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Asschers And Fluroscence???

P: 1/22/2008 8:20:57 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Hi everyone! I absolutely love PS and all the knowledge I've gained in just one week of mbrship! However, despite reading nearly ever link i can find and tutorials etc - there's till one thing I just can;t get - Fluorescence!!?? Can I please have your all your most Honest opinions on the presence of fluorescence in Asscher cuts?? I have done much reading on the topic, but everyone seems to have a differing opinion. Mainly Everyone says that you need to see the stone in person before making a decision. The only problem for me is , I am buying from Australia, probably from WF or GOG, so obviously for me, it is not possible :-) I f I were to decide to go with one of these stones, I would be putting a lot of faith in the vendor representing it absolutely accurately, as I won't have the advantage of viewing before purchase in different lighting etc. So, the Q's are: 1. are there specific questions I need to ask the vendor about a stone with fluorescence? 2. are there any kind of images/lighting conditions which will help my decision? 3. Whats the difference/effect on quality between medium and faint blue? (i'm not considering strong). 4. Is it true that fluro can actualy have a positive effect on stones with a lower colour, such as H or I, and aid the brilliance etc? I think thats all for now...! Of course, the reason I ask, is I have noticed i can go up by about 20 points, without sacrificing cut and colour, (and not blowing my budget, ) if the diamond has fluoro in it. Sorry, i'm not sure who/what to ask - It's just so hard to strike the right balance between size, price and quality, especially with a budget!! ;-P Just so you all know, I have been searching for my ideal Asscher cut, but found the really great ones in my price are just a little too small for the settings that I am fond of. Below are a couple of the fluoro stones I am considering: 0.65 ct I VS1 Asscher . Report: GIA . Shape: Asscher . Carat: 0.65 . Depth %: 69.6 . Table %: 57 . Girdle: TK . Measurements: 4.78-4.71X3.28 . Polish: Very Good . Symmetry: Very Good . Culet: None . Fluorescence: Medium Blue $1116 0.6 ct D SI1 Asscher Report: GIA . Shape: Asscher . Carat: 0.60 . Depth %: 66.3 . Table %: 59 . Girdle: STK-TK . Measurements: 4.72-4.69X3.11 . Polish: Excellent . Symmetry: Very Good . Culet: None . Fluorescence: Medium Blue $1144 To be totally honest, I am concerned about going down to both an I colour in the first stone, and to SI1 in the second. Any opinions, thoughts? As a control, here is a non-fluoro stone which I also really like, and think represents great value: 0.57 ct F VS2 Asscher Report: GIA . Shape: Asscher . Carat: 0.57 . Depth %: 70 . Table %: 62 . Girdle: M-STK . Measurements: 4.58-4.56X3.19 . Polish: Very Good . Symmetry: Very Good . Culet: . Fluorescence: None Sorry guys, no photos just yet. But rest assured I am making my choices based on numerous discussions with the fantastic Storm. However, I am still very much an amature-so I welcome ALL feedback, opinions, comments, criticism, advice, anything! This is very impt to me, as I want to make my decision in the next day or so - seems like I've been looing forever! Warmest Regards I have attached image of my dream settings aswell - any feedback on whether you guys think this will work well with this kinda stone is also welcome..I'm not sure what the technical name is, but i adore the RB set into the side of the centre stone mounting of these A Jaffe designs. They are divine, but does anyone know what they're pricing is like? Sorry bout such a large post!!! I realise this is, like, 20 questions in one.. I look forward to your responses! Warmest regards xx ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/22/2008 8:20:57 AM

