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 Are pointed Cutlets bad?

P:  7/4/2007 3:02:36 PM  
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I saw a diamond I really liked, but I am not sure about the pointed cutlet. I have read that it is ideal to have no cutlet. Thoughts?

 


Posted:  7/4/2007 3:02:36 PM

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P: 7/4/2007 3:16:05 PM
diamondseeker2006
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Pointed and none mean the same thing! So you're safe!




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Posted:  7/4/2007 3:16:05 PM
P: 7/4/2007 3:18:05 PM
WorkingHardforSmallRewards
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A pointed culet is no culet, it is just a different term use by AGS, where as GIA says "none"

Consider for a moment what a culet it is. Its a tiny flat surface at the bottom of the diamond, a facet, or, much like a tiny tiny tiny table where the sides of the pavilion meet. If it is pointed, then that means that their is no facet because the sides of the diamond meet together--at a point.

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Posted:  7/4/2007 3:18:05 PM
P: 7/4/2007 3:28:07 PM
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Makes perfect since...don't I feel stupid...lol. Thanks for the clarification.

Posted:  7/4/2007 3:28:07 PM
P: 7/4/2007 4:42:01 PM
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No problem, I had an idea they were the same when I was first studying, but the different terms was making me nervous. Just like I would expect "premium" as listed on some sites to be better than "ideal"...sometimes you just can't be sure. So I had to research it myself when I was first starting out as well!

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Posted:  7/4/2007 4:42:01 PM
P: 7/4/2007 6:53:46 PM
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Date: 7/4/2007 4:42:01 PM
Author: WorkingHardforSmallRewards
Just like I would expect 'premium' as listed on some sites to be better than 'ideal'..


Yes, but premium is a term many jewelers use to describe a diamond that is better than a "normal" cut but not quite as good as an Ideal, so you would not want to think that...

(Although I can see how you would!)

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Posted:  7/4/2007 6:53:46 PM
P: 7/5/2007 11:31:51 AM
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Date: 7/4/2007 6:53:46 PM
Author: Wink

Date: 7/4/2007 4:42:01 PM
Author: WorkingHardforSmallRewards
Just like I would expect 'premium' as listed on some sites to be better than 'ideal'..


Yes, but premium is a term many jewelers use to describe a diamond that is better than a 'normal' cut but not quite as good as an Ideal, so you would not want to think that...

(Although I can see how you would!)

Wink

And sometimes jewelers are using the term 'Ideal' because they personally consider that stone to be ideal.

Paul Slegers
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Posted:  7/5/2007 11:31:51 AM
P: 7/6/2007 8:02:02 AM
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Did you know that the culet on a diamond should be an octagon shape just like the table and on the same plane as the table?  Look at them closely.  The culet is not only a protective facet but in a small way it has an effect on the body color of the diamond.  On stones that draw color an open culet helps negate the color while a closed culet (read very small or none) can help enhance the color.

For premium cut stones today, I suspect that since the top down view is considered primarily by most labs for symetry, the absence of a culet makes it easier for the cutter to make things copasetic.  With a culet, allignement of the the bottom riblines from the top view is harder for the labs to differentiate and the symetry grade could be affected.


Bill Bray
Diamond Cutter

www.BrayScore.com

Posted:  7/6/2007 8:02:02 AM
P: 7/6/2007 9:02:33 AM
Garry H (Cut Nut)
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I prefer lamb cutlets personally, or no culet at all

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Posted:  7/6/2007 9:02:33 AM

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