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Keppi Ideal Proportions?

P: 12/22/2007 2:40:39 AM
N2D-986S Rough Rock Total Posts: 68 Last Post: 10/22/2008 Member Since: 10/24/2007	Has anyone heard of a round brilliant diamond having "Keppi Ideal Proportions"? I am home at my parents house and was talking with my mom about her diamond that my dad got her in 1989 and she pulled out the appraisal from when it was purchased, I don't think they have an official cert (at least they can't find it). On the appraisal it lists the diamond as a 1.66ct. Round Brilliant cut diamond then it says "Make - Keppi Ideal Proporations" for the cut. I searched the forums as well as google as a whole and can't find a single thing on a "Keppi" cut or proportions. Does anyone have any idea what that is? I am trying to explain to them the differences between cuts and they have stumped me on theirs :)
Posted: 12/22/2007 2:40:39 AM

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P: 12/22/2007 10:23:43 AM
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004	are you sure it says 'keppi'? who wrote the appraisal? (•.Έ(`•.ΈΈ.•΄)Έ.•) ¨`•.Έ belleΈ.• ΄¨ (Έ.•(Έ.•΄ `•.Έ)•.Έ)
Posted: 12/22/2007 10:23:43 AM

P: 12/22/2007 11:48:46 AM
N2D-986S Rough Rock Total Posts: 68 Last Post: 10/22/2008 Member Since: 10/24/2007	It was done by the jewler who my Dad bought the ring from in 1989 - Molenaars Jewelers in Boise Idaho. Yes, I double checked it, Keppi Ideal Porporations is exactly what it says. I have found absolutly nothing on the web about Keppi. Would there be some sort of cut or ideal porportions that sounds like Keppi?
Posted: 12/22/2007 11:48:46 AM

P: 12/22/2007 11:52:19 AM
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004	yes, there would be something like it. i think the jeweler was likely referring to 'kappi' as in lazare kaplan. (•.Έ(`•.ΈΈ.•΄)Έ.•) ¨`•.Έ belleΈ.• ΄¨ (Έ.•(Έ.•΄ `•.Έ)•.Έ)
Posted: 12/22/2007 11:52:19 AM

P: 12/22/2007 12:00:13 PM
N2D-986S Rough Rock Total Posts: 68 Last Post: 10/22/2008 Member Since: 10/24/2007	Belle, Thank you for letting me know they probably meant Kappi, but I did a search for Kappi on PS as well as google and nothing comes up. Do you know anything about a Kappi ideal proportion cut?
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:00:13 PM

P: 12/22/2007 12:04:10 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Date: 12/22/2007 11:48:46 AM Author: N2D-986S It was done by the jewler who my Dad bought the ring from in 1989 - Molenaars Jewelers in Boise Idaho. Yes, I double checked it, Keppi Ideal Porporations is exactly what it says. I have found absolutly nothing on the web about Keppi. Would there be some sort of cut or ideal porportions that sounds like Keppi? It rings a bell - but I may be thinking of Eppler, a German gemologist, and his contributions are pretty old. He published a set of "ideal" proportions almost eighty years ago. It was very crown-heavy, as most Euro styles were, and is not anywhere near Tolkowsky in terms of that term today. Some years later Eppler did revise his optimal proportions to more closely resemble the American ideal, but called this set "practical fine cut." Following up on Belle's idea, here is more on LK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazare_Kaplan_International John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:04:10 PM

P: 12/22/2007 12:25:07 PM
N2D-986S Rough Rock Total Posts: 68 Last Post: 10/22/2008 Member Since: 10/24/2007	John, thank you for the info! I don't have any experience with Old World Cuts so I don't know what they look like but briefly looking at the stone last night I did see what looked like an arrow or two, I don't know if OWC have that feature or not but it sounds like it would be closer to an ideal Tolkowsky cut from the 80's, so not modern but hopefully still good. I am going to try to see if it has the laser inscribed girdle that the Lazare website states has been on every one of their diamonds since 1985.
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:25:07 PM

P: 12/22/2007 12:48:47 PM
Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,866 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001	Actually I believe the full name is Keppi Keiger and happens to be one of the finest cutting houses (to my knowledge) so Keppi would actually be correct. Lazare Kaplan is a more popular name but the 2 are not to be confused. I've seen firescope images of Keppi's diamonds before and they looked real sweet from what I can recall. Rhino Good Old Gold
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:48:47 PM

P: 12/22/2007 12:52:30 PM
Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,866 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001	I had the spelling wrong. Here's a link that'll help. http://www.keppiekiger.com/ I did have the pleasure of meeting these folks and inspecting their goods at a JA show and I recall what I saw now. Kind regards, Rhino Good Old Gold
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:52:30 PM

