What do you like the least about the diamond industry?

P: 2/17/2008 12:12:18 AM

strmrdr

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This is a follow up of Garry's thread.

........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K

Posted: 2/17/2008 12:12:18 AM

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P: 2/17/2008 12:18:29 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	If other please specify in this thread should be the 7th option... ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/17/2008 12:18:29 AM

P: 2/17/2008 1:17:59 AM
door knob solitaire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,933 Last Post: 2/26/2008 Member Since: 6/27/2005	Drats...too late to edit? I think 7 should be all of the above. Thats is how I would vote. Oh with the exception of excluding 6 from my vote.
Posted: 2/17/2008 1:17:59 AM

P: 2/17/2008 1:42:12 AM
gwendolyn Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,544 Last Post: 11/12/2009 Member Since: 8/4/2007	So, you're just interested in our opinions on the commercial aspect? Because the first thing that popped into my head when I saw your topic was the ethical issues associated with diamonds. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ UK Wedding: April ?th, 2010 US Reception: May 30th, 2010! Out of Context Theatre presents...ladypirate: "Gwen, you would make a terrible medieval catholic priest!" 'One day you will do things for me that you hate. That is what it means to be family.' -Jonathan Safran Foer, 'Everything Is Illuminated'
Posted: 2/17/2008 1:42:12 AM

P: 2/17/2008 1:47:51 AM
Imdanny Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,831 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 1/22/2008	Um, the pricing.
Posted: 2/17/2008 1:47:51 AM

P: 2/17/2008 2:14:17 AM
Deelight Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,090 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/4/2007	Date: 2/17/2008 1:17:59 AM Author: door knob solitaire Drats...too late to edit? I think 7 should be all of the above. Thats is how I would vote. Oh with the exception of excluding 6 from my vote. Ditto :) __________________________________________________________ Sometimes if your really lucky all your dreams do come true ...............
Posted: 2/17/2008 2:14:17 AM

P: 2/17/2008 4:29:02 AM
Jelly Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,476 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/20/2005	I wish diamonds were more of an investment.
Posted: 2/17/2008 4:29:02 AM

P: 2/17/2008 8:49:27 AM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,856 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	If you are talking about non-PS vendors and regular mall or brick and mortor stores it'd be the sales people. It drives me nuts that I know more about types of settings/terminogy than they do. and diamonds, that's just as crazy. one very popular store in my area told me they do not carry AGS diamonds b/c that lab will only grade branded stones like HoF. I decided to not mentione that I owned a non branded AGS0 stone at the time ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 2/17/2008 8:49:27 AM

P: 2/17/2008 10:31:47 AM
*DiamondDana** Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,168 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2006	Date: 2/17/2008 8:49:27 AM Author: mrssalvo If you are talking about non-PS vendors and regular mall or brick and mortor stores it'd be the sales people. It drives me nuts that I know more about types of settings/terminogy than they do. and diamonds, that's just as crazy. one very popular store in my area told me they do not carry AGS diamonds b/c that lab will only grade branded stones like HoF. I decided to not mentione that I owned a non branded AGS0 stone at the time I agree! They look at you like you have 3 heads when in reality THEY have the wrong information! And they are so pushy, will not take no for an answer...and they follow you around from case to case! I would also have to say the pricing...it would be lovely if bling were a bit more afordable, that way I could have SO much more! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you judge people, you have no time to love them ~Mother Teresa
Posted: 2/17/2008 10:31:47 AM

P: 2/17/2008 10:51:00 AM
ksinger Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,202 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/30/2008	Ditto ad nauseum on the sales people. I can hardly stand to go into a B&M store for that very reason. They practically start panting when you walk in the door and as mentioned, follow you from case to case (car to car anyone?), or they try to get you into a HoF, and/or they DO look at you like a PITA when you KNOW something. Of course I'd wager that most PS'ers are not, like the average shopper, nearly as susceptible to the hype. Just more aware of it and annoyed by it, as the poll results attest.
Posted: 2/17/2008 10:51:00 AM

P: 2/17/2008 11:15:39 AM
A Day Late Rough Rock Total Posts: 36 Last Post: 5/19/2008 Member Since: 2/11/2008	I also agree with MrsS and DiamondD. I have been shopping for a few weeks now, and I am starting to take these salespeople to heart. I feel now that they are just falt out lying to me, and trying to take advantage of those of us who know little about diamonds. I am VERY happy with my BF, as he asked me to find my ring with him. I went shopping (with him) and the prices ovewhelmed me. I really felt that I could get the ring of my dreams with my budget, but was seriously let down. (see my story in this forum). The more research I do, the more i feel i am being lied to and pushed into spending my money on less-than-OK diamonds. A Day Late
Posted: 2/17/2008 11:15:39 AM

