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prepping for my Asscher search... |
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| P: 2/16/2008 6:19:40 PM | |
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CaptainCarat Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 7/26/2008 Member Since: 2/16/2008 |
Hi all! I've been reading this forum off and on for the last several months and have read hundreds of posts about diamonds, Asschers in particular. I'm planning on proposing sometime in September so I do have some time, and right now I don't have the money needed to buy the ring I want...but I will shortly. I've been taking notes as I've been researching and wanted to get some comments on my results. Basically, every person has similar but different parameters that they consider "ideal". I wrote down each of these parameters and merged them to make the most restrictive set...for example, if one person said they liked a depth of 60-68% and another said 63-70%, I ended up with 63-68%. I figured this way each person would agree that I'm getting a decent diamond. Of course I understand that you can't buy a diamond without seeing it (especially Asschers), but these are the parameters I'm going by for right now. What do you think? Carat: ~1.1+ (5.80x5.80mm or larger is my target size) Cut: highest quality I can find Color: D - H (as long as better color than sidestones) Clarity: completely eye-clean SI1 or better Fluorescence: none or faint in D - F, or slight to medium with F to I color LxW ratio: 1.00 to 1.05 (square) Depth: 65% to 68% Table: 55% to 60% Crown: 12% to 15% Girdle: medium-thin, medium, medium-thick Culet*: very small to medium Polish: VG or Ex Symmetry: VG or Ex *Culet - I have read that since the culet is perpendicular to the table, a large culet will look like an inclusion. I've also read that it's preferable to have a culet that's not pointed since it reduces the chance that the diamond will chip. Is this true? The most important feature to me in an Asscher is that strong "hall of mirrors" effect and, of course, that it catches the light and sparkles. Not as much as a RB of course, but you know what I mean. I haven't decided on the exact setting yet, but I'm leaning towards a platinum setting with channel-set Asscher's. Also considering side traps or baguettes. Haven't found something that's exactly as I like so I'll probably go custom. I've got some CAD software that I'm playing around with...hope to have some good renderings in about a month or so. My total budget is $10,000 with the setting. So does all this information look at least not too crazy? Thanks in advance for all your help! If I'm too far off I'm just going to eat strmrdr's brain to gain knowledge. Disclaimer: I've read through the FAQs and everything I know so far is from reading people's posts. Also, through clever mind games my soon-to-be fiancee thinks she's getting a ~4.4mm stone at most and there's no way she'll get a carat diamond. So whatever my decision is, she should be happy
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| Posted: 2/16/2008 6:19:40 PM | |
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| P: 2/16/2008 6:45:07 PM | |
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mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,856 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005 |
I am not an asscher expert so you'll have to wait for storm or others to chime in. but, i just purchased a daniel K ring from pearlmans and daniel k cuts some AMAZING asschers. there is one in their closeout section that looks like it could meet your requirements for stone specs as well as setting and it's right at 10K, a STEAL for a daniel k ring. i bet they could get you the cert on the asscher too that would have all the cut info, the stone is a D-VS1 with ex/ex polish and symmetry... http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-specials/closeout-jewelry/rings/209CO1/24/ ![]() |
| Posted: 2/16/2008 6:45:07 PM | |
| P: 2/16/2008 8:10:32 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Howdy, Just posting too let you know I saw this. Im in extreme pain tonight and will address this over the weekend sometime. Its going too be a very long answer. Didnt want you too feel I was ignoring you. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 2/16/2008 8:10:32 PM | |
| P: 2/16/2008 9:34:27 PM | |
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CaptainCarat Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 7/26/2008 Member Since: 2/16/2008 |
Date: 2/16/2008 8:10:32 PM Author: strmrdr Howdy, Just posting too let you know I saw this. Im in extreme pain tonight and will address this over the weekend sometime. Its going too be a very long answer. Didnt want you too feel I was ignoring you. Uh oh...sounds like bad news. "Looks great!" isn't a very long answer ![]() Hope you feel better strmrdr!
