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P: 7/4/2007 10:40:51 PM
squirreldogger Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 7/10/2007 Member Since: 7/1/2007	As I previously have posted, I'm in the process of finding the best round cut H&A for around 7500-8000 + the setting. I have a few questions however..... I'm looking at either a traditional setting or the "X" prong that WF offers...... Does anyone know if one shows the stone better than the other?? I really like the way the X prong looks but to me kinda hides the stone a bit. I've noticed that going from G to H in clarity can get you about .1-.15 carats larger for the same price..... is that worth it?? Is there much of a difference or is it just a status thing?? Maybe I'm being rediculas at this point, but, does it matter much if some stones were graded 3 months ago and some others 2 years ago?? Are the older graded stones still on the market because there is something wrong with them that others in the past has noticed?? I'll be sure to post the stones I'm considering tomorrow..... thanks in advance for any insight!!!
Posted: 7/4/2007 10:40:51 PM

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P: 7/4/2007 10:53:33 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	I think you meant G to H color, right? Yes, the lower you go in color, the less expensive the stone. Color is just personal preference, but you can get away with a little lower color on an ideal cut stone because they face up whiter. I wouldn't worry about the date on the cert. There are a lot of reasons. It doesn't necessarily mean there is anything wrong with the stone. I'll just mention that if there is one you're really considering, put it on hold before posting here. There are many people lurking and searching for diamonds! I do think some settings show the stone more than others. It would just depend on which ones you're talking about. It's best to know your girlfriend's preferences. ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 7/4/2007 10:53:33 PM

P: 7/4/2007 10:59:36 PM
Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,315 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004	This one looks attractive to me. Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. ____________ If you're looking for diamond shopping tips...this (along with this update) might do the trick! however...caution: known to have been regarded as armed and dangerous
Posted: 7/4/2007 10:59:36 PM

P: 7/4/2007 11:00:32 PM
snlee Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,449 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2004	Are you deciding between the Classic Tiffany-Style Knife Edge and 'X-Prong' Trellis Solitaire settings that WF offers? I would go with the Classic Tiffany! I love that setting. G and H are colors. You probably won't be able to tell the difference between a G and H. An ideal cut will face up whiter too. When a stone was graded doesn't matter. If the certificate has a date 2 years ago it doesn't mean anything bad. We can help you decide after you post the stones you are considering. I recommend reserving them before you post, as sometimes there are lurkers and they can snatch up your diamond.
Posted: 7/4/2007 11:00:32 PM

P: 7/4/2007 11:02:00 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	Looks like you can get a G VS2 or SI1 or H VS2 close to 1.25 cts.: 1.25 H VS2 http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-273568.htm 1.11 G VS2 http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-179742.htm 1.26 G SI1 http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-312250.htm# (WhiteFlash gives a 5% discount for wire payment and being a PriceScope member, so subtract 5% off these prices.) ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 7/4/2007 11:02:00 PM

P: 7/5/2007 2:11:46 AM
MWG Ideal Rock Total Posts: 530 Last Post: 11/12/2008 Member Since: 1/24/2007	You cant go wrong with an ACA!!!!!
Posted: 7/5/2007 2:11:46 AM

P: 7/5/2007 7:15:05 PM
squirreldogger Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 7/10/2007 Member Since: 7/1/2007	http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-179742.htm This 1 seems to have something directly in the center if you view it under 40X mag...... will this be at all noticable?? Most of what I read alway s has me lean toward SI1's due to the price! However, everytime I look at them under magnification or any of the other pics the inclusion(s) become very apparent! Is this normal?? Also, how notcable will this inclusion be under the standard 10x? Unless I hear some really positive things about the SI1's I really think the smaller stone at VS2 is a better way to go even though I lose about .15 carat wt. Can you guys take a look at the 3 that were suggested and tell me which you guys would pick?? I'm leaning towards the 1.12 C but can be easily swayd based the ever present advise..... Thanks again in advance!!!!!
Posted: 7/5/2007 7:15:05 PM

P: 7/5/2007 8:36:01 PM
risingsun Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,413 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 12/19/2006	I'm not really seeing anything at 40x. A VS2 should be quite clean. Call WF with your concerns and they will be very candid with you about any of their stones. They were with me and I called them repeatedly with my questions. I ended up with a beautiful ACA ~Marian ______________________________________ "It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that bling..."
Posted: 7/5/2007 8:36:01 PM

P: 7/5/2007 10:37:19 PM
squirreldogger Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 7/10/2007 Member Since: 7/1/2007	Wrong link, sorry........ This is the SI1 I was talking about with the inclusion that seems to be VERY visible http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-312250.htm
Posted: 7/5/2007 10:37:19 PM

