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P: 10/19/2007 2:23:34 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	If anyone who knows a little more than I do has time to have a look, is there a diamond in the price comparison (.23 ct. max, D, VS1) that is a better buy than this one? There are only two pages of results that appear for those characteristics ranging up to $751, but even if my budget allowed for it, none of those diamonds seem to be any better than the one I've found based off the information available. .23 ct. GIA certified Excellent cut D color VS1 VG Polish VG Symmetry No Cutlet MB Fluorescence (don't mind as long as Blue and medium or less) 59 Table 60.2 Depth 34 crown angle 40.8 Pavillion angle HCA 1.4 TIC (says it's a candidate for both the AGS0 range in addition to the existing GIA Excellent grade) Even if I didn't consider price, this seems to be the best diamond of the bunch, no? Or close to it?
Posted: 10/19/2007 2:23:34 PM

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P: 10/19/2007 2:30:52 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	Sorry my search criteria was (.23 ct., D-E, VS1-VS2). Ahh I'm so close to buying the one I mentioned. None of these seem to be as good and they range up to $751.
Posted: 10/19/2007 2:30:52 PM

P: 10/19/2007 2:32:01 PM
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,144 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005	so you're looking for a .20-.23 D VS1?
Posted: 10/19/2007 2:32:01 PM

P: 10/19/2007 2:35:25 PM
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,144 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005	http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD00140078 This one if you wanna go for a full 1/4 ct. Why .23? http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD01014111
Posted: 10/19/2007 2:35:25 PM

P: 10/19/2007 3:28:52 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	It's a promise ring, i'm pretty sure she wants a traditional 4 prong setting, and I want to keep it from looking like an engagement ring by keeping the diamond short of 1/4 ct.
Posted: 10/19/2007 3:28:52 PM

P: 10/19/2007 3:34:41 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	If I'm reading the angle numbers right on the AGS report, the first one you mentioned only gets a 5.1 on the HCA. It's also only an E instead of a D. And I would like to keep it around .20-.24.
Posted: 10/19/2007 3:34:41 PM

P: 10/19/2007 3:38:53 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	If I were interested in a .25, that second one you sent was pretty nice : / Still leaning toward the original unless someone comes up with something better by the end of the day. Thanks for your help though.
Posted: 10/19/2007 3:38:53 PM

P: 10/19/2007 3:45:46 PM
lyra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,763 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/13/2007	My daughter has a promise ring with a .25 stone. You are not going to see very much of a difference between the .23 and .25, but the BN .25 above is much cheaper--you could go for a more unique setting perhaps with the extra $. You could also go down to an F or G and not notice the difference in colour. It's up to you of course.
Posted: 10/19/2007 3:45:46 PM

P: 10/19/2007 3:51:38 PM
:) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,864 Last Post: 6/1/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2006	Date: 10/19/2007 3:34:41 PM Author: Chase035 If I'm reading the angle numbers right on the AGS report, the first one you mentioned only gets a 5.1 on the HCA. It's also only an E instead of a D. And I would like to keep it around .20-.24. It's okay, it got a 0 for light performance. HCA is a weeding tool, AGS light performance based testing gave it a zero. Also to consider in a stone that size, you would be hard pressed to tell a difference between a D and an E (and I daresay you would not be able to), esp once set - this could save you a little bit of $. Since it is a promise ring, not an engagement ring and you are trying not to have it taken as engagement ring, have you considered a different type of stone (or a different type of ring style)? I suggest considering this, because I think most would agree that it doesn't matter what size the diamond is, it will still look like an engagement ring to the casual observer (and there certainly are plenty of people who have 1/4 carat stones for their e rings). Just to consider...
Posted: 10/19/2007 3:51:38 PM

P: 10/19/2007 3:53:45 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	No actually, the one I'm considering is only $362 for a similarly excellent cut (1.4 TIC, GIA Excellent) and a D VS1 instead of the E VS1. I know what you're saying about the sizes being similar, but at 1/4 ct. it leaves my comfort zone .25 is also considered a beginner engagement ring. Yes, I am a guy who doesn't want to think about the M word for a few years
Posted: 10/19/2007 3:53:45 PM

P: 10/19/2007 3:54:32 PM
whatmeworry Ideal Rock Total Posts: 855 Last Post: 8/30/2009 Member Since: 5/24/2006	Date: 10/19/2007 3:34:41 PM Author: Chase035 If I'm reading the angle numbers right on the AGS report, the first one you mentioned only gets a 5.1 on the HCA. It's also only an E instead of a D. And I would like to keep it around .20-.24. On the first one, the scan of the report is really bad. You can verify the angles 34.7/40.8 by checking the report on AGSLs website. It gets a 1.4 HCA.
Posted: 10/19/2007 3:54:32 PM

