/12/2008 1:05:10 AM

P: 4/12/2008 9:59:11 AM
cwj Cut Rock Total Posts: 366 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 2/18/2008	I'm not asian, but the only thing anybody has every asked me is the size. In a well cut stone I don't think that the avg person could tell the difference between the clarity grades unless there was something awful going on. imo
Posted: 4/12/2008 9:59:11 AM

P: 4/12/2008 10:02:50 AM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	I would also rather have a G or H VS stone than an I VVS stone. The color is more apparent to the eye than clarity will be. ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 4/12/2008 10:02:50 AM

P: 4/12/2008 11:21:24 AM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	Thanks everyone for all the advice.....i guess i should look more and find a better color, might have to drop down in clarity due to budget but as everyone says...it will not matter to go down in clarity.
Posted: 4/12/2008 11:21:24 AM

P: 4/12/2008 11:40:08 AM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	Can anyone tell me why is this stone priced so high.....not that i am considering buying this but its not even ACA, still its priced more than ACA http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-55053.htm# is there something very good about this stone which apparently i am not able to understand. I found almost similar stone priced about $ 2K less http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-680228.htm# should i be giving thought to any of these stones considering both are not ACA
Posted: 4/12/2008 11:40:08 AM

P: 4/12/2008 1:02:48 PM
angeline Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,942 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 7/23/2006	Date: 4/12/2008 11:40:08 AM Author: maag Can anyone tell me why is this stone priced so high.....not that i am considering buying this but its not even ACA, still its priced more than ACA http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-55053.htm# is there something very good about this stone which apparently i am not able to understand. I found almost similar stone priced about $ 2K less http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-680228.htm# should i be giving thought to any of these stones considering both are not ACA The second has a cut grade of only 'Very Good' compared to the first with cut grade of 'Excellent'. The second also has strong fluorescence and the first has none. Both things usually would mean a lower cost for the second.
Posted: 4/12/2008 1:02:48 PM

P: 4/12/2008 1:10:23 PM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	angeline.. thanks for reply should i be giving thought to any of the two stones (specially 2nd one), considering both are not ACA, wanted to know if it will be a good buy in my budget, i can get good color and clarity . I know its not ACA but is that a big NEGATIVE for the stone. Other experts....please comment and help me decide. Thanks everyone.
Posted: 4/12/2008 1:10:23 PM

P: 4/12/2008 2:06:16 PM
MC Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,814 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 2/8/2003	Date: 4/12/2008 1:05:10 AM Author: rogeshoe57 The majority of your friends will never ask what type of clarity it is because that's just rude and if they ask just say you aren't sure. The only thing I think majority of your girl friends care about is how big is it and how it looks nice. They will not ask anymore questions than that. So I would give up clarity/color for cut/size. Just my opinion. One of my husband's relatives asked me the clarity of my first pair of earrings. . .another person I know asked to see my eng. ring and then proceded to hold it up into the light and look at it for inclusions! Never underestimate the rudeness of people you know! Regardless of those experiences though, I still decided to go for SI1s for my current earrings and then got a VS2 for my pendant. All three are impecably cut and the SIs look fabulous. Since they're only .41 each, I saved just a few hundred by getting SIs, but for a bigger diamond, there is NO WAY I'd buy a VS! I'd rather have a higher color stone.
Posted: 4/12/2008 2:06:16 PM

P: 4/12/2008 2:15:19 PM
jewelrychic1 Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/9/2008	I'm not necessarily an expert at reading certs, but the only thing I can assume is that the cut of one is better than the other. I know flourescence is important but don't know how much influence on the price. I might sound stupid for saying this but, what does ACA mean? Is this a type of certification? I've just never heard of it. Besides, this is a little above your budget, right? "Jewelry is my obsession"
Posted: 4/12/2008 2:15:19 PM

P: 4/12/2008 2:22:32 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 4/12/2008 1:10:23 PM Author: maag angeline.. thanks for reply should i be giving thought to any of the two stones (specially 2nd one), considering both are not ACA, wanted to know if it will be a good buy in my budget, i can get good color and clarity . I know its not ACA but is that a big NEGATIVE for the stone. Other experts....please comment and help me decide. Thanks everyone. I would pass on the second diamond, it is cut deep and is facing up smaller than it should. A 1 carat round should hit about 6.5mm diameter, this one is coming up short. The first diamond looks good and well worth consideration! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 4/12/2008 2:22:32 PM

