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Portrait diamonds... ultra flat?

P: 10/1/2007 9:01:22 PM
Ninama Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,039 Last Post: 11/6/2008 Member Since: 7/30/2007	Forgive me if this topic has been opened and closed already - I've never seen these before. I do recall DiaGem's post about "ultra flat" diamonds. Are these the same thing? A "portrait" diamond with G.I.A. certificate "DVS2" mounted in platinum as a ring with a delicate support set with tiny diamonds. 1 "DVS2" diamond 2.60 ct Tiny diamonds 0.48 ct Total Diamonds 3.08 ct _________________________________ "Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without..." Confucius
Posted: 10/1/2007 9:01:22 PM

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P: 10/1/2007 9:04:00 PM
Ninama Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,039 Last Post: 11/6/2008 Member Since: 7/30/2007	A "portrait" diamond with G.I.A. certificate "DVS1" mounted in platinum as a ring with six fine tapered diamonds on the sides. 1 "DVS1" diamond 1.49 ct 6 diamonds 1.24 ct Total Diamonds 2.73 ct _________________________________ "Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without..." Confucius
Posted: 10/1/2007 9:04:00 PM

P: 10/1/2007 9:35:05 PM
angeline Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,942 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 7/23/2006	Ooohh weird! I can see why they're called 'portrait' Looks like it's just waiting for someone to paint somehting on it!
Posted: 10/1/2007 9:35:05 PM

P: 10/1/2007 9:55:54 PM
somethingshiny Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,653 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2007	I was thinking it was because you could see a picture through it! * "Life is change. Growth is optional. Choose wisely." ~ Karen Kaiser Clark *
Posted: 10/1/2007 9:55:54 PM

P: 10/1/2007 9:57:01 PM
bill83 Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 6/26/2008 Member Since: 9/30/2007	thats different. Doesn't look like as much fun as a cut that flashes light back like a well cut round.
Posted: 10/1/2007 9:57:01 PM

P: 10/1/2007 9:58:26 PM
diamondfan Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,999 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 6/17/2005	Looks like it is missing something for sure! **************************** "There is no such thing as fun for the whole family-there are no massage parlors with ice cream and free jewelry" Jerry Seinfeld
Posted: 10/1/2007 9:58:26 PM

P: 10/1/2007 10:10:27 PM
Circe Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,847 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/26/2007	Heh - as I recall, that's actually how they got their names. Cut out of flat rough, "portrait" diamonds were typically used in conjunction with finely painted miniatures. I remember that the most famous example is from a bracelet owned by the Romanov's ... ETA: I can't seem to find a picture of it online, but here's a description from a NYT review of a museum exhibition on the Imperial jewels: "Then there is ''The Portrait Diamond,'' dating from around 1820. Said to be the biggest table-cut (flat) diamond in the world, it weighs about 27 carats. Like a piece of glass, it covers a miniature portrait of Alexander I (ruled 1801-25) set into a shield-shaped memorial bracelet of gold elaborately adorned with ivory and enamel work."
Posted: 10/1/2007 10:10:27 PM

P: 10/1/2007 10:33:01 PM
Ninama Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,039 Last Post: 11/6/2008 Member Since: 7/30/2007	Ahhhh .... ah hah. http://www.mieks.com/Faberge2/Kelch-Eggs/Kelch-1898-Hen-Egg.htm _________________________________ "Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without..." Confucius
Posted: 10/1/2007 10:33:01 PM

P: 10/6/2007 6:30:10 AM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	Date: 10/1/2007 10:10:27 PM Author: Circe Heh - as I recall, that's actually how they got their names. Cut out of flat rough, 'portrait' diamonds were typically used in conjunction with finely painted miniatures. I remember that the most famous example is from a bracelet owned by the Romanov's ... ETA: I can't seem to find a picture of it online, but here's a description from a NYT review of a museum exhibition on the Imperial jewels: 'Then there is 'The Portrait Diamond,' dating from around 1820. Said to be the biggest table-cut (flat) diamond in the world, it weighs about 27 carats. Like a piece of glass, it covers a miniature portrait of Alexander I (ruled 1801-25) set into a shield-shaped memorial bracelet of gold elaborately adorned with ivory and enamel work.' ., Circe, you are correct..., it was used historically to cover fine miniatures or as the Shah Jahan as a Diamond ornament... read: http://famousdiamonds.tripod.com/shahjahantablecutdiamond.html My Avatar is an Antique Portrait cut Diamond... ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 10/6/2007 6:30:10 AM

P: 10/7/2007 4:45:04 AM
Gypsy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,306 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 8/9/2005	How can the Romanov one be the largest 'table cut' diamond in the world when this one is 175 carat's minimum? Maybe it is the largest 'portrait' diamond... ie, one used to cover a portrait? This one looks like a mirror... and is as large as some! http://famousdiamonds.tripod.com/darya-i-nurdiamond.html
Posted: 10/7/2007 4:45:04 AM

P: 10/7/2007 6:47:55 AM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	Date: 10/7/2007 4:45:04 AM Author: Gypsy How can the Romanov one be the largest 'table cut' diamond in the world when this one is 175 carat's minimum? Maybe it is the largest 'portrait' diamond... ie, one used to cover a portrait? This one looks like a mirror... and is as large as some! http://famousdiamonds.tripod.com/darya-i-nurdiamond.html The jewels of the Russian tsars have (if i remember) two "Diamond covered miniatures"...., they are covered with 27+ carats of a type of portrait cut or if you prefer table cut Diamonds... One of them is owned by SJ Phillips in London..., (a miniature of Tsar Alexander I). The greatest table cut was once documented by Tavernier as a 400 +/- carat pinkish table cut Diamond..., which was disappeared or re-cut to (maybe) the Darya-I-Nur which is currently part of the Persian Crown Jewels... Hope this helps clear things... ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 10/7/2007 6:47:55 AM

P: 10/7/2007 7:15:35 AM
oldminer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,966 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/4/2000	We saved a portrait cut diamond from a small faced lady's watch for the 1910 period some years ago. It was used as a watch crystal. It was very clear in clarity but somewhat brownish in color. The faceting around the beveled edge was similar to brilliant cut style rather than step cut. More than a few lady's high grade wrist watches of the very early 1900's had diamond crystals, but I have only ever seen 2 of them. David S. Atlas GG(GIA), ASG, Sr. Mbr. NAJA www.datlas.com
Posted: 10/7/2007 7:15:35 AM

P: 10/7/2007 11:35:19 AM
Ninama Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,039 Last Post: 11/6/2008 Member Since: 7/30/2007	Thanks, guys... those are amaaaazing pieces. Very interesting history, too. _________________________________ "Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without..." Confucius
Posted: 10/7/2007 11:35:19 AM

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