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P: 1/22/2008 8:56:06 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,283 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 1/22/2008 8:20:57 AM Author:arjunajane Hi everyone! I absolutely love PS and all the knowledge I've gained in just one week of mbrship! However, despite reading nearly ever link i can find and tutorials etc - there's till one thing I just can;t get - Fluorescence!!?? Can I please have your all your most Honest opinions on the presence of fluorescence in Asscher cuts?? I have done much reading on the topic, but everyone seems to have a differing opinion. Mainly Everyone says that you need to see the stone in person before making a decision. The only problem for me is , I am buying from Australia, probably from WF or GOG, so obviously for me, it is not possible :-) I f I were to decide to go with one of these stones, I would be putting a lot of faith in the vendor representing it absolutely accurately, as I won't have the advantage of viewing before purchase in different lighting etc. So, the Q's are: 1. are there specific questions I need to ask the vendor about a stone with fluorescence? Just check the colour, as on rare occasion we have seen diamonds with yellow fluorescence and there are other colours I believe. 2. are there any kind of images/lighting conditions which will help my decision? 3. Whats the difference/effect on quality between medium and faint blue? (i'm not considering strong). With faint blue, you may not notice the effects of fluorescence anyway, medium possibly, but I can only describe it as like a pretty violety blue glow in some light or some sunlight, it has many fans here! 4. Is it true that fluro can actualy have a positive effect on stones with a lower colour, such as H or I, and aid the brilliance etc? So it is said, the blue fluorescence is thought by some to have a beneficial effect on these colour grades in helping them to face up whiter. Some consider faint or medium or even strong fluorescence a positive attribute to a diamond, it is a matter of preference. Also with strong blue, it is rare for it to have a negative effect on a diamond, especially when working with a trusted vendor, they will be able to advise you on this and probably wouldn't stock or recommend a diamond with strong blue that made the stone look oily or cloudy anway. I think thats all for now...! Of course, the reason I ask, is I have noticed i can go up by about 20 points, without sacrificing cut and colour, (and not blowing my budget, ) if the diamond has fluoro in it. Sorry, i'm not sure who/what to ask - It's just so hard to strike the right balance between size, price and quality, especially with a budget!! ;-P Just so you all know, I have been searching for my ideal Asscher cut, but found the really great ones in my price are just a little too small for the settings that I am fond of. Below are a couple of the fluoro stones I am considering: 0.65 ct I VS1 Asscher . Report: GIA . Shape: Asscher . Carat: 0.65 . Depth %: 69.6 . Table %: 57 . Girdle: TK . Measurements: 4.78-4.71X3.28 . Polish: Very Good . Symmetry: Very Good . Culet: None . Fluorescence: Medium Blue $1116 0.6 ct D SI1 Asscher Report: GIA . Shape: Asscher . Carat: 0.60 . Depth %: 66.3 . Table %: 59 . Girdle: STK-TK . Measurements: 4.72-4.69X3.11 . Polish: Excellent . Symmetry: Very Good . Culet: None . Fluorescence: Medium Blue $1144 To be totally honest, I am concerned about going down to both an I colour in the first stone, and to SI1 in the second. Any opinions, thoughts? As a control, here is a non-fluoro stone which I also really like, and think represents great value: 0.57 ct F VS2 Asscher Report: GIA . Shape: Asscher . Carat: 0.57 . Depth %: 70 . Table %: 62 . Girdle: M-STK . Measurements: 4.58-4.56X3.19 . Polish: Very Good . Symmetry: Very Good . Culet: . Fluorescence: None Sorry guys, no photos just yet. But rest assured I am making my choices based on numerous discussions with the fantastic Storm. However, I am still very much an amature-so I welcome ALL feedback, opinions, comments, criticism, advice, anything! This is very impt to me, as I want to make my decision in the next day or so - seems like I've been looing forever! Warmest Regards I have attached image of my dream settings aswell - any feedback on whether you guys think this will work well with this kinda stone is also welcome..I'm not sure what the technical name is, but i adore the RB set into the side of the centre stone mounting of these A Jaffe designs. They are divine, but does anyone know what they're pricing is like? Sorry bout such a large post!!! I realise this is, like, 20 questions in one.. I look forward to your responses! Warmest regards xx Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 1/22/2008 8:56:06 AM

P: 1/22/2008 9:05:30 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Hey lorelei, good to hear from u again..thankyou for your advice - i think that settles it then! And on the stones I posted? i know, sory there are no pics just yet, as they are virtual. How about if it was you? would you consider the I colour to gain the size, or should I try to stick to H and above? I'm currently dealing with Jamie at WF, who seems really great so far. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/22/2008 9:05:30 AM