P: 10/19/2007 3:56:53 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	Good point about the shape and setting, but I've gotten little hints about a round solitairre promise ring. So that's what I'm working with right now. So .20-.24 (for my comfort), D-E, VS1-VS2. I can't find a diamond in the entire price comparison for those specs that seems like its any better than the one I mentioned at the top. And that ones only $362.
Posted: 10/19/2007 3:56:53 PM

P: 10/19/2007 3:59:32 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	Oh okay, thanks What Me Worry. Still, the first one is only $362. I guess I can afford to go higher, but I can't find anything significantly better to warrant the higher price.
Posted: 10/19/2007 3:59:32 PM

P: 10/19/2007 4:10:17 PM
whatmeworry Ideal Rock Total Posts: 855 Last Post: 8/30/2009 Member Since: 5/24/2006	Well it's certainly the cheapest of the bunch using the search function. Make sure you have a good return policy and check the effect of the fluoresence when you get it. Good luck.
Posted: 10/19/2007 4:10:17 PM

P: 10/19/2007 4:29:32 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	yea, it's blue nile so it has a 30 day return policy. They had a look at it and the blue fluorescence doesn't have any oily or cloudy effect. I think she'll actually like that about it. And I don't want the cheapest, not if $50-$125 more gets me something significantly better. I'm just not finding that.
Posted: 10/19/2007 4:29:32 PM

P: 10/19/2007 6:27:33 PM
lyra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,763 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/13/2007	Sorry, I misread your opening post. I thought that you were saying that the diamond was $751. Doh! You know, if you don't want it to look too much like an engagement ring (and that's a valid and good point), have you thought about adding coloured sidestones? BN has some, but I think Excel has less expensive settings. I'd have to look that up. I think it's exceldiamonds.com? ETA: Nope, it wasn't Excel. Their settings start at $250. Don't know what your looking to spend.
Posted: 10/19/2007 6:27:33 PM

P: 10/19/2007 8:05:08 PM
Sharon101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 919 Last Post: 8/24/2009 Member Since: 9/5/2007	Date: 10/19/2007 3:28:52 PM Author: Chase035 It's a promise ring, i'm pretty sure she wants a traditional 4 prong setting, and I want to keep it from looking like an engagement ring by keeping the diamond short of 1/4 ct. At the size you are looking at it wont really look any different 23 points or 25 points. Also, the design is what makes it look like an er, eg. the 4 prong setting is er setting imo. Have you looked around for the finnished rings in any shops. Sometimes you can get a good deal on the tiny diamond rings that are already set. Good luck!
Posted: 10/19/2007 8:05:08 PM

P: 10/19/2007 8:05:23 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	Already have a setting : )
Posted: 10/19/2007 8:05:23 PM

P: 10/19/2007 8:11:06 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	I know what you're saying Sharon but the promise rings in shops often use J-M color stones in I1-I3 clarity. She'll like the idea that I've put it all together and the setting is what she wanted (simple prong setting). So ct. weight is all can adjust. And I want something nice (working with a budget around $650 give or take). So I'm basically down to the last step. Picking out the best 4mm stone I can fit in my budget. Surprisingly, it seems to be the one for $362, since none of the others that come up for .23, D-E, VS1-VS2 are any better. It really seems to be a perfect fit. I just wanted to give anyone the chance to convince me otherwise.
Posted: 10/19/2007 8:11:06 PM

P: 10/19/2007 8:19:15 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	I knew nothing about diamonds two months ago. I've been researching diligently since then and really feel like this is exactly what I'm looking for since the only comparable stones I've ever found (.23, D, VS1, GIA Excellent or AGS0, good HCA score (1.4 TIC)) have priced in the low $500s or higher. Just wanted some reassurances from the mob.
Posted: 10/19/2007 8:19:15 PM

P: 10/19/2007 8:43:32 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	So you already have a setting that has the right size head for a 4mm stone? I am going to have to agree with those who said that a diamond solitaire will appear to be an engagement ring. And it sounds like your girlfriend wants it to look like one. And I promise, you would not be able to see the difference in a .23 and .25. In fact, they could be the exact same diameter depending on the depth. ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 10/19/2007 8:43:32 PM

P: 10/19/2007 9:01:14 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	Already have a 4mm setting. And yea, realize you can't tell the difference between 3.97 mm and 4.1 mm. But isn't peace of mind worth something. Weren't you 22 once? Plus most promise rings (in the macy's, fortunoffs, zales, etc.) are either little 1/10 ct. flowery designs or mounted solitairres. So I don't think she'll be the only one with a mounted 4 prong promise ring.
Posted: 10/19/2007 9:01:14 PM