P: 2/17/2008 2:55:56 PM
honey22 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,950 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 7/29/2007	Crap like this - the education page on some B&M websites : A diamond with a cut grade of excellent or very good from the GIA can be said to be an ideal cut diamond. A grade of good can be seen as nearly an ideal cut. Most leading diamond retailers will not stock diamonds with a clarity level of SI2 or less as this is the minimum that the naked eye cannot see. All the leading diamond retailers such as Cartier and Tiffany & Co, provide a GIA certificate with all their diamond products. Colour is generally accepted as being more important for it is the first thing that one sees in a diamond. Wedding Date Take 2: 26th November 2009!
Posted: 2/17/2008 2:55:56 PM

P: 2/17/2008 3:00:55 PM
coatimundi_org Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,312 Last Post: 6/7/2009 Member Since: 12/9/2007	Um...the monopoly. Coati, G.G.
Posted: 2/17/2008 3:00:55 PM

P: 2/17/2008 3:15:19 PM
MC Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,831 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 2/8/2003	Date: 2/17/2008 4:29:02 AM Author: Jelly I wish diamonds were more of an investment. Yes, this would be nice! I checked the diamond prices at the store my eng ring was purchased at, and it'd be less now than it was in 1994! The issues I have are the high prices and lack of great quality stones sold locally. I cannot stand that sales people do not know their stuff AND even if they do, they're obligated due to ignore the importance of cut in order to keep their jobs at low-quality chain stores.
Posted: 2/17/2008 3:15:19 PM

P: 2/17/2008 3:59:47 PM
susiegrneyes Rough Rock Total Posts: 68 Last Post: 9/7/2009 Member Since: 1/4/2008	I hate the salespeople in B&M stores. I agree most of them know very little about diamonds. They pass on all kinds of misinformation. Furthermore, they prey on uneducated consumers who don't know what a ring is worth. I couldn't in good conscience sell someone a ring for more than twice what it is worth, but I know there are many people who would. Also, I wish there wasn't such a shroud of secrecy in the diamond industry.
Posted: 2/17/2008 3:59:47 PM

P: 2/17/2008 5:48:05 PM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	Date: 2/17/2008 12:12:18 AM Author:strmrdr This is a follow up of Garry's thread. Its primitiveness..., and cowardliness to move on to the next level of where this industry should be at. ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 2/17/2008 5:48:05 PM

P: 2/17/2008 6:07:41 PM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	I love diamonds, but there are so many things I dislike about the industry and I don't think I can pick the worst one. I don't like the inflated prices on goods that aren't really that rare. I can't stand the poor training of salespeople and their snooty attitudes. I don't like the cheesy marketing campaigns. That's why I buy online...b/c most of these issues are ameliorated.
Posted: 2/17/2008 6:07:41 PM

P: 2/17/2008 7:35:29 PM
Missrocks Ideal Rock Total Posts: 518 Last Post: 5/5/2008 Member Since: 12/28/2007	Ask most jewelry store sales people what they did before (job wise) Most will say sales (car sales, retail sales, electronics sales, something like that) I would agree that probably 95 percent of salespeople don't know their s**t, because they were just hired based on the fact they know how to sell. Very few stores will actually have any GG's that actually came into the business for the love of the product and not the sales aspect. And this is very unfortunate for all. It frustrates customers and the few and far inbetween educated salespeople that choose to work in those stores. Yep, next time you get a salesperson with a "used car" presentation, ask him where he worked before out of curiousity..hehe.
Posted: 2/17/2008 7:35:29 PM

P: 2/17/2008 7:51:20 PM
Imdanny Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,831 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 1/22/2008	I feel badly that many people will overpay for inferior quality jewelry. There's something very sad about the fact that people are getting taken advantage of especially because they have their emotions involved in something that is often a representation of love. That aspect is very unfortunate.
Posted: 2/17/2008 7:51:20 PM

P: 2/18/2008 1:53:15 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	What I find interesting was I included 1 and 5 too see how many people would separate the sales person from what the sales person was pushing and what I see as the biggest reason for it. I'm rather surprised it was almost 50% that did. The one person that said no complaints either hasn't been in many diamond stores or is in the trade LOL ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/18/2008 1:53:15 PM

P: 2/18/2008 2:27:31 PM
Serg Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,514 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 3/22/2002	Economic Downturn Requires Retail Re-think "In effect, do whatever it takes to understand what consumers are thinking right now and why they are behaving the way they are. Find ways to immediately put consumer feedback into practice. They will guide you not only to survive --but thrive-- in any landscape, including the current downturn." Sergey Sivovolenko CEO OctoNus
Posted: 2/18/2008 2:27:31 PM

