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2.51ct E VS1 H&A(???). Are these specs PS-approved???

P: 2/4/2008 11:13:41 PM
diamondnut Cut Rock Total Posts: 182 Last Post: 10/27/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2008	Hi everyone, I'm trading in a 1.56ct RB, D VS1 H&A. The vendor has been on the lookout for a larger stone with similar specs. He just contacted me about an 'incredible' 2.51ct RB E VS1 H&A. So I asked to look at the certificate (GIA). The certificate doesn't mention that it's a H&A. Do they not note this on the certificates anymore or is this an indication that it's not a 'real' H&A? I ask because the GIA certificates for my current stone and a pair of studs do note that they're H&A...granted they're 3-4 years old. Also, here're the specs. What do you all think? Are these proportions as ideal as they come?? Is this the one??? 2.51 ct RB 8.75-8.80 x 5.38 mm E VS1 Cut grade: Excellent Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Fluorescence: None Culet: None Table: 55% Depth: 61.3% Girdle: Thin-Medium Faceted Crown angle: 34.5 degrees Pavillion angle: 40.8 degrees
Posted: 2/4/2008 11:13:41 PM

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P: 2/4/2008 11:19:03 PM
EricaR Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,110 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/4/2007	I just ran the numbers through the Cut Adviser (click on Tools (above), then on Cut Adviser) and the diamond falls within both ASG Ideal and GIA Excellent specifications. Total visual performance is a 1.2. Sounds like a great diamond to me! As for knowing if it is "the one", well, you are the only one who will know that. Have you seen it? How does it look to you? Are you in love with it? Those are the important questions to ask!
Posted: 2/4/2008 11:19:03 PM

P: 2/4/2008 11:20:24 PM
lumpkin Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,491 Last Post: 2/29/2008 Member Since: 5/24/2005	The numbers look great. It scored a 1.2 on the HCA (you can punch in the numbers yourself under Tools Cut Advisor above. You just need to look at it to see if the H&A is the way you want it. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Opinions are like belly buttons. Everyone has one, but some are more appealing than others.
Posted: 2/4/2008 11:20:24 PM

P: 2/4/2008 11:26:51 PM
Sparkalicious Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,719 Last Post: 9/19/2009 Member Since: 11/22/2007	Diamondnut -- Those numbers look great ... That diamond "sounds" gorgeous! If you have seen it and love it then ... it's the ONE! Even if it isn't branded as a H&A diamond, it will likely have that lovely H&A effect that we drool over. I'm just "imagining" it and getting excited. I can't wait to see pictures! Are you going to get a new setting? If so, what are you thinking about getting for that beauty? * Too much of a good thing can be wonderful * ~ Mae West September 6, 2009
Posted: 2/4/2008 11:26:51 PM

P: 2/4/2008 11:53:40 PM
diamondnut Cut Rock Total Posts: 182 Last Post: 10/27/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2008	Thanks for your speedy replies. I just got the GIA cert and I knew I can count on you guys to share the excitement! I haven't seen the stone yet. I live in HK at the moment and the vendor's in NY. I'll be there in a couple of weeks so he's holding it for me. It sounds very promising on paper. Hopefully it's equally pleasing in person. I'm hoping to get a Leon Mege setting for it but I'm not sure if it'll happen given I'll only in NY for two weeks and I don't want to leave town without my rock! So I might end up having to get a simple 4 prong basket setting temporarily. This is the Leon I would like though... http://www.artofplatinum.com/4images/details.php?image_id=92
Posted: 2/4/2008 11:53:40 PM

P: 2/4/2008 11:58:59 PM
diamondnut Cut Rock Total Posts: 182 Last Post: 10/27/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2008	I plugged the numbers into the Cut Advisor as you guys suggested and everything came up 'excellent' except the spread, which only scored a 'very good' which I assume means the table and/or depth can be more ideal. Do you think this is a huge issue? i.e. Would this bother you enough to pass on it and continue the search for the MOST ideal cut you can find?
Posted: 2/4/2008 11:58:59 PM

P: 2/5/2008 12:09:24 AM
Sparkalicious Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,719 Last Post: 9/19/2009 Member Since: 11/22/2007	Date: 2/4/2008 11:53:40 PM Author: diamondnut Thanks for your speedy replies. I just got the GIA cert and I knew I can count on you guys to share the excitement! I haven't seen the stone yet. I live in HK at the moment and the vendor's in NY. I'll be there in a couple of weeks so he's holding it for me. It sounds very promising on paper. Hopefully it's equally pleasing in person. I'm hoping to get a Leon Mege setting for it but I'm not sure if it'll happen given I'll only in NY for two weeks and I don't want to leave town without my rock! So I might end up having to get a simple 4 prong basket setting temporarily. This is the Leon I would like though... http://www.artofplatinum.com/4images/details.php?image_id=92 Wow! Very nice .... With regards to your situation ... Hmmm... If you are certain that you are going to be getting this beauty of a diamond ... how about this? Maybe .. now I don't know if it will work but ... it might be worth at least trying ... Since you are going to be coming to NY in few weeks, why don't you consult Leon and let him know which setting you would like and provide him with the measurements of this stone so that he can start working on it before you get here. When you get here, he can just go ahead and finish up and set your stone in the setting? This way, you get your setting and your diamond to take back with you to HK??? Might that work for you? eta I've read that it takes approx 6 weeks or so for Leon to complete a setting. * Too much of a good thing can be wonderful * ~ Mae West September 6, 2009
Posted: 2/5/2008 12:09:24 AM

