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Importance of Cutlet on a Cushion?

P: 3/16/2008 5:54:39 PM
glloyd77 Rough Rock Total Posts: 38 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 2/20/2008	I am wondering how important the size of the cutlet is on a cushion. I am looking at a cushion diamond as follows: Cushion Brilliant 7.64x7.05x4.19 1.70 carat F VS2 VG - Polish VG - Symmetry Fluor - None Girdle - Med. to Thick faceted Cutlet - Large (GIA report, gemologist believes closer to medium) Table - 59% Depth - 59.4% Other Comments - crown angles greater than 40 degrees, additional clouds not shown The diamond looks great and I like all the other characteristics of the stone, but I have read not to buy something with a large cutlet. Does anyone have any thoughts? Thanks!
Posted: 3/16/2008 5:54:39 PM

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P: 3/16/2008 6:01:15 PM
Addy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,915 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 10/20/2007	I believe this is a matter of personal preference. There's a thread in the SMTR form right now with a cushion that has a medium culet. Myself, I like the look. What do you think?
Posted: 3/16/2008 6:01:15 PM

P: 3/16/2008 6:08:48 PM
glloyd77 Rough Rock Total Posts: 38 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 2/20/2008	I am buying it online so I have not seen it in person. The picture I received via email looks great but you know how that goes.
Posted: 3/16/2008 6:08:48 PM

P: 3/16/2008 6:30:34 PM
CrookedRock Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,738 Last Post: 6/8/2009 Member Since: 5/8/2007	This is def an issue of personal preference. I personally don't prefer a large looking culet, to me it can give the effect of a hole in the stone. Someone actually called me an anti-culite in another thread... That being said, I do understand why some people prefer it bc of the antique look it gives a stone. Keep in mind that the cert grading of this may not be how you really see it. I recently looked at one that was slightly large on the cert, but in person it was barely visible. You really have to see it in person or good pics. The stone I just got has a small culet, but Leon said he would have called it medium... To me it's just a nice small rectangle in the center. By the way.... That looks like a great stone! Is it a cushion brilliant? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Posted: 3/16/2008 6:30:34 PM

P: 3/16/2008 7:48:42 PM
surfgirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,438 Last Post: 5/19/2009 Member Since: 4/5/2007	lloyd, it's a personal preference but having an "open culet", which is what you're referring to, tends to come on those cushions with more of an antique style cut because that's how the old antique stones were cut. The open culet is usually not really noticeable until one gets to a certain size but, if the stone is well cut, it's well cut and an open culet wont take away anything, I know mine certainly doesn't detract from my stone's performance. You can get a really cool effect called the "kozibe effect" and it's when you get reflections of the open culet refracted all around your stone. It's very cool. If you do a search on it, you'll find a bunch of threads with some great photos of that unique phenomenon. You really should look at the different cushions out there at a local B&M just so you can see the difference. It will make buying one online a lot easier for you.
Posted: 3/16/2008 7:48:42 PM

P: 3/16/2008 8:55:46 PM
glloyd77 Rough Rock Total Posts: 38 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 2/20/2008	It is a cushion brilliant. They are asking just over $15k. Do you think that is a good price?
Posted: 3/16/2008 8:55:46 PM

P: 3/16/2008 8:55:59 PM
pauly1 Cut Rock Total Posts: 381 Last Post: 3/6/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2007	I agree, as everyone has pointed out it's totally a personal preference. Just one word of advice, don't read to much into the lab report when it comes to size. The GIE report lists the stone I bought as slightly large, but I would have called it medium when I viewed it in person. Good luck, sounds like a really pretty stone.
Posted: 3/16/2008 8:55:59 PM

P: 3/16/2008 9:24:26 PM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,859 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	Date: 3/16/2008 8:55:46 PM Author: glloyd77 It is a cushion brilliant. They are asking just over $15k. Do you think that is a good price? cushions are a crazy stone and can vary stone to stone etc. however, just plugging your specs into the search most in the size range, F, VS2's are priced lower, all 11-12K range. ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 3/16/2008 9:24:26 PM

P: 3/16/2008 9:26:46 PM
pixley Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,534 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 11/12/2007	Can you post a picture for us? Sounds like you might be looking at an antique style cushion, which I think happen to look great with a slightly large culet.
Posted: 3/16/2008 9:26:46 PM

P: 3/16/2008 9:27:14 PM
pixley Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,534 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 11/12/2007	Can you post a picture for us? Sounds like you might be looking at an antique style cushion, which I think happen to look great with a slightly large culet. ETA: sorry for the double post. Computer gremlins today.
Posted: 3/16/2008 9:27:14 PM