P: 12/22/2007 12:52:51 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Date: 12/22/2007 12:48:47 PM Author: Rhino Actually I believe the full name is Keppi Keiger and happens to be one of the finest cutting houses (to my knowledge) so Keppi would actually be correct. Lazare Kaplan is a more popular name but the 2 are not to be confused. I've seen firescope images of Keppi's diamonds before and they looked real sweet from what I can recall. I'd wager Rhino is correct. I'm not familiar with this company (spelling seems to be Keppie Kiger Rhino?) but it was quickly found on the 'net. http://www.keppiekiger.com/ John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:52:51 PM

P: 12/22/2007 12:53:52 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Looks like Jon wins the prize. No "e" in it though, but you still win. http://www.keppiekiger.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:53:52 PM

P: 12/22/2007 12:54:55 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	John beat me, but not by much. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:54:55 PM

P: 12/22/2007 12:56:35 PM
Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,866 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001	Date: 12/22/2007 12:54:55 PM Author: Ellen John beat me, but not by much. ahem... and I'm chopped meat? I beat John. Haha Rhino Good Old Gold
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:56:35 PM

P: 12/22/2007 12:56:56 PM
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004	glad we got that all straighted out! sorry for the lil detour there! at least we got you bumped up there and got an answer! (•.Έ(`•.ΈΈ.•΄)Έ.•) ¨`•.Έ belleΈ.• ΄¨ (Έ.•(Έ.•΄ `•.Έ)•.Έ)
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:56:56 PM

P: 12/22/2007 12:58:05 PM
Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,866 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001	LOL... no matter dear. It's all good. If I don't get a chance to hop back on here Merry Christmas! You too John! Rhino Good Old Gold
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:58:05 PM

P: 12/22/2007 1:00:43 PM
Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,866 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001	Date: 12/22/2007 12:52:51 PM Author: JohnQuixote Date: 12/22/2007 12:48:47 PM Author: Rhino Actually I believe the full name is Keppi Keiger and happens to be one of the finest cutting houses (to my knowledge) so Keppi would actually be correct. Lazare Kaplan is a more popular name but the 2 are not to be confused. I've seen firescope images of Keppi's diamonds before and they looked real sweet from what I can recall. I'd wager Rhino is correct. I'm not familiar with this company (spelling seems to be Keppie Kiger Rhino?) but it was quickly found on the 'net. http://www.keppiekiger.com/ LOL John... by 21 seconds! Rhino Good Old Gold
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:00:43 PM

P: 12/22/2007 1:03:40 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 12/22/2007 12:56:35 PM Author: Rhino Date: 12/22/2007 12:54:55 PM Author: Ellen John beat me, but not by much. ahem... and I'm chopped meat? I beat John. Haha lol True, and you won the prize too. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:03:40 PM

P: 12/22/2007 1:04:35 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	After looking at their site a bit this is a supplier, not a retailer. I have seen them at trade shows as KK. As Rhino says, good quality products. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:04:35 PM

P: 12/22/2007 1:12:35 PM
Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,866 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001	Now Ellen... John and I were wondering ... what prize do we get exactly? Rhino Good Old Gold
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:12:35 PM

P: 12/22/2007 1:13:01 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Date: 12/22/2007 12:56:35 PM Author: Rhino Date: 12/22/2007 12:54:55 PM Author: Ellen John beat me, but not by much. ahem... and I'm chopped meat? I beat John. Haha Drat. I'm never informed when it's a contest. In the interest of fair play I forfeit any awards. Rhino can also have credit for my bit about Eppler if it makes his holidays brighter. Seaon's greetings to all of you too. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:13:01 PM

P: 12/22/2007 1:18:02 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 12/22/2007 1:12:35 PM Author: Rhino Now Ellen... John and I were wondering ... what prize do we get exactly? -------> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:18:02 PM

P: 12/22/2007 1:51:17 PM
N2D-986S Rough Rock Total Posts: 68 Last Post: 10/22/2008 Member Since: 10/24/2007	Everyone, thank you for the help! I actually just got off the phone with the person who appraised the diamond almost 20 years ago and they told me the same thing, it is the supplier of the diamond, looks like you guys beat me to the post, thank you very much for the info. Rhino, it is also great to hear that they do have high quality products so if it was a Keppie ideal cut I would assume it is a great diamond! Thank you for the background! Everyone have a great Christmas / Holiday and Thanks Again!
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:51:17 PM

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