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P: 5/29/2007 3:27:51 PM
jaym Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 6/19/2007 Member Since: 5/14/2007	I've spent the better part of two months "agonizing" over it. Ok maybe not, it's been fun and educational, but now comes the part about taking the cash out of the old wallet and spend it. I've got a setting picked out at a local store, but wasn't impressed with the selection of stones there so I've been shopping online for the stone. I'm sold on a H&A stone and have a couple picked out at WF. I think they are both pretty equal but would love some input from the smart folks here. Without further adieu: .728 I VS2 .741 I VS2 I'd like to stay under $2800 for the stone and spend a little extra on the setting that she loves. Any input is appreciated.
Posted: 5/29/2007 3:27:51 PM

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P: 5/29/2007 3:33:42 PM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,303 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	The first one is a wee bit larger (dimensionally) and a wee bit less $. Otherwise, it's a coin toss. Or buy both and have them set as earrings. But seriously, either choice is perfect.
Posted: 5/29/2007 3:33:42 PM

P: 5/29/2007 3:36:18 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,450 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	You did a great job! They both look smashing, but I would get the first one just because it's a tad cheaper and even faces up the same as the second one.
Posted: 5/29/2007 3:36:18 PM

P: 5/29/2007 5:02:34 PM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	They both look great. I'd have WF eye-ball them and suggest which one they like the best. They are both going to be beautiful, great picks!!!
Posted: 5/29/2007 5:02:34 PM

P: 5/31/2007 10:04:53 AM
jaym Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 6/19/2007 Member Since: 5/14/2007	I went to the local store that has the setting I'm getting to see what kind of H&A they had access to. They were able to show me some comparable in size and specs, but they were over $1k more. Granted, I'm in the store as a family friend so I'm sure they will work with me some, but I don't know if they have that kind of room in the stones. She is calling the cutters to track some more down today and see what she can do about prices. I did have her pull the setting out of the case and hold it since it is a one of a kind piece. Glad it hasn't gone anywhere in the last two months. I told the sales manager that I would consider ordering from WF and have the store set the diamond for me since she didn't think they would be able to come close to WF prices. She did balk a little about girdle thickness on the stones from WF. I didn't have any of the specs or copies of certs with me, but she said they won't mount anything with girdles that are too thin. She couldn't really say what qualified as "too thin" but I started looking at some others available on the pricescope cut search. Some of the listings have a "th-m f" listed and others have a number (2.07) listed. I can guess what the letters denote with the exception of the "f". Is the number listed the percentage from an AGS cert? Is it an average or a max girdle thickness? I'm going to send the AGS certs from WF to her today to see if she can work with those stones. Will let you all know what happens.
Posted: 5/31/2007 10:04:53 AM

P: 5/31/2007 10:12:42 AM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,450 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	PLEASE just buy the setting from them and let WF set it if they will. No offense, but everyone has a "family friend" jeweler, and very often they end up getting talked into an inferior stone. If there is a stone that has a "very thin" or "extremely thin" girdle all around, it can be an issue, but these WF stones are FINE! There is NO REASON to get a different stone.
Posted: 5/31/2007 10:12:42 AM

P: 5/31/2007 10:14:23 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 5/31/2007 10:04:53 AM Author: jaym I told the sales manager that I would consider ordering from WF and have the store set the diamond for me since she didn't think they would be able to come close to WF prices. She did balk a little about girdle thickness on the stones from WF. I didn't have any of the specs or copies of certs with me, but she said they won't mount anything with girdles that are too thin. She couldn't really say what qualified as 'too thin' but I started looking at some others available on the pricescope cut search. Some of the listings have a 'th-m f' listed and others have a number (2.07) listed. I can guess what the letters denote with the exception of the 'f'. Is the number listed the percentage from an AGS cert? Is it an average or a max girdle thickness? I'm going to send the AGS certs from WF to her today to see if she can work with those stones. Will let you all know what happens. Hi jay, On the AGS cert, it lists the minimum to maximum numbers for the girdle. i.e., taken from a WF stud stone: Faceted 1.7 to 3.8% HTH ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 5/31/2007 10:14:23 AM

P: 5/31/2007 10:16:01 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 5/31/2007 10:12:42 AM Author: neatfreak PLEASE just buy the setting from them and let WF set it if they will. No offense, but everyone has a 'family friend' jeweler, and very often they end up getting talked into an inferior stone. If there is a stone that has a 'very thin' or 'extremely thin' girdle all around, it can be an issue, but these WF stones are FINE! There is NO REASON to get a different stone. I have to agree, with everything. And I hate to say it, but I actually hate hearing, "the jeweler is a family friend"..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 5/31/2007 10:16:01 AM

P: 5/31/2007 10:42:02 AM
jaym Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 6/19/2007 Member Since: 5/14/2007	Haha.. ok, ok i get. :) If they won't mount the WF stone for me, I will get the setting and talk to WF.
Posted: 5/31/2007 10:42:02 AM

P: 5/31/2007 10:43:26 AM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,450 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Date: 5/31/2007 10:42:02 AM Author: jaym Haha.. ok, ok i get. :) If they won't mount the WF stones for me, I will get the setting and talk to WF. Good plan. Trust us, we've seen more people get ripped off by family friends than we've seen where someone got a great deal for a great stone. Get the details about the setting before you buy it, then talk to WF to make sure they'll set it.
Posted: 5/31/2007 10:43:26 AM