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| Posted: 2/16/2008 9:34:27 PM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 12:47:31 AM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Date: 2/16/2008 9:34:27 PM lol just needs some minor tweaking here and there but no matter how you narrow down the numbers they are only less than 20% of the information you need.Author: CaptainCarat Uh oh...sounds like bad news. 'Looks great!' isn't a very long answer ![]() Hope you feel better strmrdr! Crown height, table size, l/w ratio being the important numbers. The rest is pictures and expert opinion. Thanks, I messed up my neck some how and have pains shooting up and down the sides of my neck in back. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 2/17/2008 12:47:31 AM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 1:45:20 AM | |
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gwendolyn Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,544 Last Post: 11/12/2009 Member Since: 8/4/2007 |
Date: 2/17/2008 12:47:31 AM Author: strmrdr Thanks, I messed up my neck some how and have pains shooting up and down the sides of my neck in back. Dude, that sounds just awful. I hope you feel better soon! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| Posted: 2/17/2008 1:45:20 AM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 7:27:23 AM | |
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CaptainCarat Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 7/26/2008 Member Since: 2/16/2008 |
Date: 2/17/2008 12:47:31 AM Author: strmrdr Date: 2/16/2008 9:34:27 PM lol just needs some minor tweaking here and there but no matter how you narrow down the numbers they are only less than 20% of the information you need.Author: CaptainCarat Uh oh...sounds like bad news. 'Looks great!' isn't a very long answer ![]() Hope you feel better strmrdr! Crown height, table size, l/w ratio being the important numbers. The rest is pictures and expert opinion. Thanks, I messed up my neck some how and have pains shooting up and down the sides of my neck in back. Oh yeah, that's the worst. Makes it so you can't drive anywhere, either. Don't you love it when it happens on the weekend? Yeah, I know the numbers are a small part of the big picture, but I figured if I used these specs I'd greatly increase my chance of seeing good stuff. Recently I've been paying careful attention to photo evaluations here on PS, read up a little on ASET (although I'm not sure how many companies have this equipment yet), Ideal-scope outputs (even though Asscher's are not well-suited for these I believe), etc. When I started learning these important numbers, I started leaning towards BN...until I learned how much the visual aspect can vary even with very similar numbers. Now I'm leaning towards James Allen, WF, GOG, etc. where someone can send me photos and equipment reports and offer the expert opinion of someone who's seen thousands of diamonds and can tell me if I'm getting what I'm looking for. Not to mention that everyone on this forum is a godsend to the oblivious consumer. I'm making progress though...up until November I thought the way to buy a ring was to walk into Jared and pick one out! Didn't even know about certified diamonds. I think I'll take the price difference between the Jared not-so-hot diamonds and a beautiful online purchase and buy everyone here a drink when it's all done with!
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| Posted: 2/17/2008 7:27:23 AM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 7:28:31 AM | |
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CaptainCarat Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 7/26/2008 Member Since: 2/16/2008 |
Date: 2/16/2008 6:45:07 PM Author: mrssalvo I am not an asscher expert so you'll have to wait for storm or others to chime in. but, i just purchased a daniel K ring from pearlmans and daniel k cuts some AMAZING asschers. there is one in their closeout section that looks like it could meet your requirements for stone specs as well as setting and it's right at 10K, a STEAL for a daniel k ring. i bet they could get you the cert on the asscher too that would have all the cut info, the stone is a D-VS1 with ex/ex polish and symmetry... http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-specials/closeout-jewelry/rings/209CO1/24/ I'll definitely have to keep them in mind...too bad this one probably won't be there when I'm ready to purchase though! Thanks for the heads up, and at least I have another picture to consider :)
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| Posted: 2/17/2008 7:28:31 AM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 7:55:34 AM | |
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Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006 |