P: 1/22/2008 9:08:54 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,283 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	I would definitely go with an I to get extra size, but thats me, it might not be the right decision for you. However Jamie at WF will be able to advise you on how the I colour presents itself and also they have a good return policy in case the diamond wasn't right for you! Try to get some pics if you can. Here is a thread you might enjoy, it is of poster TierHog's stunning J colour Royal Asscher. It will give you some idea of the colour although this is a J, but bear in mind that diamonds look different in person. But I thought you would be interested to see it anyway! http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=45790 Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 1/22/2008 9:08:54 AM

P: 1/23/2008 2:39:33 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Hey lorelei, thanks SO much for the post..WOW am i ever jealous of that ring! its amazing hey. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/23/2008 2:39:33 AM

P: 1/23/2008 4:04:30 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,283 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 1/23/2008 2:39:33 AM Author: arjunajane Hey lorelei, thanks SO much for the post..WOW am i ever jealous of that ring! its amazing hey. I know, isn't it incredible??? We all had a lot of fun watching Tierhog find that baby and sharing his journey, he is also a very sweet guy! Glad you enjoyed the thread! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 1/23/2008 4:04:30 AM

P: 1/23/2008 7:20:31 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Just quietly, i hope its not rude to ask, but any idea what their budget was? I know the actual stone is way outa my league, but their setting is great! and i can't believ its a J colour! thats so white-its really made me re-think my ideas on colour. Also, Lorelei or anyone else, what is the difference between the 4 and 5 step asschers? is one better than the other? And also, what actual facets of the stones cut creates the windmill effect, such is so great in "the king" ring? cheers! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/23/2008 7:20:31 AM

P: 1/23/2008 7:25:54 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,283 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	TierHog's stunner is a Royal Asscher, these from what I understand can take some sourcing as these are rare, so there is a premium on the price, plus it depends on what the colour and clarity is, as you know that can affect the price greatly. I found this thread about RA pricing which may give you some idea, http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53267 but it is an old thread. See if this thread helps too. http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=40924 I think your best bet is to study up on ' generic' asschers so you can find one you like, it would be easier and cheaper than trying to find a Royal, unless you heart is absolutely set on one. I would contact Jon at Good old Gold, tell him what you are looking for and let him help you. He can also do some videos for you once he has found some diamonds for you, so you can get a better idea! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 1/23/2008 7:25:54 AM

P: 1/23/2008 8:00:52 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Yeah, i'm not sure if i need something that specialised..but its fun to look! What exactly is it that "makes" a royal asscher? ie. why are they better than in ideal cut etc? I have been looking through "generic" asschers for days on WF etc, and currently both jon from GOG and jamie from WF are gonna bring in some stones to check out-i'll be sure to post pics when i have them. And just with regards to my previous post, do you know much about the steps ion Asschers? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/23/2008 8:00:52 AM

P: 1/23/2008 8:13:27 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,283 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 1/23/2008 8:00:52 AM Author: arjunajane Yeah, i'm not sure if i need something that specialised..but its fun to look! What exactly is it that 'makes' a royal asscher? ie. why are they better than in ideal cut etc? I have been looking through 'generic' asschers for days on WF etc, and currently both jon from GOG and jamie from WF are gonna bring in some stones to check out-i'll be sure to post pics when i have them. And just with regards to my previous post, do you know much about the steps ion Asschers? AJ, Storm is our resident Asscher enthusiast, and as I don't want to steer you wrongly, hopefully he will see this and advise you on the steps and" windmills." A Royal Asscher is a branded cut and that is what adds to the exclusivity and price. I think this is the cutting house - Royal Asscher Cut diamond, Royal Asscher Company, Amsterdam, Netherlands. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 1/23/2008 8:13:27 AM

P: 1/23/2008 11:47:01 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	RA if you could find one in that size is a budget killer for you. It is also the wrong look for that size stone. There are really 2 different kind of steps when talking about asschers. Virtual steps or visible steps and actual steps. The actual steps are the number of rows actually cut in the stone and are commonly referred too as 3c/3p or 3 sets of crown facets and 3 sets of pavilion facets. 3c/4p would be 3 crown 4 pavilion steps. The number of actual steps does not equal the number of virtual or visible steps. A 3c/3p asscher can have more visible steps than a 3c/4p asscher. These DC models are all 3c/3p with very different looks. In a 1/2ct stone id look for a bright drop or a widestep with a narrower middle step. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/23/2008 11:47:01 AM