P: 3/16/2008 9:41:15 PM
glloyd77 Rough Rock Total Posts: 38 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 2/20/2008	Never attached a picture before. Hope this works. Let me know what you think.
Posted: 3/16/2008 9:41:15 PM

P: 3/16/2008 9:45:52 PM
CrookedRock Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,738 Last Post: 6/8/2009 Member Since: 5/8/2007	Looks like a really pretty stone, and the culet doesn't look too big to me. I can't quie tell if it's very chunky or kinda inbetween... I would check the price again, I didn't search it out myself, but MrsS knows what she's talking about... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Posted: 3/16/2008 9:45:52 PM

P: 3/16/2008 9:59:25 PM
pixley Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,534 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 11/12/2007	I love the shape of that culet on that stone - it is one of the chunky faceted cushions that I think can handle a little culet action if you're into it. Looks pretty. Is the stone with a PS vendor?
Posted: 3/16/2008 9:59:25 PM

P: 3/16/2008 10:14:43 PM
glloyd77 Rough Rock Total Posts: 38 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 2/20/2008	Not sure who PS vendors are. Talking to ERD. $15k was a lot higher than other stones I had looked at but didn't know if the chunky look cost more as they are harder to find. Thoughts on price?
Posted: 3/16/2008 10:14:43 PM

P: 3/16/2008 11:06:18 PM
surfgirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,438 Last Post: 5/19/2009 Member Since: 4/5/2007	It looks like a very nice stone and the culet does give it that vintagey look...very pretty. ERD is probably the referred to PS vendor as they're the "go to" folks for cushions around here. FYI, I do remember that when Boston Jeff was looking for an antique style cushion, he mentioned that it was difficult to find the new cuts that look like that so that might account for the extra price.
Posted: 3/16/2008 11:06:18 PM

P: 3/16/2008 11:27:44 PM
pixley Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,534 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 11/12/2007	If it's an ERD-approved stone, I would totally trust Mark & Gary and give that baby a chance. It's really tough to find a VG/VG antique style cushion in the colorless range, so this is a total score. ERD's photos often leave much to be desired and the stones are usually way better in person than they are in their photos. I think it'll be fab in person. For photos of cushions with slightly large culets, check out, Boston_Jeff's, DMarieLevin's and Silverlily's cushions - those are some good examples of cushions with culets that are shaped like the one on your stone.
Posted: 3/16/2008 11:27:44 PM

P: 3/17/2008 3:55:31 AM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	ooooooh, I don't know much about cushions but I am really diggin the picture of this stone!!!
Posted: 3/17/2008 3:55:31 AM

P: 3/17/2008 6:19:32 AM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,582 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	It is an antiquy style cushion and so the open culet is entirely appropriate Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 3/17/2008 6:19:32 AM

P: 3/17/2008 6:25:33 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Pretty stone, I'd go for it! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 3/17/2008 6:25:33 AM

P: 3/17/2008 6:44:44 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,239 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 3/17/2008 6:25:33 AM Author: Ellen Pretty stone, I'd go for it! Me too! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 3/17/2008 6:44:44 AM

P: 3/17/2008 8:30:07 AM
CrookedRock Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,738 Last Post: 6/8/2009 Member Since: 5/8/2007	Well, you didn't say it was from Mark before!!! GET IT!! LOL. Having just bought my cushion from him last Monday, I can attest to his eye for these stones. I agree with Pixley about their pics though. When I got a pic of mine from them I immediately made it not an option, bc to be honest, it didn't look so great. I was in NYC anyway so I went to see it and within 2 secs of holding it I knew it was my stone!! The pic you have is far better than the one I had received of mine. I would trust him. As a matter of fact, we considered not buying our stone (size issue, whole other post), and my BF said that he would totally trust Mark to find exactly what we want and that he would buy it without going back to NYC. So, if the specs meet your criteria,and they look great to me, I would say trust Mark... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Posted: 3/17/2008 8:30:07 AM

P: 3/17/2008 8:43:43 AM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,859 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	Date: 3/16/2008 11:06:18 PM Author: surfgirl It looks like a very nice stone and the culet does give it that vintagey look...very pretty. ERD is probably the referred to PS vendor as they're the 'go to' folks for cushions around here. FYI, I do remember that when Boston Jeff was looking for an antique style cushion, he mentioned that it was difficult to find the new cuts that look like that so that might account for the extra price. I remember this too surfgirl and agree. I would trust Mark 100% on the stone and if it's the vintage looking cushion your are after looks like this stone is it. I'd trust mark's eyes over the pics, like others have said, his aren't always the greatest and it really is difficult to get good pics of cushions or tell much from them. snatch that puppy up if you can. what are you thinking about for the setting? ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 3/17/2008 8:43:43 AM