P: 4/12/2008 2:48:41 PM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	Date: 4/12/2008 2:15:19 PM Author: jewelrychic1 I'm not necessarily an expert at reading certs, but the only thing I can assume is that the cut of one is better than the other. I know flourescence is important but don't know how much influence on the price. I might sound stupid for saying this but, what does ACA mean? Is this a type of certification? I've just never heard of it. Besides, this is a little above your budget, right? Sorry for ACA...I meant A cut above(as mentioned on whiteflash), didn't know its not commenly used. The first one (not the original post) is not in my budget. The original post one and 2nd one from the alternate post would fit in my budget. The original post was I color and the 2nd one is G, so i am just thinking is it well worth moving from a cut above (ACA) to very good and geting G instead of I.
Posted: 4/12/2008 2:48:41 PM

P: 4/12/2008 2:55:44 PM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	Date: 4/12/2008 2:22:32 PM Author: Lorelei The first diamond looks good and well worth consideration! Thanks Lorelei for the comment. did you mean the original post stone or this one http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-55053.htm moving from the original stone i posted to this one will get me G instead of I, but i am not sure how much would the stone performance affected considering the original one is a cut above and this is excellent cut.
Posted: 4/12/2008 2:55:44 PM

P: 4/12/2008 3:00:23 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 4/12/2008 2:55:44 PM Author: maag Date: 4/12/2008 2:22:32 PM Author: Lorelei The first diamond looks good and well worth consideration! Thanks Lorelei for the comment. did you mean the original post stone or this one http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-55053.htm moving from the original stone i posted to this one will get me G instead of I, but i am not sure how much would the stone performance affected considering the original one is a cut above and this is excellent cut. Yes, the diamond above is definitely worth considering! The diamond in your first post is also a possibility, it depends on whether you would rather have a branded ACA and I colour, or the very nicely cut G above, depends on what you value the most. Either should be excellent performers and the layperson would probably not be able to tell a lot of difference - if any - between them for sparkle. What I would do, is to ask the folk at WF which one might be the best for my purposes, and get them to talk me through each stone. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 4/12/2008 3:00:23 PM

P: 4/12/2008 3:09:58 PM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	Yes, the diamond above is definitely worth considering! The diamond in your first post is also a possibility, it depends on whether you would rather have a branded ACA and I colour, or the very nicely cut G above, depends on what you value the most. Thanks Lorelei for quick reply. Does not having branded ACA affects stone performance, or this nicely cut could perform equally well, if the stone performance is not much affected then i would prefer better colour.
Posted: 4/12/2008 3:09:58 PM

P: 4/12/2008 3:20:31 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 4/12/2008 3:09:58 PM Author: maag Yes, the diamond above is definitely worth considering! The diamond in your first post is also a possibility, it depends on whether you would rather have a branded ACA and I colour, or the very nicely cut G above, depends on what you value the most. Thanks Lorelei for quick reply. Does not having branded ACA affects stone performance, or this nicely cut could perform equally well, if the stone performance is not much affected then i would prefer better colour. Basically, the non ACA diamond is what is called an Expert Selection, very often they have just missed being awarded the ACA title by a hair. For example, the hearts and arrows pattern may be slightly off in some way, or the hearts may not be quite perfect, various things, in other words, these are often very fine diamonds, but don't quite meet the criteria to be considered an ACA. To the buyer, this can mean they can get a great diamond which still performs superbly. These can be a good choice, particularly if you aren't concerned with having the ACA pedigree. So if you would rather have the higher colour, then this might be a good way for you to go. This link explains the differences between ACA and Expert Selection. http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds_info/t/all_about.aspx?articleid=127&zoneid=22 I would suggest contacting WF, and telling one of their representatives your thoughts, they will be able to advise you on what might be the best approach. I have worked with Lesley at WF, she is fabulous, but all the folk at WF have a great reputation and will be delighted to give you their best advice. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 4/12/2008 3:20:31 PM

P: 4/12/2008 3:24:00 PM
maag Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 4/12/2008 Member Since: 4/11/2008	Thanks Lorelei. I will contact WF.
Posted: 4/12/2008 3:24:00 PM

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