P: 1/23/2008 9:32:42 PM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	In a 1/2ct stone id look for a bright drop or a widestep with a narrower middle step. Once again, you're a wealth of info storm! I'm not sure if i totally understand your explanation, but I'll be sure to take your advice when viewing my stones. I'm having a couple bought in to view with Jon and one at WF today, should have pics/vids by tomorrow to post will of course want your opinions!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/23/2008 9:32:42 PM

P: 1/23/2008 9:55:49 PM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,920 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	I bought an asscher from GOG, it has strong blue fluro and is clear as day. I am thrilled with it. It's .92 and had it set in a halo setting, I wear it as a RHR. Look forward to seeing the pics you get from GOG and WF. ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 1/23/2008 9:55:49 PM

P: 1/24/2008 5:17:47 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Ok guys, so here goes...here is the Asscher from WF. 0.6 ct D SI1 , med fluor. Please, as much honest feedback as possible! I need to know what I'm looking at/looking for in the ASET images etc...? Also, is it just me, or is it very hard to judge the brilliance etc in this kinda photo? is it reasonable for me to request photos to be taken in different lighting conditions, etc? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/24/2008 5:17:47 AM

P: 1/24/2008 5:26:55 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Date: 1/24/2008 5:17:47 AM Author: arjunajane Ok guys, so here goes...here is the Asscher from WF. 0.6 ct D SI1 , med fluor. Please, as much honest feedback as possible! I need to know what I'm looking at/looking for in the ASET images etc...? Also, is it just me, or is it very hard to judge the brilliance etc in this kinda photo? is it reasonable for me to request photos to be taken in different lighting conditions, etc? sorry i'm so slow, my internet is currently shaped! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/24/2008 5:26:55 AM

P: 1/24/2008 5:30:59 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Date: 1/24/2008 5:26:55 AM Author: arjunajane Date: 1/24/2008 5:17:47 AM Author: arjunajane Ok guys, so here goes...here is the Asscher from WF. 0.6 ct D SI1 , med fluor. Please, as much honest feedback as possible! I need to know what I'm looking at/looking for in the ASET images etc...? Also, is it just me, or is it very hard to judge the brilliance etc in this kinda photo? is it reasonable for me to request photos to be taken in different lighting conditions, etc? sorry i'm so slow, my internet is currently shaped! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/24/2008 5:30:59 AM

P: 1/24/2008 5:36:12 AM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,587 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	Have you seen asscher this size? Personally I have a rule - smallest princess cut = 0.50ct Smallest Asscher 0.90ct What you see in these photo's (patterns) is way to small for the human eye to resolve. And if you can now, you will not be able to in years to come. I suggest you drop to H SI1 or SI2 and get as large a stone as possible for your budget. Also add 10% for GST. Consider a square emerald cut with smaller corners that is brighter with a bigger appearance. Ignore my rules as you please. Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 1/24/2008 5:36:12 AM

P: 1/24/2008 5:36:18 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Date: 1/24/2008 5:30:59 AM Author: arjunajane Date: 1/24/2008 5:26:55 AM Author: arjunajane Date: 1/24/2008 5:17:47 AM Author: arjunajane Ok guys, so here goes...here is the Asscher from WF. 0.6 ct D SI1 , med fluor. Please, as much honest feedback as possible! I need to know what I'm looking at/looking for in the ASET images etc...? Also, is it just me, or is it very hard to judge the brilliance etc in this kinda photo? is it reasonable for me to request photos to be taken in different lighting conditions, etc? sorry i'm so slow, my internet is currently shaped! So thats the lot, for now, thoughts? Also, the specs on the sarin are a little bit off what was advertised on the site, such as the measurements, depth and table-not much, but is this normal? Last question - I want to have claws/prongs with RB's in them that sit on each corner of the stone when i have my setting made -sorta like Tierhogs, but not quite as "chunky" of course. - is this size stone too small for that? I've started Leaning more toward 0.72 - 0.75ish. I know this is gonna change my original budget quite a bit - but I figure, what the hey?! if i'm gonna do this thing, better do it right, right? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/24/2008 5:36:18 AM