P: 5/31/2007 11:00:59 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 5/31/2007 10:43:26 AM Author: neatfreak Good plan. Trust us, we've seen more people get ripped off by family friends than we've seen where someone got a great deal for a great stone. Get the details about the setting before you buy it, then talk to WF to make sure they'll set it. Ditto, again. Gee nf, keep this up and I may never have to type a lengthy post again. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 5/31/2007 11:00:59 AM

P: 5/31/2007 11:05:07 AM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,450 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Date: 5/31/2007 11:00:59 AM Author: Ellen Date: 5/31/2007 10:43:26 AM Author: neatfreak Good plan. Trust us, we've seen more people get ripped off by family friends than we've seen where someone got a great deal for a great stone. Get the details about the setting before you buy it, then talk to WF to make sure they'll set it. Ditto, again. Gee nf, keep this up and I may never have to type a lengthy post again. Don't worry Ellen, you can take back over once I go back to school in the fall!
Posted: 5/31/2007 11:05:07 AM

P: 5/31/2007 11:08:45 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,214 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Jaym, you might find this page helpful. http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds_info/t/faq.aspx?articleid=69&zoneid=6 Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/31/2007 11:08:45 AM

P: 5/31/2007 11:30:17 AM
jaym Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 6/19/2007 Member Since: 5/14/2007	Date: 5/31/2007 11:08:45 AM Author: Lorelei Jaym, you might find this page helpful. http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds_info/t/faq.aspx?articleid=69&zoneid=6 Very helpful. Thank you for that link!
Posted: 5/31/2007 11:30:17 AM

P: 5/31/2007 1:35:53 PM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	Date: 5/31/2007 10:42:02 AM Author: jaym Haha.. ok, ok i get. :) If they won't mount the WF stone for me, I will get the setting and talk to WF. WF also makes lovely custom designs if they don't have a stock setting that you like. The ring in my avatar was a custom design by them. I really would have WF mount the stone, less hassle in case something goes wrong.
Posted: 5/31/2007 1:35:53 PM

P: 5/31/2007 11:38:10 PM
jaym Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 6/19/2007 Member Since: 5/14/2007	You gals are all so smart. Thanks for the help. I emailed specs on the WF stones to the store and she insisted the girdles were too thin for her to commit to anything without seeing them. They are bringing in a Tolkowsky stone, which she claims is "better" than an H&A, for me to look at. It's more than the Wf stones, but I won't have to pay for setting or getting a new head put in the e-ring. It's a wash on the bottom line. It's starting to feel like I'm getting the runaround now. I know... you all told me so I'll call WF in the morning and explain the situation and see what it's gonna cost me for them to mount the stone in a setting that I send to them. I'd certainly consider to WF for something custom, but I need this ring in hand in a little over 3 weeks. I'll keep you all posted and I'm sure will have some more questions.
Posted: 5/31/2007 11:38:10 PM

P: 5/31/2007 11:43:37 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,450 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Date: 5/31/2007 11:38:10 PM Author: jaym You gals are all so smart. Thanks for the help. I emailed specs on the WF stones to the store and she insisted the girdles were too thin for her to commit to anything without seeing them. They are bringing in a Tolkowsky stone, which she claims is 'better' than an H&A, for me to look at. It's more than the Wf stones, but I won't have to pay for setting or getting a new head put in the e-ring. It's a wash on the bottom line. It's starting to feel like I'm getting the runaround now. I know... you all told me so I'll call WF in the morning and explain the situation and see what it's gonna cost me for them to mount the stone in a setting that I send to them. I'd certainly consider to WF for something custom, but I need this ring in hand in a little over 3 weeks. I'll keep you all posted and I'm sure will have some more questions. I hope we don't have to say we told you so! But it does sound like the runaround. A thin girdle isn't too much of an issue, it's an extremely thin or very thin girdle that needs to be worried about. What kind of setting are you looking for that you can get from the B&M ASAP and not from WF?
Posted: 5/31/2007 11:43:37 PM

P: 5/31/2007 11:52:35 PM
jaym Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 6/19/2007 Member Since: 5/14/2007	The lucky lady has some pics of it on her camera, but I'd rather not bother asking her in order to keep suspicions at a minimum. I just put my camera battery on the charger to snap some pics when I pay the store a visit tomorrow. The setting is unlike anything I've ever seen and, well, I'll post some pics of it tomorrow.
Posted: 5/31/2007 11:52:35 PM

P: 5/31/2007 11:58:41 PM
MWG Ideal Rock Total Posts: 530 Last Post: 11/12/2008 Member Since: 1/24/2007	You will not be disappointed with an ACA from Whiteflash. Either diamond will be fine, but you better reserve it, before it is gone. MWG
Posted: 5/31/2007 11:58:41 PM

P: 6/6/2007 7:02:24 PM
jaym Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 6/19/2007 Member Since: 5/14/2007	OK, picked up the setting today and it will be on its way to WF in the morning. The store brought in a similar Tolkowsky but it just didn't seem to perform like the H&A did. Bottom line is still a wash so off it goes to WF. Here is a couple sneak peaks. It looks a little empty around the top, don't you think?
Posted: 6/6/2007 7:02:24 PM

P: 6/6/2007 7:03:24 PM
jaym Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 6/19/2007 Member Since: 5/14/2007	one more
Posted: 6/6/2007 7:03:24 PM

P: 6/6/2007 10:34:51 PM
Stone Hunter Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,778 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 5/12/2006	Unique setting. I don't think I've seen it anywhere. I'm sure that WF will fill up that empty spot for you!!!
Posted: 6/6/2007 10:34:51 PM

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