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 2.01 carat cushion...Price

P:  8/8/2007 2:25:47 PM  
ailysys
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i'm buying a 2.01 carat cushion Brilliant and paying $15,000 do you think that this price is accurate based on the stats?
7.94x6.41x4.89mm

color:H
clarity:Vs1
depth: 76.3%
table: 57%
Girdle: Med to ETK1 F
culet: large
polish:good
symm: good
fuor:faint

thanks for the help

 


Posted:  8/8/2007 2:25:47 PM

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P: 8/8/2007 3:37:17 PM
Lorelei
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Welcome!

Is it a GIA graded diamond?  The grading lab can have an impact on price, you can use the search tool Pricescope your Diamond at the top of the page to get a feel for prices, just enter in shape, grading lab and your colour and clarity, this will bring up similar for you to compare.









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Posted:  8/8/2007 3:37:17 PM
P: 8/8/2007 3:45:20 PM
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Date: 8/8/2007 2:25:47 PM
Author:ailysys
i'm buying a 2.01 carat cushion Brilliant and paying $15,000 do you think that this price is accurate based on the stats?
7.94x6.41x4.89mm
color:H
clarity:Vs1
depth: 76.3%
table: 57%
Girdle: Med to ETK1 F
culet: large
polish:good
symm: good
fuor:faint


Whoa ... have you seen this stone? I see 1/2 dozen things that don't sit well w/me from the stats alone. For starters: seems VERY deep, very long & narrow, probably hiding weight in the girdle which affects spread (looking smaller than it should) and cut (not as sparkly possibly) ... LARGE culet is unusual in "brilliant" cut cushions ... and just "good" polish & sym kinda means "fair" ... most folks around here seek VG at a minimum.

What Lab is the cert from? Have you seen a lot of other cushions to compare??

Posted:  8/8/2007 3:45:20 PM
P: 8/8/2007 4:43:31 PM
ailysys
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It's GIA
that's kind of what i was worried about, i didn't think that the stats really agreed with the price.  i saw it, it looks nice, i just don't know if it's great.  i don't know much about diamonds, but i want to make the best of my money

Posted:  8/8/2007 4:43:31 PM
P: 8/8/2007 7:07:30 PM
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Date: 8/8/2007 3:45:20 PM
Author: decodelighted

Whoa ... have you seen this stone? I see 1/2 dozen things that don't sit well w/me from the stats alone. For starters: seems VERY deep, very long & narrow, probably hiding weight in the girdle which affects spread (looking smaller than it should) and cut (not as sparkly possibly) ... LARGE culet is unusual in 'brilliant' cut cushions ... and just 'good' polish & sym kinda means 'fair' ... most folks around here seek VG at a minimum.


What Lab is the cert from? Have you seen a lot of other cushions to compare??


I mostly agree with deco (as usual)-- lots of red flags here...

Two asides, though: First, antique and old-style cushions are often certed as "cushion brilliants" and often have slightly large-large culets. So, if this is in fact a old-style stone, the culet may not be a problem if that is the "look" you desire. The same goes for the Pol/Sym to a certain extent, as i found it hard to locate old-style stones, especially antiques, that are VG/VG, although G/VG or VG/G are out there.

My basic point is that there are some issues here, but a few might not be as concerning depending on the type of facet plot we are talking about.

Posted:  8/8/2007 7:07:30 PM
P: 8/9/2007 3:49:58 AM
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Date: 8/8/2007 3:45:20 PM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 8/8/2007 2:25:47 PM
Author:ailysys
i'm buying a 2.01 carat cushion Brilliant and paying $15,000 do you think that this price is accurate based on the stats?
7.94x6.41x4.89mm
color:H
clarity:Vs1
depth: 76.3%
table: 57%
Girdle: Med to ETK1 F
culet: large
polish:good
symm: good
fuor:faint


Whoa ... have you seen this stone? I see 1/2 dozen things that don't sit well w/me from the stats alone. For starters: seems VERY deep, very long & narrow, probably hiding weight in the girdle which affects spread (looking smaller than it should) and cut (not as sparkly possibly) ... LARGE culet is unusual in 'brilliant' cut cushions ... and just 'good' polish & sym kinda means 'fair' ... most folks around here seek VG at a minimum.

What Lab is the cert from? Have you seen a lot of other cushions to compare??
If this is an Antique type Cushion (based on the large culet)..., the depth could be ok (especialy if the crown height is high!!!)
The ratio of this stone is 1:1.23 (not considered long and narrow).

I am reminding all: be carefull not to discourage consumers that come to PS to educate themselves by identifying the Diamonds
 (asked by them) as problematic! Especialy Diamonds that must be seen/judged with the eyes!!!

This specific Cushion has a GOOD chance to being a great Diamond. But must be judged with the eyes.



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Posted:  8/9/2007 3:49:58 AM
P: 8/9/2007 4:13:44 AM
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DG is right - it could be an intersesting stone.
It will not have a huge spread, but there are fans here of the fire that such stones produce.
 

 

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Posted:  8/9/2007 4:13:44 AM
P: 8/9/2007 4:23:23 AM
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Date: 8/9/2007 4:13:44 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
DG is right - it could be an intersesting stone.
It will not have a huge spread, but there are fans here of the fire that such stones produce.
Thanks Garry...
But it could look completely different also...

But VERY interesting image...., why tilted?

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Posted:  8/9/2007 4:23:23 AM
P: 8/9/2007 7:09:00 AM
Garry H (Cut Nut)
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cause it looked better

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Posted:  8/9/2007 7:09:00 AM
P: 8/9/2007 7:14:01 AM
ailysys
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ok so i've decided against the other diamond, mostly because i just didn't love it. so i'm looking at a smaller diamond now, tell me what you think.

1.80 carat Modified Brilliant cushion

Color H
Clarity Vs2
Depth 68.8%
Table 62%
Girdle- Thin to Ex thick
culet-none
polish and symm- good
fl- faint
i'm getting it for 12,500

Posted:  8/9/2007 7:14:01 AM
P: 8/9/2007 7:32:51 AM
Lorelei
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Again it is really up to your own eyes if you can see this diamond, if you love it then it is worthy of real consideration! 









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- Stephanie M Thorn

Posted:  8/9/2007 7:32:51 AM
P: 8/9/2007 7:34:57 AM
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Date: 8/9/2007 7:09:00 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
cause it looked better
That's another issue for a new thread...

Care to start?

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Posted:  8/9/2007 7:34:57 AM
P: 8/9/2007 7:41:06 AM
Garry H (Cut Nut)
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Date: 8/9/2007 7:14:01 AM
Author: ailysys
ok so i've decided against the other diamond, mostly because i just didn't love it. so i'm looking at a smaller diamond now, tell me what you think.

1.80 carat Modified Brilliant cushion

Color H
Clarity Vs2
Depth 68.8%
Table 62%
Girdle- Thin to Ex thick
culet-none
polish and symm- good
fl- faint
i'm getting it for 12,500

We need images - lots of images Ailysys.

Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT

HCA and Ideal-scope developer

http://www.ideal-scope.com and
http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au

Posted:  8/9/2007 7:41:06 AM

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