P: 1/24/2008 5:49:19 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Date: 1/24/2008 5:36:12 AM Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) Have you seen asscher this size? Personally I have a rule - smallest princess cut = 0.50ct Smallest Asscher 0.90ct What you see in these photo's (patterns) is way to small for the human eye to resolve. And if you can now, you will not be able to in years to come. I suggest you drop to H SI1 or SI2 and get as large a stone as possible for your budget. Also add 10% for GST. Consider a square emerald cut with smaller corners that is brighter with a bigger appearance. Ignore my rules as you please. Thanks so much for posting gary, I appreciate your input. To be honest, I haven't been able to see very many asschers in person at all - in Perth, WA where I live, there aren't many at all retail - I have considered Jogia Diamonds, but so far haven't been able to make it i there. Perhaps you could be inclined to help me find a better choice? To be honest, I agree with you that i need to go larger, but honestly, I have very very small hands, so from waht i've found 0.7 to 0.8 should be ok. I carat honestly looks HUGE on me! I am more than happy to drop to H/I, but I think to be "mindclean", i don't want any lower than SI1 - unless of course, in an SI2, it was some very small inclusion that could be covered by a claw etc.. Also , from what i have learnt, I am fine to go with faint to med fluro, to keep the price down - unless you have a different opinion? Ideally, as the settings I'm fond os are not cheap, I really wanna spend no more than $2000US on the best possible stone - am i being realistic? I'm aware of the 10% for GSt, thanks .sigh :-( I would love some help, as I have been looking through So many e-stones and, to be honest, am starting to feel abit overwhelmed! I currently have Jon from GOG also bringing in a couple, but I'm afraid that, in my budget at least, it seems a stone from him is only gonna be 0.5 to 0.6 max? I'm not sure if this is just my experience? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/24/2008 5:49:19 AM

P: 1/24/2008 5:54:29 AM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,587 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	A 0.60ct asscher looks like a 0.45ct round size. You are headed for heart break. It is not about your hand size, it is about the look of the diamond. The 10% GST gets you a great education system and ploice force. /shame about the hspoital ques, but that is mostyl free too. Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 1/24/2008 5:54:29 AM

P: 1/24/2008 6:33:39 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,788 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	Date: 1/24/2008 5:54:29 AM Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) A 0.60ct asscher looks like a 0.45ct round size. You are headed for heart break. It is not about your hand size, it is about the look of the diamond. The 10% GST gets you a great education system and ploice force. /shame about the hspoital ques, but that is mostyl free too. Hey gary, its good to hear from a fellow cynical aussie, he heh. So, from what you're saying, am I getting 'i;m wasting my timKee?keep in mind, this isn;t a engagemnet ring, just a pressie to be worn as a RHR. I agree with you that 0.6 is too small - Can you pls give some advice on what would be a good price i could expect to pay online for about 0.8 to 0.9ish, colour down to H/I, clarity SI1...ok, or maybe SI2. I guess its not like I'm a purist like my fellow P.S's!! Also, your opinions on diamond exchange melb? their prices seem reasonable...If you wanna be an absolute champ, you could do a quick search on that site for me in the parameters we've discussed, and suggest which ones are good? Also, I got some stats on ideal table vs depth % etc from storm earlier - I'm confused though, will these figures change as the size goes up? example of what i'm talking about: Carat 0.71 Colour G Clarity SI1 Total Depth 60.40 Pavilion Depth 47.80 Table 67.40 Dimensions 5.155.133.10 Crown Angle 38.30 Pavilion Angle 0.00 Girdle 1.50 Culet Fluorescence N Lustre VG Polish VG Symmetry VG Cut Square ICE Excellent Report MGR* This stone as listed as "Ice excellent" on melb diamond exchange - however, is it just my inexperience, or isn't the depth supposed to be more than the table? and another one: Carat 0.84 Colour H Clarity SI1 Total Depth 70.50 Pavilion Depth 48.50 Table 62.30 Dimensions 5.115.013.53 Crown Angle 45.80 Pavilion Angle 0.00 Girdle 4.40 Culet Fluorescence N Lustre VG Polish VG Symmetry VG Cut Square ICE Excellent Report MGR* Here, the depth is over 70%, which jamie from WF told me this would be undesirable. However, does this change from a 0.6 to 0.85 etc? I know I'm asking alot of obscure Q's , but i really need the help! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/24/2008 6:33:39 AM

