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 Opinions on these 2 diamonds?

P:  11/5/2007 5:20:14 PM  
faid2black
faid2black

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hey everyone, first of all i'm new here and want to say thanks for all the good info on this site =D

it is about time for me to really start looking at diamonds for my gf, and have essentially narrowed things down like this:

i'm giving myself a budget of around $6000 for the diamond. I want to get 1ct, and ideal cut (or close to it). the other stuff i can sacrifice on, but don't want to go lower than H or VS2. These two diamonds stood out to me and i was wondering what your opinions were on them...

whiteflash

bluenile

i probably am not going to buy either of these exact stones since i won't be ready to buy for at least a few weeks, so i'm mostly using your feedback as a guideline to use when it comes time. if you have some other suggestions, please throw em at me!!!

TIA
Posted:  11/5/2007 5:20:14 PM

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P: 11/5/2007 6:26:43 PM
faid2black
faid2black

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for those of you who don't like links ;-)

diamond 1:

Shape: Round Ideal Cut
Carat: 1.00
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
Depth %: 60.8
Table %: 57
Star : 55
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion %: 43
Lower Girdle %: 75
Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
Measurements: 6.46-6.49X3.94
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None

diamond 2:

Cut: Ideal
Color: H
Clarity: VS1
Depth %: 60.3%
Table %: 60%
Symmetry: Excellent
Polish: Very good
Girdle: Medium to slightly thick
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 6.47 x 6.50 x 3.91 mm

Posted:  11/5/2007 6:26:43 PM
P: 11/5/2007 6:35:50 PM
Ellen
Ellen

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Hi f2b,

The WF stone is perfect, nothing wrong there at all.

The BN stone is pretty good too, the only thing I notice is that the table is slightly larger than what most of us look for. It's not bad, but at that size, you will lose a bit of fire, and the stone will in turn give off more white light. Some people love this look, it's not a bad thing, just different.

If you want to get a nice mix of fire and white light, try and stay in the 54-57, maybe to 58 range.

Other than that, you seem to be on the right track!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  11/5/2007 6:35:50 PM
P: 11/5/2007 6:56:00 PM
faid2black
faid2black

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thanks for the encouragement ellen =)

interesting, i guess i've missed a few things in research (table size). thanks for pointing that out!!!

so, if the BN diamond had a table size equal to the WF one, would you consider them pretty much equal?

my other concern was the thin-medium facet on the WF diamond. from what i've read, i should be looking to get med-slightly thick? in your opinions, are the thin-medium facets sufficient?

thanks again!!!

Posted:  11/5/2007 6:56:00 PM
P: 11/5/2007 7:07:31 PM
gontama
gontama

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Date: 11/5/2007 6:56:00 PM
Author: faid2black
thanks for the encouragement ellen =)

interesting, i guess i've missed a few things in research (table size). thanks for pointing that out!!!

so, if the BN diamond had a table size equal to the WF one, would you consider them pretty much equal?

my other concern was the thin-medium facet on the WF diamond. from what i've read, i should be looking to get med-slightly thick? in your opinions, are the thin-medium facets sufficient?

thanks again!!!

I would personally recommend to get their signature ideal stones if you choose one from BN. Although BN does not provide as much information as desired, their SI stones are nice H&A. Many come with AGS and some with GIA, along with extra CGL report. Their SIs are nice and you have 30 days to inspect the stone yourself or with an independent appraiser.

If you plan to upgrade the stnoe in the future ... stick with WF - my 2 cents.

Posted:  11/5/2007 7:07:31 PM
P: 11/5/2007 7:16:15 PM
diamondseeker2006
diamondseeker2006

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Date: 11/5/2007 6:56:00 PM
Author: faid2black
thanks for the encouragement ellen =)

interesting, i guess i've missed a few things in research (table size). thanks for pointing that out!!!

so, if the BN diamond had a table size equal to the WF one, would you consider them pretty much equal?

my other concern was the thin-medium facet on the WF diamond. from what i've read, i should be looking to get med-slightly thick? in your opinions, are the thin-medium facets sufficient?

thanks again!!!

Regarding the girdle, ideal can be thin, medium, or slightly thick.  The color is better on the WF stone in addition to the cut being ideal.  Stick with ideal cut just to be safe. WF has a trade-up policy and BN does not, so if you ever wanted to upgrade color, size, etc., you could at WF. So between these two, it is not a hard decision.

The other measurements that are important are crown and pavilion angle, and that is very important if you are considering buying from a vendor that does not give you idealscope photos, etc.




~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~

Posted:  11/5/2007 7:16:15 PM
P: 11/5/2007 7:17:31 PM
Ellen
Ellen

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Date: 11/5/2007 6:56:00 PM
Author: faid2black
thanks for the encouragement ellen =)

interesting, i guess i've missed a few things in research (table size). thanks for pointing that out!!!

so, if the BN diamond had a table size equal to the WF one, would you consider them pretty much equal?

my other concern was the thin-medium facet on the WF diamond. from what i've read, i should be looking to get med-slightly thick? in your opinions, are the thin-medium facets sufficient?

thanks again!!!
Well, maybe. The thing is, GIA rounds their numbers, so we don't know what they truly are (and BN won't tell you). Also, they lack IS pics, so it's not really comparing apples with apples. Those are pretty "safe" numbers though. In searching for GIA stones, John Q made a kind of "cheat sheet" for crown/pavillion angles that will help. I would suggest, if you decide on a GIA BN stone, take it to an independent appraiser to make sure it checks out (since they don't give as much info).

http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=55849&pageNo=2

As far as girdles, thin-med.-slightly thick, faceted or not, are all fine.


And you're very welcome!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  11/5/2007 7:17:31 PM
P: 11/5/2007 7:18:12 PM
faid2black
faid2black

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very good to know!! i've heard good things about both co's but will definitely take that into consideration.

i've been speaking with someone at WF and they've been extremely helpful so far, so i'm kinda leaning towards them anyways

the SI's are a bit out of my budget, though i bet they are impressive. at least they sound it

Posted:  11/5/2007 7:18:12 PM
P: 11/5/2007 7:30:49 PM
faid2black
faid2black

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Member Since: 11/5/2007
 
o wow thanks everyone for the input, it's really helpful

i was not aware of the trade-up policy at WF, that really does put them higher on my list (and they also give more info )

so do you all agree that the WF diamond is a pretty nice stone?

i'm really considering this one now

Posted:  11/5/2007 7:30:49 PM
P: 11/5/2007 7:33:30 PM
Ellen
Ellen

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Date: 11/5/2007 7:30:49 PM
Author: faid2black
o wow thanks everyone for the input, it's really helpful

i was not aware of the trade-up policy at WF, that really does put them higher on my list (and they also give more info )

so do you all agree that the WF diamond is a pretty nice stone?

i'm really considering this one now
Very nice, seriously.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  11/5/2007 7:33:30 PM
P: 11/5/2007 7:38:22 PM
gontama
gontama

Cut Rock
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Last Post: 12/23/2007
Member Since: 6/2/2007
 
Date: 11/5/2007 7:30:49 PM
Author: faid2black
o wow thanks everyone for the input, it's really helpful

i was not aware of the trade-up policy at WF, that really does put them higher on my list (and they also give more info )

so do you all agree that the WF diamond is a pretty nice stone?

i'm really considering this one now

Yes, it is a nice stone. It is highly likely that this one is better than the other BN/Ideal you posted. Get this one, and you will be happy.

Posted:  11/5/2007 7:38:22 PM

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