Date: 2/17/2008 7:27:23 AM That's a good thing to do. If you haven't already, try searching for "Asscher", "Asscher ring", "good Asscher", etc. on here. You should get a lot of threads, and many of those will be where people started looking for a stone, and what they ended up with. Most of those have pics too, and will help you get an eye for what a nice stone looks like, and what to look for in getting one.Author: CaptainCarat Oh yeah, that's the worst. Makes it so you can't drive anywhere, either. Don't you love it when it happens on the weekend? Yeah, I know the numbers are a small part of the big picture, but I figured if I used these specs I'd greatly increase my chance of seeing good stuff. Recently I've been paying careful attention to photo evaluations here on PS, read up a little on ASET (although I'm not sure how many companies have this equipment yet), Ideal-scope outputs (even though Asscher's are not well-suited for these I believe), etc. Good luck! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| Posted: 2/17/2008 7:55:34 AM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 8:44:07 AM | |
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mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,856 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005 |
Date: 2/17/2008 7:28:31 AM Author: CaptainCarat Date: 2/16/2008 6:45:07 PM Author: mrssalvo I am not an asscher expert so you'll have to wait for storm or others to chime in. but, i just purchased a daniel K ring from pearlmans and daniel k cuts some AMAZING asschers. there is one in their closeout section that looks like it could meet your requirements for stone specs as well as setting and it's right at 10K, a STEAL for a daniel k ring. i bet they could get you the cert on the asscher too that would have all the cut info, the stone is a D-VS1 with ex/ex polish and symmetry... http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-specials/closeout-jewelry/rings/209CO1/24/ I'll definitely have to keep them in mind...too bad this one probably won't be there when I'm ready to purchase though! Thanks for the heads up, and at least I have another picture to consider :) Well, you never know I will say if I were hunting for a loose asscher, I'd call up Jon at Goodoldgold, give him the specs and budget and let him do the work. he can even make video's comparing which is really cool. B/t him and the great advice you can get her, there is no doubt you will end up with a stunning asscher and ring.
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| Posted: 2/17/2008 8:44:07 AM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 8:54:10 AM | |
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CaptainCarat Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 7/26/2008 Member Since: 2/16/2008 |
Date: 2/17/2008 8:44:07 AM Author: mrssalvo Date: 2/17/2008 7:28:31 AM Author: CaptainCarat Date: 2/16/2008 6:45:07 PM Author: mrssalvo I am not an asscher expert so you'll have to wait for storm or others to chime in. but, i just purchased a daniel K ring from pearlmans and daniel k cuts some AMAZING asschers. there is one in their closeout section that looks like it could meet your requirements for stone specs as well as setting and it's right at 10K, a STEAL for a daniel k ring. i bet they could get you the cert on the asscher too that would have all the cut info, the stone is a D-VS1 with ex/ex polish and symmetry... http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-specials/closeout-jewelry/rings/209CO1/24/ I'll definitely have to keep them in mind...too bad this one probably won't be there when I'm ready to purchase though! Thanks for the heads up, and at least I have another picture to consider :) Well, you never know I will say if I were hunting for a loose asscher, I'd call up Jon at Goodoldgold, give him the specs and budget and let him do the work. he can even make video's comparing which is really cool. B/t him and the great advice you can get her, there is no doubt you will end up with a stunning asscher and ring. I might end up doing just that. Still gotta scrape together the cash, but the fact that they take the time to make video comparisons of their stones speaks highly of them and I've heard nothing but good things about them.
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| Posted: 2/17/2008 8:54:10 AM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 12:01:49 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Changes in Green Carat: ~1.1+ (5.80x5.80mm or larger is my target size) smart shopping MM rather than weight :} Cut: highest quality I can find Color: D - H (as long as better color than sidestones) Clarity: stick too vs2 or better unless its an in stock stone that the vendor will guarantee is 100% eyeclean, calling in si asschers is a losing proposition Fluorescence: Doesn't matter much, if it has some kewl if not kewl, I love v-strong as long as it isnt an over-blue. LxW ratio: As square as possible, 1.04ish max, Depth: 45%(haha) too 70%, discount over 70% unless its an old style asscher with a very high crown then it can carry a premium. Table: 25% to 65% Crown: 10%+ Girdle: medium, medium-thick, slthick, thick, and sometimes v-thick, avoid v-thin, ethin, thin and ethick. Culet*: none vsmall small Polish: VG or Ex Symmetry: VG or Ex Grading reports: GIA AGS only, the best asschers are sent too GIA these days 99.999% of the time. *Culet - I have read that since the culet is perpendicular to the table, a large culet will look like an inclusion. I've also read that it's preferable to have a culet that's not pointed since it reduces the chance that the diamond will chip. Is this true? yes and no, modern settings do a great job of protecting the culet so its no longer an issue once the stone is set. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 2/17/2008 12:01:49 PM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 3:18:02 PM | |