P: 1/24/2008 6:45:24 AM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,587 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	ajJane I am a professional on this board and can and will not give price info or discuss or recommend vendors. Bad form. I can and do comment on individual diamonds. The info you gave me has only one bit of info that is useful. The first stone has too thin a girdle for my liking. Cut wise (my field) there is no information that is useful there. Get images or use an appraiser (valuer here in Oz) Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 1/24/2008 6:45:24 AM

P: 1/24/2008 6:52:34 AM
RLG Cut Rock Total Posts: 313 Last Post: 7/10/2009 Member Since: 1/22/2007	Hi! I dont have a lot of technical knowledge to impart on you but just wanted to chime in about color. We recently bought an I colored asscher from GOG and couldn't be happier with it. It faces up very white and you can see minimal warmth on the side if you place it on a white piece of paper. However its going in a setting not on a piece of paper so the top down view is all I care about. There is a picture on pricescope somewhere in its temp holding. Good luck and I hope you find a diamond that you love. -RLG
Posted: 1/24/2008 6:52:34 AM

P: 1/24/2008 6:55:51 AM
RLG Cut Rock Total Posts: 313 Last Post: 7/10/2009 Member Since: 1/22/2007	http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=74713 These are not very good pictures but maybe they will help.
Posted: 1/24/2008 6:55:51 AM

P: 1/24/2008 9:38:23 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 1/24/2008 5:26:55 AM Author: arjunajane Date: 1/24/2008 5:17:47 AM Author: arjunajane Ok guys, so here goes...here is the Asscher from WF. 0.6 ct D SI1 , med fluor. Please, as much honest feedback as possible! I need to know what I'm looking at/looking for in the ASET images etc...? Also, is it just me, or is it very hard to judge the brilliance etc in this kinda photo? is it reasonable for me to request photos to be taken in different lighting conditions, etc? sorry i'm so slow, my internet is currently shaped! pass on that one you can see the background thru a large area of the center of the stone in this pic and the others confirm it. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/24/2008 9:38:23 AM

P: 1/24/2008 9:47:33 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 1/24/2008 5:36:12 AM Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) Have you seen asscher this size? Personally I have a rule - smallest princess cut = 0.50ct Smallest Asscher 0.90ct What you see in these photo's (patterns) is way to small for the human eye to resolve. And if you can now, you will not be able to in years to come. I suggest you drop to H SI1 or SI2 and get as large a stone as possible for your budget. Also add 10% for GST. Consider a square emerald cut with smaller corners that is brighter with a bigger appearance. Ignore my rules as you please. si only if visible inclusions are ok finding an eyeclean si asscher is a needle in a haystack and will cost a fortune in call in fees A drop style asscher helps with the visible pattern issue. Id drop color before going si if forced too. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/24/2008 9:47:33 AM

P: 1/24/2008 10:07:20 AM
GGGIA Rough Rock Total Posts: 2 Last Post: 1/24/2008 Member Since: 11/28/2006	Fluorescence can be detrimental to the look and value of a diamond, Asscher or not. When can it be a negative? Fluorescence is a negative when the diamond exhibits an oily or hazy look to the diamond and will surely affect price. Why else would there be a price difference? I believe you did say you found a larger stone for less money, only it had Fluorescence? Ask yourself why. If you are in a position to do so, I suggest you go see the diamond in question with your own eyes and compare it to one without Fluorescence. After all seeing is believing! If the Fluorescent diamond is not hazy or milky, your choice may then be obvious. Good Luck!
Posted: 1/24/2008 10:07:20 AM