P: 3/17/2008 9:07:08 AM
CrookedRock Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,738 Last Post: 6/8/2009 Member Since: 5/8/2007	Date: 3/17/2008 8:43:43 AM Author: mrssalvo Date: 3/16/2008 11:06:18 PM Author: surfgirl It looks like a very nice stone and the culet does give it that vintagey look...very pretty. ERD is probably the referred to PS vendor as they're the 'go to' folks for cushions around here. FYI, I do remember that when Boston Jeff was looking for an antique style cushion, he mentioned that it was difficult to find the new cuts that look like that so that might account for the extra price. I remember this too surfgirl and agree. I would trust Mark 100% on the stone and if it's the vintage looking cushion your are after looks like this stone is it. I'd trust mark's eyes over the pics, like others have said, his aren't always the greatest and it really is difficult to get good pics of cushions or tell much from them. snatch that puppy up if you can. what are you thinking about for the setting? Sorry... I should have commented on this before! Yes, it is extremely difficult... BostonJeff started a very challenging trend around here with these antique looking cushions. Mark had about a month to look for us, and within a sizable budget and a an whole ct weight to work with... In the end we had one option to pick from with Mark. This was briefly discussed in another thread with Rhino, bc it's really amazing how difficult these things are to get a hold of...Apparently, there are only a few cutters out there that are recreating this antique look... If he says he found you one, I would believe him... I can guarantee you that in person it will far surpass its pics! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Posted: 3/17/2008 9:07:08 AM

P: 3/17/2008 11:43:30 PM
elmo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,142 Last Post: 10/19/2009 Member Since: 6/18/2003	Date: 3/16/2008 8:55:46 PM Author: glloyd77 It is a cushion brilliant. They are asking just over $15k. Do you think that is a good price? I would not call it a "good price" but rather a "fair price for a nice stone". $15K is "list" more or less and nice traditional cushions can be found 15-20 back, but they're often hard to come by. Perfectly reasonable to pay a bit more to get a nice stone and to get what you want. Good size color clarity and outline on this one; I've seen "large" culets that look larger than this.
Posted: 3/17/2008 11:43:30 PM

P: 3/18/2008 12:00:29 PM
scarlet16 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 917 Last Post: 1/27/2009 Member Since: 3/14/2006	I think I saw this stone in person. If it's the same stone I'm thinking of, it's stunning! And from what I remember, Mark told me there is a mark-up on these particular type of stones because they are so difficult to find and something about the rough being slightly more.
Posted: 3/18/2008 12:00:29 PM

P: 3/18/2008 12:14:00 PM
CrookedRock Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,738 Last Post: 6/8/2009 Member Since: 5/8/2007	Ok, That's it! If Scarlet says its stunning, then it is. She picked out my stone!!! The girl has an eye! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Posted: 3/18/2008 12:14:00 PM

P: 3/18/2008 2:35:26 PM
scarlet16 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 917 Last Post: 1/27/2009 Member Since: 3/14/2006	CrookedRock, you're making me blush! But in all seriousness, I'll be there on Thursday if you want me to take a look for you, glloyd77.
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:35:26 PM

P: 3/18/2008 3:02:07 PM
CrookedRock Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,738 Last Post: 6/8/2009 Member Since: 5/8/2007	Date: 3/18/2008 2:35:26 PM Author: scarlet16 CrookedRock, you're making me blush! But in all seriousness, I'll be there on Thursday if you want me to take a look for you, glloyd77. Really??? And what might you be going to look at?? Did he find something new for you? You should take pics for this guy... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Posted: 3/18/2008 3:02:07 PM

P: 3/18/2008 3:53:35 PM
scarlet16 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 917 Last Post: 1/27/2009 Member Since: 3/14/2006	Ugh...wish there was something new. Going back to take another look at his original recommendation. I'm thinking it still won't be chunky enough for me though... I can absolutely take pictures if you want!
Posted: 3/18/2008 3:53:35 PM

P: 3/18/2008 6:48:42 PM
jellycat Rough Rock Total Posts: 53 Last Post: 6/2/2009 Member Since: 3/17/2008	wow, that is a gorgeous cushion! i hope there is more supply for them in the future.. they are absolutely beautiful and the type of cushion i prefer, too. i say go for it! in a micro-pave setting, it will be stunning..
Posted: 3/18/2008 6:48:42 PM

P: 3/18/2008 10:07:19 PM
scarlet16 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 917 Last Post: 1/27/2009 Member Since: 3/14/2006	I hear that this is already on its way to you, and that it is the same stone I saw...which means NO WORRIES! That is a stunner and the facet pattern is amazing!
Posted: 3/18/2008 10:07:19 PM

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