P: 2/5/2008 12:19:58 AM
Sparkalicious Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,719 Last Post: 9/19/2009 Member Since: 11/22/2007	Date: 2/4/2008 11:58:59 PM Author: diamondnut everything came up 'excellent' except the spread, which only scored a 'very good' which I assume means the table and/or depth can be more ideal. Do you think this is a huge issue? Diamondnut ... I'm not an expert, however, as is suggested by the HCA creator, Garry Holloway ... see this link, "Spread is a matter of desirability rather than a beauty factor", thus to answer your question, no ... I don't think that it is an issue at all for you. This diamond is ideal "ideal". Given how difficult it appears to be to find diamonds within this range, I would say that you are quite fortunate to have found this one. If your diamond was smaller and you wanted it to "appear" larger, it may have been desirable for you to find a diamond with a larger spread or if it were to be used for a pendant or earrings, for example. Given that your diamond is sizeable already, you are likely not as concerned that it "face up" larger. Given the superiority of the cut, every indication points in the direction of this diamond being absolutely gorgeous. * Too much of a good thing can be wonderful * ~ Mae West September 6, 2009
Posted: 2/5/2008 12:19:58 AM

P: 2/5/2008 12:21:52 AM
diamondnut Cut Rock Total Posts: 182 Last Post: 10/27/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2008	Date: 2/5/2008 12:09:24 AM Author: Sparkalicious Date: 2/4/2008 11:53:40 PM Author: diamondnut Thanks for your speedy replies. I just got the GIA cert and I knew I can count on you guys to share the excitement! I haven't seen the stone yet. I live in HK at the moment and the vendor's in NY. I'll be there in a couple of weeks so he's holding it for me. It sounds very promising on paper. Hopefully it's equally pleasing in person. I'm hoping to get a Leon Mege setting for it but I'm not sure if it'll happen given I'll only in NY for two weeks and I don't want to leave town without my rock! So I might end up having to get a simple 4 prong basket setting temporarily. This is the Leon I would like though... http://www.artofplatinum.com/4images/details.php?image_id=92 Wow! Very nice .... With regards to your situation ... Hmmm... If you are certain that you are going to be getting this beauty of a diamond ... how about this? Maybe .. now I don't know if it will work but ... it might be worth at least trying ... Since you are going to be coming to NY in few weeks, why don't you consult Leon and let him know which setting you would like and provide him with the measurements of this stone so that he can start working on it before you get here. When you get here, he can just go ahead and finish up and set your stone in the setting? This way, you get your setting and your diamond to take back with you to HK??? Might that work for you? You practically read my mind! I've already sent Leon an email practically begging him to work with my schedule. Let's see what he comes back with. But now I'm a little concerned that if I ask him to start on the setting, I'm more or less committing myself to this stone without seeing it. Well, I'll wait and see what he says first and then take it from there. Getting very very excited though!
Posted: 2/5/2008 12:21:52 AM

P: 2/5/2008 4:32:51 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 2/4/2008 11:13:41 PM Author:diamondnut Hi everyone, I'm trading in a 1.56ct RB, D VS1 H&A. The vendor has been on the lookout for a larger stone with similar specs. He just contacted me about an 'incredible' 2.51ct RB E VS1 H&A. So I asked to look at the certificate (GIA). The certificate doesn't mention that it's a H&A. Do they not note this on the certificates anymore or is this an indication that it's not a 'real' H&A? I ask because the GIA certificates for my current stone and a pair of studs do note that they're H&A...granted they're 3-4 years old. Also, here're the specs. What do you all think? Are these proportions as ideal as they come?? Is this the one??? 2.51 ct RB 8.75-8.80 x 5.38 mm E VS1 Cut grade: Excellent Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Fluorescence: None Culet: None Table: 55% Depth: 61.3% Girdle: Thin-Medium Faceted Crown angle: 34.5 degrees Pavillion angle: 40.8 degrees This diamond has beautiful numbers, it should be an excellent performer. The spread should not be a problem. As to whether this diamond is a true H&A if that is what you want, this info should help. http://www.pricescope.com/hearts_indx.asp Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 2/5/2008 4:32:51 AM

P: 2/5/2008 8:30:55 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	The stone does look great so far. When you say "vendor", do you mean online? Can you get an Idealscope pic of it by chance? p.s. Any really well cut stone I've seen plugged in the HCA only gets VG in spread, no biggie. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 2/5/2008 8:30:55 AM

P: 2/5/2008 10:45:48 AM
Allison D. Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,723 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/1/2008	Diamondnut, there's no 'standard' criteria within the industry for what constitutes H&A. Therefore, grading labs don't evaluate H&A, nor do they 'vouch' for it. They will and do report what's inscribed on the girdle of the stone, so if someone has inscribed H&A on the girdle of the stone, the labs will report that it is inscribed as such. If you're not seeing it on the GIA report, it only means it's not inscribed on the girdle. Because it's a GIA-graded stone, it won't be called 'ideal'; their vernacular is 'excellent', but from the numbers provided, it would likely fall within AGS0 parameters, too. It looks like a beautiful choice! Allison Dewey...."Alj" Consumer Relations, Whiteflash **the artist formerly known as aljdewey**
Posted: 2/5/2008 10:45:48 AM

P: 2/5/2008 11:00:47 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	so far so good. If its an internet stone heart images and IS images are the next step. If its being sold as h&a they should provide heart images. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/5/2008 11:00:47 AM

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