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P: 7/5/2007 2:25:25 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	I have chosen an ACA diamond from Whiteflash which scored .6 on the HCA. I didn't realise what this would mean with regards to head obstruction when I am looking at the diamond. I thought anything under 2 would be a pretty good choice. What I am wondering is - would it be worth changing my choice (they have only just received my diamond back today) and picking something with a HCA score of more than 1 but less than 2? I spend a lot of time looking at my ring and I don't want to see a lot of dark shadows all the time. This is the diamond I chose originally: http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-25927.htm# I would be willing to get one from WF's Expert Selection range if it means I would avoid the dark shadow thing. I don't have a lot more money to spend just now. I could probably put another $100 - $150 into it. (not a lot I know!) I saw this one and it looks like it could be a good choice and it scores 1.1 http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-232070.htm# Would the difference in the head obstruction thing be noticible enough to warrant changing the diamond? Or am I just being silly?
Posted: 7/5/2007 2:25:25 PM

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P: 7/5/2007 2:32:09 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Does it looks too dark up close? at 34.2/40.6 it shouldn't be a huge issue and it already passed Brian's inspection. edit: I read it as you had it, if it hasn't left WF ask for an appointment to go over the stone with Brian. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 7/5/2007 2:32:09 PM

P: 7/5/2007 2:37:01 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	I personally would choose the second one. The color is better and it is a tiny bit larger than the other. The cut is great. It just looks like it got excellent instead of ideal on polish and symmetery which is no big deal. I'd go for as big a stone as you can get while you're upgrading! ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 7/5/2007 2:37:01 PM

P: 7/5/2007 2:38:55 PM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,905 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	Date: 7/5/2007 2:37:01 PM Author: diamondseeker2006 I personally would choose the second one. The color is better and it is a tiny bit larger than the other. The cut is great. It just looks like it got excellent instead of ideal on polish and symmetery which is no big deal. I'd go for as big a stone as you can get while you're upgrading! Ditto. ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 7/5/2007 2:38:55 PM

P: 7/5/2007 2:42:23 PM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,303 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	Oh gosh, Maisie, I'm sorry for making you second guess your choice. That said, I like the second one too.
Posted: 7/5/2007 2:42:23 PM