P: 2/18/2008 3:06:09 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 2/18/2008 2:27:31 PM Author: Serg Economic Downturn Requires Retail Re-think 'In effect, do whatever it takes to understand what consumers are thinking right now and why they are behaving the way they are. Find ways to immediately put consumer feedback into practice. They will guide you not only to survive --but thrive-- in any landscape, including the current downturn.' interesting article nice too know PS isn't the only voice in the wilderness. But treating wealthy consumers different than others can backfire also. One local place had a very wealthy client who bought 10s of thousands of dollars worth of stuff there year round. His executive assistant went there too buy a $300 item and was badly treated, they lost both customers. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/18/2008 3:06:09 PM

P: 2/18/2008 4:31:56 PM
oldminer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,964 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 9/4/2000	I think we'd get a kick out of another poll named: "What's to like about the diamond industry?" It is easy to generalize and find free criticism, but darned difficult to really make a positive contribution toward betterment. Most thinking folks in the trade recognize the many problems and issues, but have little influence as relatively small business people. It is a daily scramble to make ends meet for many supposedly wealthy merchants. The poll reminds me of the two picky woman eating at a rather posh restaurant. The waiter came by and asked them: "Ladies, is anything alright?" One said the food was simply horrid today and the other chimed in to voice her agreement and made the comment that the portions were so small. This is a lot like the jewelry business. It is often a love-hate thing, but it has been a good working model for decades. Change in a tradition bound business is very difficult to observe or live through. David S. Atlas GG(GIA), ASG, Sr. Mbr. NAJA www.datlas.com
Posted: 2/18/2008 4:31:56 PM

P: 2/18/2008 4:46:34 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 2/18/2008 4:31:56 PM Author: oldminer I think we'd get a kick out of another poll named: 'What's to like about the diamond industry?' It is easy to generalize and find free criticism, but darned difficult to really make a positive contribution toward betterment. Most thinking folks in the trade recognize the many problems and issues, but have little influence as relatively small business people. It is a daily scramble to make ends meet for many supposedly wealthy merchants. The poll reminds me of the two picky woman eating at a rather posh restaurant. The waiter came by and asked them: 'Ladies, is anything alright?' One said the food was simply horrid today and the other chimed in to voice her agreement and made the comment that the portions were so small. This is a lot like the jewelry business. It is often a love-hate thing, but it has been a good working model for decades. Change in a tradition bound business is very difficult to observe or live through. hmm I thought of such a poll but what would I put as options. If I put pricescope as an option it will get 100% of the vote :} lol Its even more painful too go out of business because you didn't change and all the customers moved on too those that did. Three of the biggest independent jewelers in my area didn't exist 5 years ago. At the same time many of them are retiring and there is no one that wants too take over. In one case the son owns one of the new companies mentioned above. Rather than take over the family business and the reputation he launched his own. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/18/2008 4:46:34 PM

P: 2/19/2008 2:00:00 AM
hairgirl95 Cut Rock Total Posts: 404 Last Post: 11/3/2008 Member Since: 10/21/2007	Well, if any of you read the diatribe I wrote about my day at the jewelry store, you would understand that at this point I am extremely disappointed with a poor quality stone or piece of jewelry being portrayed as ideal or excellent. Its hard if you don't have PS as a resource--which I didn't when I got taken for a ride with this current stone. I also don't like the attitude you get when you start asking educated questions. Once they realize you are not a total diamond moron, their claws come out. Hence my experience today. Just my 2 cents worth. I can only hope that one day the diamond buying process becomes a level playing field even if you don't have the diamond knowledge that many people on here possess.
Posted: 2/19/2008 2:00:00 AM

P: 2/19/2008 2:14:55 AM
Missrocks Ideal Rock Total Posts: 518 Last Post: 5/5/2008 Member Since: 12/28/2007	Date: 2/18/2008 4:31:56 PM Author: oldminer I think we'd get a kick out of another poll named: 'What's to like about the diamond industry?' It is easy to generalize and find free criticism, but darned difficult to really make a positive contribution toward betterment. Most thinking folks in the trade recognize the many problems and issues, but have little influence as relatively small business people. It is a daily scramble to make ends meet for many supposedly wealthy merchants. The poll reminds me of the two picky woman eating at a rather posh restaurant. The waiter came by and asked them: 'Ladies, is anything alright?' One said the food was simply horrid today and the other chimed in to voice her agreement and made the comment that the portions were so small. This is a lot like the jewelry business. It is often a love-hate thing, but it has been a good working model for decades. Change in a tradition bound business is very difficult to observe or live through. Naahh..I'm sure most would agree complaining or finding the negative is more fun. Oldminer- Very good point made.
Posted: 2/19/2008 2:14:55 AM

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