P: 1/24/2008 10:13:37 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 1/24/2008 10:07:20 AM Author: GGGIA Fluorescence can be detrimental to the look and value of a diamond, Asscher or not. When can it be a negative? Fluorescence is a negative when the diamond exhibits an oily or hazy look to the diamond and will surely affect price. Why else would there be a price difference? I believe you did say you found a larger stone for less money, only it had Fluorescence? Ask yourself why. If you are in a position to do so, I suggest you go see the diamond in question with your own eyes and compare it to one without Fluorescence. After all seeing is believing! If the Fluorescent diamond is not hazy or milky, your choice may then be obvious. Good Luck! overblues are rare even in very strong fluorescence stones. They can easily be weeded out. That attitude towards them is why they are cheaper. Personaly give me some fluorescence even very strong and take some cost off the top :} I win!!! btw if your in the trade you are required to state that in your sig. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/24/2008 10:13:37 AM

P: 1/24/2008 1:52:01 PM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,587 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	Date: 1/24/2008 9:47:33 AM Author: strmrdr Date: 1/24/2008 5:36:12 AM Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) Have you seen asscher this size? Personally I have a rule - smallest princess cut = 0.50ct Smallest Asscher 0.90ct What you see in these photo's (patterns) is way to small for the human eye to resolve. And if you can now, you will not be able to in years to come. I suggest you drop to H SI1 or SI2 and get as large a stone as possible for your budget. Also add 10% for GST. Consider a square emerald cut with smaller corners that is brighter with a bigger appearance. Ignore my rules as you please. si only if visible inclusions are ok finding an eyeclean si asscher is a needle in a haystack and will cost a fortune in call in fees A drop style asscher helps with the visible pattern issue. Id drop color before going si if forced too. Storm you keep saying this and you are wrong. w,r,o,n,g look at lots of asschers (3 weeks ago I looked at about 100 .90ct-3ct SI2-VS2) - and you will learn you are wrong. And surely you do not agree about small center stone asschers? Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 1/24/2008 1:52:01 PM

P: 1/24/2008 2:42:19 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 1/24/2008 1:52:01 PM Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) Storm you keep saying this and you are wrong. w,r,o,n,g look at lots of asschers (3 weeks ago I looked at about 100 .90ct-3ct SI2-VS2) - and you will learn you are wrong. And surely you do not agree about small center stone asschers? If you visit a cutter and sit down and go thru several hundred stones you may find an eyeclean too eyecleanish si but the vast majority are not. Calling them in one at a time is a losing proposition. I know someone with a .5ct asscher center and .3 sides, they love it. While it doesn't have the impact of a 1ct it is no worse or smaller than a princess of the same weight. I'm on record as saying that in under .5 ct or so I prefer rounds or EC so in some ways I agree with you but if someone wants a .5ct asscher and finds a well cut one then I have no problem with it. If someone was looking for a .33ct for a center Id steer then too an emerald cut which in that size appear larger. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/24/2008 2:42:19 PM

P: 1/24/2008 3:51:10 PM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	Date: 1/24/2008 2:42:19 PM Author: strmrdr Date: 1/24/2008 1:52:01 PM Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) Storm you keep saying this and you are wrong. w,r,o,n,g look at lots of asschers (3 weeks ago I looked at about 100 .90ct-3ct SI2-VS2) - and you will learn you are wrong. And surely you do not agree about small center stone asschers? If you visit a cutter and sit down and go thru several hundred stones you may find an eyeclean too eyecleanish si but the vast majority are not. Calling them in one at a time is a losing proposition. I know someone with a .5ct asscher center and .3 sides, they love it. While it doesn't have the impact of a 1ct it is no worse or smaller than a princess of the same weight. I'm on record as saying that in under .5 ct or so I prefer rounds or EC so in some ways I agree with you but if someone wants a .5ct asscher and finds a well cut one then I have no problem with it. If someone was looking for a .33ct for a center Id steer then too an emerald cut which in that size appear larger. A square step cut would do a good job of appearance on a 1/2 or 1/3 carat... ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 1/24/2008 3:51:10 PM

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