P: 7/5/2007 2:56:18 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 7/5/2007 2:32:09 PM Author: strmrdr Does it looks too dark up close? at 34.2/40.6 it shouldn't be a huge issue and it already passed Brian's inspection. edit: I read it as you had it, if it hasn't left WF ask for an appointment to go over the stone with Brian. Ditto, and have him compare it to the other one. Then have him pick. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 7/5/2007 2:56:18 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:05:18 PM
whatmeworry Ideal Rock Total Posts: 855 Last Post: 8/30/2009 Member Since: 5/24/2006	well I did purchase an ACA that scored a 0.6 and has a pavillion angle of 40.6. I honestly do not see any difference between that and something that scores 1.2 or 1.8 or 2.2, etc. etc. on the HCA. And you know, I have a pretty big head.
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:05:18 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:06:10 PM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	Date: 7/5/2007 2:56:18 PM Author: Ellen Date: 7/5/2007 2:32:09 PM Author: strmrdr Does it looks too dark up close? at 34.2/40.6 it shouldn't be a huge issue and it already passed Brian's inspection. edit: I read it as you had it, if it hasn't left WF ask for an appointment to go over the stone with Brian. Ditto, and have him compare it to the other one. Then have him pick. double ditto, really both stones look lovely and I don't think you can go wrong here.
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:06:10 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:09:19 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	Even if the cuts were exactly the same, I'd rather have a little larger G SI1 than a smaller I VS2, assuming that SI1 is totally eyeclean, of course. ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:09:19 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:14:20 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	Oh Maisie, just $100 more than that G stone will get you above .80 cts! http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-283295.htm# ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:14:20 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:22:42 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	Date: 7/5/2007 3:14:20 PM Author: diamondseeker2006 Oh Maisie, just $100 more than that G stone will get you above .80 cts! http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-283295.htm# That one scores 1.8...... will this be better? But its ex vg vg vg
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:22:42 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:24:31 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	Well, it looks great in every respect to me!!! I think mentally it will mean a lot to you to go over the .80 mark, not to mention visually! Just have them check eye cleanness for you...but the magnified image looks really good to me!!! ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:24:31 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:24:37 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	Date: 7/5/2007 2:42:23 PM Author: Chrono Oh gosh, Maisie, I'm sorry for making you second guess your choice. That said, I like the second one too. Noo its fine Chrono. I should have asked for advice first.
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:24:37 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:26:57 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	Date: 7/5/2007 2:32:09 PM Author: strmrdr Does it looks too dark up close? at 34.2/40.6 it shouldn't be a huge issue and it already passed Brian's inspection. edit: I read it as you had it, if it hasn't left WF ask for an appointment to go over the stone with Brian. I have emailed Celina to see if I can have a chat with her about what to do next.
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:26:57 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:27:10 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 7/5/2007 3:22:42 PM Author: Maisie Date: 7/5/2007 3:14:20 PM Author: diamondseeker2006 Oh Maisie, just $100 more than that G stone will get you above .80 cts! http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-283295.htm# That one scores 1.8...... will this be better? But its ex vg vg vg I personally don't like the IS on that one, at all. And you replied to Chrono, but called her me. ETA, I see you edited. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:27:10 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:27:37 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	No harm in comparing them now! You could ask them to compare the 2 G stones for you, but for that tiny price difference, I'd lean toward the larger unless there was a visible difference. I just bet they'd both look great! ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:27:37 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:28:13 PM
snlee Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,449 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2004	Date: 7/5/2007 3:09:19 PM Author: diamondseeker2006 Even if the cuts were exactly the same, I'd rather have a little larger G SI1 than a smaller I VS2, assuming that SI1 is totally eyeclean, of course. Ditto! Me too! And another ditto for having Brian take a look at both diamonds and have him pick.
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:28:13 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:28:24 PM
thing2of2 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,661 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 1/1/2007	Uh-oh, are you going to upgrade your upgrade without ever receiving it?! I'm kidding, of course...I'd go for the .8, too, if you can swing it! I'm not an expert about the head obstruction/HCA score issue but I do know that I like my diamonds as big as possible!
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:28:24 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:28:41 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	Date: 7/5/2007 3:27:10 PM Author: Ellen Date: 7/5/2007 3:22:42 PM Author: Maisie Date: 7/5/2007 3:14:20 PM Author: diamondseeker2006 Oh Maisie, just $100 more than that G stone will get you above .80 cts! http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-283295.htm# That one scores 1.8...... will this be better? But its ex vg vg vg I personally don't like the IS on that one, at all. And you replied to Chrono, but called her me. Really? I thought the IS looked fine. I'm betting we couldn't tell them apart in person! But by all means, have Brian look at the two G stones and the I stone and compare them. ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:28:41 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:30:50 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 7/5/2007 3:28:41 PM Author: diamondseeker2006 Really? I thought the IS looked fine. I'm betting we couldn't tell them apart in person! But by all means, have Brian look at the two G stones and the I stone and compare them. It's rather leaky from 7-9 o'clock. I like her other two much better. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:30:50 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:33:58 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	Date: 7/5/2007 3:27:10 PM Author: Ellen Date: 7/5/2007 3:22:42 PM Author: Maisie Date: 7/5/2007 3:14:20 PM Author: diamondseeker2006 Oh Maisie, just $100 more than that G stone will get you above .80 cts! http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-283295.htm# That one scores 1.8...... will this be better? But its ex vg vg vg I personally don't like the IS on that one, at all. And you replied to Chrono, but called her me. ETA, I see you edited. Lol I am so vague sometimes!
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:33:58 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:34:40 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	I see what you mean, but the stone still looks worth comparing to the other two. We're still talking about a stone that they consider ideal cut, so I would want them to take a look at it with the others. ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:34:40 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:44:42 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	I don't know if I would go bigger if it meant not getting a really great diamond. I am even more confused now
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:44:42 PM

P: 7/5/2007 3:46:59 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 7/5/2007 3:44:42 PM Author: Maisie I don't know if I would go bigger if it meant not getting a really great diamond. I am even more confused now Aw, don't be! Let Brian compare all 3, and pick the best one for you. Easy. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 7/5/2007 3:46:59 PM

P: 7/5/2007 4:05:28 PM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,303 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	Date: 7/5/2007 3:46:59 PM Author: Ellen Date: 7/5/2007 3:44:42 PM Author: Maisie I don't know if I would go bigger if it meant not getting a really great diamond. I am even more confused now Aw, don't be! Let Brian compare all 3, and pick the best one for you. Easy. Ditto.
Posted: 7/5/2007 4:05:28 PM

P: 7/5/2007 6:16:42 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	Date: 7/5/2007 4:05:28 PM Author: Chrono Date: 7/5/2007 3:46:59 PM Author: Ellen Date: 7/5/2007 3:44:42 PM Author: Maisie I don't know if I would go bigger if it meant not getting a really great diamond. I am even more confused now Aw, don't be! Let Brian compare all 3, and pick the best one for you. Easy. Ditto. Double ditto! It's hard to go wrong with WhiteFlash ACA or Expert Selection. You're choosing from all ideal cut stones! ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 7/5/2007 6:16:42 PM

P: 7/5/2007 6:29:11 PM
snlee Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,449 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2004	Date: 7/5/2007 6:16:42 PM Author: diamondseeker2006 Date: 7/5/2007 4:05:28 PM Author: Chrono Date: 7/5/2007 3:46:59 PM Author: Ellen Date: 7/5/2007 3:44:42 PM Author: Maisie I don't know if I would go bigger if it meant not getting a really great diamond. I am even more confused now Aw, don't be! Let Brian compare all 3, and pick the best one for you. Easy. Ditto. Double ditto! It's hard to go wrong with WhiteFlash ACA or Expert Selection. You're choosing from all ideal cut stones! Thritto! Maise, don't be confused. I'm sure WF can help you decide which one is the best!
Posted: 7/5/2007 6:29:11 PM

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