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 I need opinions on this RB please

P:  1/9/2008 6:11:04 PM  
Kay
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I am considering this diamond from Whiteflash, and would like your opinions.  It would be set in a four-prong pendant.  It looks pretty good to me, but I want to make sure I am not overlooking anything.  Based on the pictures, it is clearly not an H&A (nor is it priced as one) because a few of the arrows are distorted.  I love the pictures of diamonds with sharp, clean arrows that are posted here, but will it make much difference in normal viewing conditions?  Do you really see those arrows clearly IRL?  The symmetry is only very good, but I have been told I will not see a difference between VG and excellent.


Also, I am not an expert at “reading” IS images.  Should I be concerned that the middle area (the circle just inside the arrow heads) is a light red/pink rather than dark red? 


The price is comfortably within budget, so I could spend a little more for a better cut.  However, I know stones in this size are rare and I really like the combo of F color and medium blue fluorescence. 


The HCA score is 0.7 or 0.9 (depending on whether I use the GIA report #s or the Sarin #s), within the TIC range, EX/EX/EX/VG.

WF says the stone is eyeclean and beautiful.  Are there any other images or information I should request?


GIA report info:


Round Brilliant


Measurements: 6.28 - 6.30 x 3.82 mm
Carat Weight: 0.91
Color Grade: F
Clarity Grade: SI2
Cut Grade: Excellent


Proportions:
Depth: 60.7 %
Table: 57 %
Crown Angle: 34.5°
Crown Height: 15 %
Pavilion Angle: 40.6°
Pavilion Depth: 43 %
Star length: 50 %
Lower Half: 80 %
Girdle: Medium, Faceted
Culet: None


Finish:
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: Medium Blue


Clarity Characteristics: Twinning Wisp, Feather



Posted:  1/9/2008 6:11:04 PM

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P: 1/9/2008 6:16:40 PM
Kay
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40X image:


 

 

Posted:  1/9/2008 6:16:40 PM
P: 1/9/2008 6:18:15 PM
Kay
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Sarin Report:

 

 

Posted:  1/9/2008 6:18:15 PM
P: 1/9/2008 6:24:36 PM
Ellen
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Kay, that will make a beautiful pendant! I think you're just fine with this stone.


p.s. Great size!

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Posted:  1/9/2008 6:24:36 PM
P: 1/9/2008 6:30:21 PM
Kay
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Here is the ASET:


 

 

Posted:  1/9/2008 6:30:21 PM
P: 1/9/2008 6:32:51 PM
Kay
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Date: 1/9/2008 6:24:36 PM
Author: Ellen
Kay, that will make a beautiful pendant! I think you're just fine with this stone.


p.s. Great size!

Thanks, Ellen!  I tried on a 0.93 at Tiffany and loved the size (I didn't have the nerve to ask to see the cert. for the diameter though).  Of course, I wouldn't mind going bigger, but the price jump is substantial.

Posted:  1/9/2008 6:32:51 PM
P: 1/9/2008 6:45:35 PM
Ellen
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Date: 1/9/2008 6:32:51 PM
Author: Kay

Thanks, Ellen! I tried on a 0.93 at Tiffany and loved the size (I didn't have the nerve to ask to see the cert. for the diameter though). Of course, I wouldn't mind going bigger, but the price jump is substantial.
Yes. And that's what makes this one so nice. It's definitely going to give the look of at least 1 ct.

I can't wait to see it, and you're welcome!

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"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/9/2008 6:45:35 PM
P: 1/10/2008 5:34:38 AM
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Date: 1/9/2008 6:24:36 PM
Author: Ellen
Kay, that will make a beautiful pendant! I think you're just fine with this stone.


p.s. Great size!

Ditto, gorgeous choice!!!









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Posted:  1/10/2008 5:34:38 AM
P: 1/10/2008 10:39:24 AM
Kay
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Date: 1/10/2008 5:34:38 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 1/9/2008 6:24:36 PM
Author: Ellen
Kay, that will make a beautiful pendant! I think you're just fine with this stone.


p.s. Great size!

Ditto, gorgeous choice!!!

Thanks, Lorelei!

Posted:  1/10/2008 10:39:24 AM
P: 1/10/2008 10:44:19 AM
Kay
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Any other opinions out there?  If this is the one, I need to pull the trigger later today.  I am both excited and nervous.

Can anyone explain to me why on the IS the center circle (just inside the arrow heads) is a lighter red than the outer circle?  (On the ASET, it is reversed and the inner circle is a darker red.)  Does lighter red mean less light return in that area?  I know this stone won't have the edge-to-edge light return of an eightstar (which I love) but I'd like to come as close as possible. 

Posted:  1/10/2008 10:44:19 AM
P: 1/10/2008 11:17:58 AM
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I think it would make a lovely pendant! I'm not a big-time expert but I think as long as you don't see white spots in the center of the IS, it's okay. I think I have read in the past that the intensity of the color in an IS is not a factor. Any experts want to chime in on her IS question?

Posted:  1/10/2008 11:17:58 AM
P: 1/10/2008 11:27:44 AM
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Date: 1/10/2008 10:44:19 AM
Author: Kay
Any other opinions out there? If this is the one, I need to pull the trigger later today. I am both excited and nervous.

Can anyone explain to me why on the IS the center circle (just inside the arrow heads) is a lighter red than the outer circle? (On the ASET, it is reversed and the inner circle is a darker red.) Does lighter red mean less light return in that area? I know this stone won't have the edge-to-edge light return of an eightstar (which I love) but I'd like to come as close as possible.

I think it could be the table reflection you are seeing, this is normal.  You can see it more on the ASET, the IS image and ASET are excellent and nothing to worry about!









Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be...
- Stephanie M Thorn

Posted:  1/10/2008 11:27:44 AM
P: 1/10/2008 11:30:13 AM
Ellen
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Kay, it could be a few things (harmless), honestly, you have nothing to worry about with this stone. It's fine!

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-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/10/2008 11:30:13 AM
P: 1/10/2008 2:20:53 PM
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Ditto above comments - it looks beautiful!

Posted:  1/10/2008 2:20:53 PM
P: 1/10/2008 6:16:55 PM
Kay
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Thank you all for your help.  I thought it looked good, but it is nice to have reassurance on a purchase of this size.

This actually happened much more quickly than I expected it to.  I thought it would take several weeks to find a diamond that met my cut, size, color and clarity specs.  I emailed Bob Monday night telling him what I was looking for because I did not see anything on the WF website.  Tuesday morning, he emailed me info on 3 diamonds he found searching the lists.  I gave him the go ahead to order this one because we both thought it looked like the best of the 3 on paper.  By yesterday afternoon, I had all the pictures.  It was really amazingly fast service by WF.

I am really excited.  Now I just have to finalize my setting choice tonight so I can give the go ahead to have it set.

Posted:  1/10/2008 6:16:55 PM

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