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P: 1/9/2008 10:58:59 AM
newbie124 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 584 Last Post: 5/24/2009 Member Since: 8/23/2007	So I have one more day left to decide if we're going to keep this WF stone or get something else. I've been waiting for the Idealscope on this other diamond and finally received it. How do you guys think it compares to the one I have? The only thing I'm concerned about w/ this 2nd stone is that the diameter measurements are 6.93-7.01mm, which seems like a big difference to me, but it did get a GIA excellent symmetry rating, so... I think I posted the measurements before, but here they are again for easy comparison: 1.28 G SI1 Depth%: 62 Table%: 56 Crown: 35 Pavilion: 40.8 Girdle: medium HCA: 1.6 (ex-ex-ex-vg)
Posted: 1/9/2008 10:58:59 AM

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P: 1/9/2008 11:02:09 AM
newbie124 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 584 Last Post: 5/24/2009 Member Since: 8/23/2007	Here's the Ideal for the WF stone:
Posted: 1/9/2008 11:02:09 AM

P: 1/9/2008 11:03:06 AM
Skippy123 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 19,823 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 11/24/2006	Looks good to me Beautiful stone!! Skippy "The only things that stand between a person and what they want in life are the will to try it, and the faith to believe it's possible" Rich Devos
Posted: 1/9/2008 11:03:06 AM

P: 1/9/2008 11:30:30 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	The only thing I'm concerned about w/ this 2nd stone is that the diameter measurements are 6.93-7.01mm, which seems like a big difference to me Actually this is fine and well within tight tolerances, it is still a very finely cut and tuned diamond. Both of them are superb diamonds, may I ask why you would like to consider changing the original diamond? Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 1/9/2008 11:30:30 AM

P: 1/9/2008 12:39:01 PM
newbie124 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 584 Last Post: 5/24/2009 Member Since: 8/23/2007	Date: 1/9/2008 11:30:30 AM Author: Lorelei Actually this is fine and well within tight tolerances, it is still a very finely cut and tuned diamond. Both of them are superb diamonds, may I ask why you would like to consider changing the original diamond? Thanks, Lorelei! I'm mostly stuck on the size issue. I know it's a matter of millimeters (not even...more like tenths of a millimeter), but when I saw stones closer to 7mm next to ours, I kind of liked that size better. A couple days ago we saw a "Very Good" cut 6.94-ish diamond and an "Excellent" cut 7.04 diamond next to ours. I couldn't tell a size difference b/t the 6.94, but there was a somewhat noticeable difference against the 7.04. (Oddly enough, the 7.04 was also G color, but you could tell a difference b/t ours and that one...even though when we compared it to an E before, I couldn't tell...neither stone had fluorescence). The price difference is $1000 more for the 2nd stone. It's table is also slightly larger (56 vs. 54) so that might also make it appear a little larger. The 7.04 local diamond was $2000 more, which I felt was too much to justify the slight upgrade. But $1000 difference is a little more tempting...I'm figuring it couldn't hurt to at least check out the 2nd stone and compare side by side to see if in person one looks better than the other?
Posted: 1/9/2008 12:39:01 PM

P: 1/10/2008 5:43:24 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	I see, the other diamond may be more ' mind clean' for you - nothing wrong with that! These are 2 excellent diamonds and you can't go wrong with either, so go with the one which will make you happiest! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 1/10/2008 5:43:24 AM

P: 1/10/2008 11:26:47 PM
newbie124 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 584 Last Post: 5/24/2009 Member Since: 8/23/2007	Thanks, Lorelei! Ugh, it's such a HARD decision!! I saw the 2nd stone in person today. They are very similiar...however, side by side, the second one is ever so slightly larger to the eye and also sparkles a little more white b/c the table is larger than the first stone. Color-wise, they are both the same. However, I think the smaller table on the original stone makes it face up a bit darker (I did tend to notice this when comparing it to some of the retail stones). The appraiser tried to help us decide by mixing up the diamonds then presenting them side by side and asking me to choose immediately the one that caught my eye the most. Although it was sometimes difficult to tell them apart, I did end up picking out the 2nd stone I think 5 or 6 times in a row :) My boyfriend admitted that he has grown an attachment to the 1st stone b/c we've had it for so long but during the test, he even picked the 2nd stone once even though he wanted to pick stone 2. So, I think if the prices were the same, I would go w/ stone 2 and be totally happy. HOWEVER, the rub is that the 2nd stone is $1000 more And I just can't figure out if the minute differences, which are mostly noticeable when we compare side by side, justify a $1000 price increase. BF says he doesn't think so, even though he's originally the one who wanted a bigger stone...But I don't know. I just don't want to make a decision either way then continue to second guess my choice...Both stones are well within our budget (even after the setting cost), but $1,000 is still $1,000...There are just so many ways to look at both sides of the argument, that I'm driving myself crazy! Any suggestions for what you would do in my position? I guess since we're buying through WF our upgrade options are fairly flexible. But I try not to think about that too much b/c w/ the setting that I want (a cushion halo), it's going to be a bit more complicated to switch out stones so I wouldn't want to do it too often or too soon.
Posted: 1/10/2008 11:26:47 PM