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DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,924 Last Post: 11/8/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004 |
Date: 2/17/2008 12:01:49 PM
Author: strmrdr Changes in Green Carat: ~1.1+ (5.80x5.80mm or larger is my target size) smart shopping MM rather than weight :} Cut: highest quality I can find Color: D - H (as long as better color than sidestones) Clarity: stick too vs2 or better unless its an in stock stone that the vendor will guarantee is 100% eyeclean, calling in si asschers is a losing proposition Fluorescence: Doesn't matter much, if it has some kewl if not kewl, I love v-strong as long as it isnt an over-blue. LxW ratio: As square as possible, 1.04ish max, Depth: 45%(haha) too 70%, discount over 70% unless its an old style asscher with a very high crown then it can carry a premium. Table: 25% to 65% Crown: 10% With a 65% table--- 27%+ with a 25% table... ![]() Girdle: medium, medium-thick, slthick, thick, and sometimes v-thick, avoid v-thin, ethin, thin and ethick. Culet*: none vsmall small Polish: VG or Ex Symmetry: VG or Ex Grading reports: GIA AGS only, the best asschers are sent too GIA these days 99.999% of the time. *Culet - I have read that since the culet is perpendicular to the table, a large culet will look like an inclusion. I've also read that it's preferable to have a culet that's not pointed since it reduces the chance that the diamond will chip. Is this true? yes and no, modern settings do a great job of protecting the culet so its no longer an issue once the stone is set. ********************** |
| Posted: 2/17/2008 3:18:02 PM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 3:28:51 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
lol DiaGem cant disagree with that :} ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 2/17/2008 3:28:51 PM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 7:52:23 PM | |
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CaptainCarat Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 7/26/2008 Member Since: 2/16/2008 |
Date: 2/17/2008 12:01:49 PM Author: strmrdr Changes in Green Carat: ~1.1+ (5.80x5.80mm or larger is my target size) smart shopping MM rather than weight :} Cut: highest quality I can find Color: D - H (as long as better color than sidestones) Clarity: stick too vs2 or better unless its an in stock stone that the vendor will guarantee is 100% eyeclean, calling in si asschers is a losing proposition Fluorescence: Doesn't matter much, if it has some kewl if not kewl, I love v-strong as long as it isnt an over-blue. LxW ratio: As square as possible, 1.04ish max, Depth: 45%(haha) too 70%, discount over 70% unless its an old style asscher with a very high crown then it can carry a premium. Table: 25% to 65% Crown: 10%+ Girdle: medium, medium-thick, slthick, thick, and sometimes v-thick, avoid v-thin, ethin, thin and ethick. Culet*: none vsmall small Polish: VG or Ex Symmetry: VG or Ex Grading reports: GIA AGS only, the best asschers are sent too GIA these days 99.999% of the time. *Culet - I have read that since the culet is perpendicular to the table, a large culet will look like an inclusion. I've also read that it's preferable to have a culet that's not pointed since it reduces the chance that the diamond will chip. Is this true? yes and no, modern settings do a great job of protecting the culet so its no longer an issue once the stone is set. Great, thanks for the information! It looks like there are very few "red flags" that can be thrown up by examining only one parameter. For example, the a certain depth can be OK, but only if coupled with a certain crown height and table size. I guess in the end it really comes down to expert opinion...thankfully there are plenty on here :) I'm sure you'll be hearing more from me once I can really start looking seriously, but for now I'll concentrate on the setting I guess.
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| Posted: 2/17/2008 7:52:23 PM | |
| P: 2/17/2008 7:58:48 PM | |
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CaptainCarat Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 7/26/2008 Member Since: 2/16/2008 |
I think I should clarify what I just said...I had understood before that you had to get a diamond that had good parameters for it to look great, and that each of the parameters had to be in the right general area to get a real performer. However I was thinking that there was a wide swath of numbers that could be excluded immediately but it seems that crown size < 10% and table size > 70% are some of the few!
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| Posted: 2/17/2008 7:58:48 PM | |
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