P: 7/5/2007 10:45:38 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	You need to call WF and ask them. I've seen perfectly clear stones at 40x that weren't eyeclean in the end, and vice versa. And yes, it's normal that inclusions can be very apparent at 40x. Just think how you'd look all blown up. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 7/5/2007 10:45:38 PM

P: 7/5/2007 11:19:43 PM
phoenixgirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,494 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 3/20/2003	The difference between SI and VS or VVS is in the magnification. Most SI1's in that size range won't have noticeably visible inclusions (maybe by straining and holding it in a certain light . . . and that's maybe). I look for SI stones personally. I'd only get VS if I couldn't find a good candidate in the SI range. To me, having the stone be cleaner under intense magnification isn't worth it . . . nobody is going to whip out a magnifying glass to view your diamond. I'm all about paying the least amount of money to get a stone that looks just as good. So if the vendor says it's ok, I'd go for it. If not, then maybe look for an H VS2.
Posted: 7/5/2007 11:19:43 PM

P: 7/5/2007 11:32:45 PM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,905 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	Definitely call and ask. I think it's a gorgeous stone, and bet that it's eye clean. But they are the experts. Good luck and let us know what they say. ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 7/5/2007 11:32:45 PM

P: 7/6/2007 2:36:13 AM
SpeedracerII Rough Rock Total Posts: 87 Last Post: 9/29/2007 Member Since: 6/18/2007	That diamond is roughly 7 mm across. I estimate the inclusion is (conservatively) 1/40 of the diameter of the diamond. That means the real life size of this inclusion is about 0.175mm. So grab a ruler and look at a 1mm mark. Now divide that 1 mm mark into 5.7 equal parts. I don't know about you but I can't even come close to seeing it. Now add on top of that bright light flashing in your eye while you are doing this and you get the idea. My personal opinion people make too much of clarity. No one will ever notice this. It is a beautiful looking stone.
Posted: 7/6/2007 2:36:13 AM

P: 7/6/2007 4:56:48 PM
squirreldogger Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 7/10/2007 Member Since: 7/1/2007	If I find a stone on BN that is a bit cheaper than WF, I do my own HCA on the BN stone (since they don't provide 1) and get the same 1.1 is there any reason why I should'nt go with them??? BTW they are both graded by AGS.
Posted: 7/6/2007 4:56:48 PM

P: 7/6/2007 7:41:24 PM
risingsun Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,413 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 12/19/2006	You won't get the same information from BN, eg., IS, ASET and you also won't have the option to upgrade your diamond in the future. In addition, I believe that BN drop ships their diamonds, with the exception of their Signature Collection. WF has all their diamonds called in for inspection, if they are not already in house. All ACA's and ES are in house selections. Someone at WF can look at them for you and offer a professional opinion. I think this is a big difference in the level of service in making such an important purchase. It's your choice of what will work best for you, of course ~Marian ______________________________________ "It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that bling..."
Posted: 7/6/2007 7:41:24 PM

P: 7/6/2007 8:38:45 PM
MWG Ideal Rock Total Posts: 530 Last Post: 11/12/2008 Member Since: 1/24/2007	Date: 7/6/2007 4:56:48 PM Author: squirreldogger If I find a stone on BN that is a bit cheaper than WF, I do my own HCA on the BN stone (since they don't provide 1) and get the same 1.1 is there any reason why I should'nt go with them??? BTW they are both graded by AGS. After reading your posts, I think the answer is an easy one: Buy the ACA from WhiteFlash. Rationale: You are "money conscious" and I am too. WhiteFlash offers LIFETIME DIAMOND UPGRADE, BN and does not. WhiteFlash wants you to become part of their diamond family for life. What if your future wife wants a larger stone? With the upgrade policy you pay only a fraction of what it would cost to buy a larger stone, with BN you have to buy a totally different diamond and pay full price. Secondly I personally went to WhiteFlash and was able to observe how beautiful the ACA diamonds with my own eyes. If fact I was so impressed with the ACAs that I bought 3 of them. Never before have ever seen a more beatuifully cut diamond. Thirdly, WhiteFlash can mount the stone for you and all work is done in one place. You also get an ACA Kit along with your ACA and All documents bound in a leather cover. You also get an independant appraisal for your diamond. First class all the way!!! I am not saying anything bad about BN, I read many people get very nice diamonds from them and they are a PS vendor and very trustworthy. Great 30 Day return policy. Good Luck in which ever way you go. Let us know what you did and most of all enjoy your diamond experience and post pictures when you get it. MWG
Posted: 7/6/2007 8:38:45 PM

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