P: 10/19/2007 9:05:31 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	Anyway, my only concern was the diamond itself. Not the size. I was just wondering if I've found the best stone available in the specified range. Based on the lack of alternatives offered, I think I might have done really well for someone who was completely clueless a month ago.
Posted: 10/19/2007 9:05:31 PM

P: 10/19/2007 9:12:23 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	I think it will be lovely! You did a good job! ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 10/19/2007 9:12:23 PM

P: 10/19/2007 9:58:47 PM
Fly Girl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,758 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 1/9/2007	Date: 10/19/2007 9:01:14 PM Author: Chase035 Already have a 4mm setting. And yea, realize you can't tell the difference between 3.97 mm and 4.1 mm. But isn't peace of mind worth something. Weren't you 22 once? Plus most promise rings (in the macy's, fortunoffs, zales, etc.) are either little 1/10 ct. flowery designs or mounted solitairres. So I don't think she'll be the only one with a mounted 4 prong promise ring. This whole thread just makes me smile. I got married at 22. My engagement ring was a 0.21 ct diamond set in a simple four prong setting. Now, you say that's only a promise ring. Well, in a way, I guess mine was a promise ring, too. Good luck to you and her. Sounds like a nice stone. And, thanks for triggering some great memories! **** Life is a Journey, not a Destination. ****
Posted: 10/19/2007 9:58:47 PM

P: 10/20/2007 12:00:49 PM
Sharon101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 919 Last Post: 8/24/2009 Member Since: 9/5/2007	Date: 10/19/2007 8:11:06 PM Author: Chase035 I know what you're saying Sharon but the promise rings in shops often use J-M color stones in I1-I3 clarity. She'll like the idea that I've put it all together and the setting is what she wanted (simple prong setting). So ct. weight is all can adjust. And I want something nice (working with a budget around $650 give or take). So I'm basically down to the last step. Picking out the best 4mm stone I can fit in my budget. Surprisingly, it seems to be the one for $362, since none of the others that come up for .23, D-E, VS1-VS2 are any better. It really seems to be a perfect fit. I just wanted to give anyone the chance to convince me otherwise. I think she will love it!!!! Maybe with the extra budget left over you could go to a special restuarant or buy a bracelet from Tiffanys which seems to be the king of romance. In Australia Ive never heard of promise rings. Im guessing its a promise to get engaged???? Anyway, I remember the feeling of waiting for the proposal.....Im glad Im over that hoop now and on the other side. Waiting for upgrade is much less stressful!!!
Posted: 10/20/2007 12:00:49 PM

P: 10/21/2007 8:25:11 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	Actually, its more of a just because. A promise to always be there for her, no matter where our relationship takes us in the next few years.
Posted: 10/21/2007 8:25:11 PM

P: 10/22/2007 12:28:39 PM
aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002	I think you've done very well, and it appears to be a good choice. Very nicely done. Want to also add......I respect that the 'under .25 ct.' is a "mind-clean" thing for you, and plenty of PSers have other mind-clean hangups. Just as some people prefer VS even when there's no VISUAL difference in clarity, I think it's important to be respectful of your 'mind-clean' decision to stick with a size that is in your comfort level for your peace of mind. Kudos to you for not being swayed by the masses. _____________________ Note: Chainsaw Not Sold Separately.
Posted: 10/22/2007 12:28:39 PM

P: 10/22/2007 12:47:29 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 10/22/2007 12:28:39 PM Author: aljdewey I think you've done very well, and it appears to be a good choice. Very nicely done. Want to also add......I respect that the 'under .25 ct.' is a 'mind-clean' thing for you, and plenty of PSers have other mind-clean hangups. Just as some people prefer VS even when there's no VISUAL difference in clarity, I think it's important to be respectful of your 'mind-clean' decision to stick with a size that is in your comfort level for your peace of mind. Kudos to you for not being swayed by the masses. Surely you jest. Chase, it will be a lovely ring, you did good! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 10/22/2007 12:47:29 PM

P: 10/22/2007 6:10:06 PM
aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002	Date: 10/22/2007 12:47:29 PM Author: Ellen Date: 10/22/2007 12:28:39 PM Author: aljdewey and plenty of PSers have other mind-clean hangups. Surely you jest. MOI??????????? _____________________ Note: Chainsaw Not Sold Separately.
Posted: 10/22/2007 6:10:06 PM

P: 10/26/2007 7:05:45 PM
Chase035 Cut Rock Total Posts: 100 Last Post: 12/6/2008 Member Since: 10/18/2007	So the promise ring is finally done. Posting pics in the other forum. Thanks for the help everyone.
Posted: 10/26/2007 7:05:45 PM

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