P: 1/10/2008 11:37:00 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	Gosh, that is a big price difference for such a tiny size difference. But I do like a 56 table better. So I'd probably go for the second one if it is as clean as the first. ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 1/10/2008 11:37:00 PM

P: 1/11/2008 12:39:49 AM
newbie124 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 584 Last Post: 5/24/2009 Member Since: 8/23/2007	Date: 1/10/2008 11:37:00 PM Author: diamondseeker2006 Gosh, that is a big price difference for such a tiny size difference. But I do like a 56 table better. So I'd probably go for the second one if it is as clean as the first. Yes, I know But I think it's b/c the ct weight difference is 1.28 vs 1.22, even though the diameters are pretty close. The second stone has one feather near the edge but faces up eye clean. The first stone has more inclusions scattered around, but is also pretty eye clean and nothing on the table. I've been doing some comparisons on Pricescope and I haven't seen anything else currently available w/in the $1000 range that's as good as what we have. Either the polish/symmetry aren't both excellent, or the size is smaller, or there are more significant inclusions. So I guess I'm saying that I'm still undecided! :)
Posted: 1/11/2008 12:39:49 AM

P: 1/11/2008 5:52:24 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Whew, this is a tough one!! I think you have to let your eyes and heart advise you, how do you feel now that you have had some time to reflect on both diamonds, which one do you keep thinking of? Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 1/11/2008 5:52:24 AM

P: 1/11/2008 8:03:47 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 1/11/2008 12:39:49 AM Author: newbie124 Yes, I know But I think it's b/c the ct weight difference is 1.28 vs 1.22, even though the diameters are pretty close. The second stone has one feather near the edge but faces up eye clean. The first stone has more inclusions scattered around, but is also pretty eye clean and nothing on the table. I've been doing some comparisons on Pricescope and I haven't seen anything else currently available w/in the $1000 range that's as good as what we have. Either the polish/symmetry aren't both excellent, or the size is smaller, or there are more significant inclusions. So I guess I'm saying that I'm still undecided! :) It has been said by many true experts that the naked/untrained eye cannot see the difference the between these and Very Good. I would definitely consider stones with VG Sym and Pol if everything else looked right. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 1/11/2008 8:03:47 AM

P: 1/11/2008 11:28:02 AM
newbie124 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 584 Last Post: 5/24/2009 Member Since: 8/23/2007	Date: 1/11/2008 5:52:24 AM Author: Lorelei Whew, this is a tough one!! I think you have to let your eyes and heart advise you, how do you feel now that you have had some time to reflect on both diamonds, which one do you keep thinking of? Well...I do keep thinking about that other one now, b/c I did like it when I saw them side by side. It's really the cost that is the major hang up. I think I'm going to pop over to the appraiser's again at lunch time to get another look (it's cloudy today, but at least it might help to see them in some daylight) and verify if I can really tell a difference when the stones are held up one at a time instead of side by side, since in "real life" I won't have a side by side comparison. Crossing my fingers that this will work and my gut will tell me to go one way or the other!
Posted: 1/11/2008 11:28:02 AM

P: 2/1/2008 6:50:58 PM
isis~goddess Cut Rock Total Posts: 384 Last Post: 4/28/2009 Member Since: 9/5/2007	i think mine sparkles more in the halo, no it does not look darker. it is surrounded by micropave, of the same color. if your halo consists of whiter diamonds, then it's going to look darker. my table is 58.5%. i can't comment on the shadow blocked light theory you got going. i dont see that happening on mine. i tried out a darker stone once and set it into a halo with really white diamonds, that made stone look almost brown. im willing to bet its a color issue.
Posted: 2/1/2008 6:50:58 PM

P: 2/1/2008 7:56:29 PM
ImpatientOne Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,185 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 10/19/2006	Ohh how I feel your pain! I should have stopped looking at diamonds after I found my new one. It truly is gorgeous, but I found one that is a little bigger and two grades higher for $2k more. In a way, I can't wait untin the 30 day return period is over so that I won't have a choice, lol!!! I hate the way I agonize over decisions like this, always second guessing myself!!! I hope you figure it out! ImpatientOne
Posted: 2/1/2008 7:56:29 PM

P: 2/1/2008 11:03:56 PM
newbie124 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 584 Last Post: 5/24/2009 Member Since: 8/23/2007	Thanks, ImpatientOne. Glad to know I'm not the only one going through this!! Yeah, I hope I figure it out soon, too I'm so eager to get to designing the setting then getting engaged so I can start planning the wedding (officially, that is)! ;)
Posted: 2/1/2008 11:03:56 PM

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