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P: 5/9/2007 10:17:06 PM
BurtDiesel Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 5/10/2007 Member Since: 10/17/2005	http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-256915.htm http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-273551.htm Any thoughts....or alternatives?
Posted: 5/9/2007 10:17:06 PM

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P: 5/9/2007 10:19:52 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,467 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	First one because it faces up a bit bigger, it's a higher color, AND it's cheaper. Plus it's a tad more round.
Posted: 5/9/2007 10:19:52 PM

P: 5/9/2007 10:25:15 PM
mbr102865 Rough Rock Total Posts: 62 Last Post: 12/30/2008 Member Since: 3/25/2007	of the two above, I would vote for #2, but take a look at this: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/1937/ best!
Posted: 5/9/2007 10:25:15 PM

P: 5/9/2007 10:46:43 PM
BurtDiesel Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 5/10/2007 Member Since: 10/17/2005	The GOG has Fluorescences which I want to stay away from. I have seen instances where the sarin reports on diamonds have slightly different angles and % than the AGS certificate. Is the sarin the gospel? Depending on which info you use you can get different HCA scores. For instance, the second one scores a 1 on the HCA with the AGS cert but a 1.4 using the Sarin. I know that the difference between the two scores probably doesnt mean much.
Posted: 5/9/2007 10:46:43 PM

P: 5/9/2007 10:50:52 PM
Hammurabi Rough Rock Total Posts: 61 Last Post: 10/23/2007 Member Since: 12/27/2006	I vote for one, same reason as neatfreak, face bigger, cheaper, higher color. Then again, i am just a newbie, dont really know much about diamonds.
Posted: 5/9/2007 10:50:52 PM

P: 5/9/2007 10:56:48 PM
boston_jeff Ideal Rock Total Posts: 606 Last Post: 12/7/2008 Member Since: 1/30/2007	Is there a reason you are anti-fluorescence? Just wondering... I'd go with #1.
Posted: 5/9/2007 10:56:48 PM

P: 5/9/2007 11:00:01 PM
Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,317 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004	Ditto on one, with the color a better trade for clarity, especially with vs2 as an alternative. And, on measurements, in agreement with WF's position on this, they would defer to AGS as the more correct measurement. Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. ____________ If you're looking for diamond shopping tips...this (along with this update) might do the trick! however...caution: known to have been regarded as armed and dangerous
Posted: 5/9/2007 11:00:01 PM

P: 5/9/2007 11:07:47 PM
peridot83 Cut Rock Total Posts: 299 Last Post: 10/1/2008 Member Since: 4/5/2007	I vote 1, since they're both excellent and face up the same, 1 is cheaper. However, take notice that #1 has very strong arrows/contrast pattern. #2 has thinner arrows, less contrast, just bright. Which pattern you like more is completely personal presence.
Posted: 5/9/2007 11:07:47 PM

P: 5/9/2007 11:20:24 PM
BurtDiesel Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 5/10/2007 Member Since: 10/17/2005	Does that go to say #1 would have more fire and #2 more brilliance (I guess by default) due to the more pronounced arrows (contrast) in #1?
Posted: 5/9/2007 11:20:24 PM

P: 5/9/2007 11:23:57 PM
BurtDiesel Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 5/10/2007 Member Since: 10/17/2005	No reason to be anti-florescent...I figure there is no need to add what you dont understand. I have read both good and bad threads on florescence.
Posted: 5/9/2007 11:23:57 PM

P: 5/9/2007 11:32:29 PM
fabcrab Cut Rock Total Posts: 463 Last Post: 6/27/2009 Member Since: 9/2/2006	My vote is for number #1 because it's cheaper and I find color more important than clarity. They're both ACA so I don't think you can really go wrong with either or.
Posted: 5/9/2007 11:32:29 PM

P: 5/9/2007 11:38:53 PM
jayrenay9 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 703 Last Post: 10/25/2009 Member Since: 8/3/2006	Here's one that is a combo of the two and you can save a few bucks; http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-260695.htm Of the two you posted, I'd pick the first one.
Posted: 5/9/2007 11:38:53 PM

P: 5/9/2007 11:49:55 PM
peridot83 Cut Rock Total Posts: 299 Last Post: 10/1/2008 Member Since: 4/5/2007	I don't think it's a fire/brilliance thing, though someone w/ more expertese could correct me. It's just a differnce in aesthetics. Here's a picture of JCrow's ring that shows strong arrows: http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=61386
Posted: 5/9/2007 11:49:55 PM

P: 5/10/2007 4:52:11 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 5/9/2007 11:49:55 PM Author: peridot83 I don't think it's a fire/brilliance thing, though someone w/ more expertese could correct me. It's just a differnce in aesthetics. Here's a picture of JCrow's ring that shows strong arrows: http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=61386 Fat/ thin arrows depend on the measurement of the lower girdle facets ( lgf) Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/10/2007 4:52:11 AM

P: 5/10/2007 7:18:59 AM
BurtDiesel Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 5/10/2007 Member Since: 10/17/2005	I just read that the lower on gog that the lower girdle % would drive the width of the arrows http://www.goodoldgold.com/Articles/MinorFacets/ , and that the larger % tend to have more scintillation/sparkle. Can anyone confirm this?
Posted: 5/10/2007 7:18:59 AM

P: 5/10/2007 7:31:22 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	See this page also http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds_info/t/articles.aspx?articleid=154&zoneid=14 which goes also into more detail for anyone interested. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/10/2007 7:31:22 AM

P: 5/10/2007 7:56:30 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 5/10/2007 7:18:59 AM Author: BurtDiesel I just read that the lower on gog that the lower girdle % would drive the width of the arrows http://www.goodoldgold.com/Articles/MinorFacets/ , and that the larger % tend to have more scintillation/sparkle. Can anyone confirm this? Very short/fatter LGF's will give off mainly chunky/bold flashes. Longer/skinnier LGF's will give off some pin flash mixed with bold flashes. Very long/skinny LGF's will give off needle like pin flash. As to which is "more", that is in the eye of the beholder. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 5/10/2007 7:56:30 AM

P: 5/10/2007 4:33:51 PM
BurtDiesel Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 5/10/2007 Member Since: 10/17/2005	How about his one? http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-57696.htm It is not a ACA but seems to have great HCA scores. I wonder what keeps it from being an HCA. Any thoughts?
Posted: 5/10/2007 4:33:51 PM

P: 5/10/2007 4:50:48 PM
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004	Date: 5/10/2007 4:33:51 PM Author: BurtDiesel How about his one? http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-57696.htm It is not a ACA but seems to have great HCA scores. I wonder what keeps it from being an HCA. Any thoughts? sweet! looks like the 'excellent' in polish and symmetry kept it from being aca. i'd take that any day! (.¸(`.¸¸.´)¸.) ¨`.¸ belle¸. ´¨ (¸.(¸.´ `.¸).¸)
Posted: 5/10/2007 4:50:48 PM

P: 5/10/2007 4:55:34 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Looks like it would be a very pretty diamond! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 5/10/2007 4:55:34 PM

P: 5/10/2007 5:11:15 PM
BurtDiesel Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 5/10/2007 Member Since: 10/17/2005	What would cause an excel vs ideal...Would it be a facet issue? Am I better off just getting an ACA?
Posted: 5/10/2007 5:11:15 PM

P: 5/10/2007 5:27:21 PM
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004	Date: 5/10/2007 5:11:15 PM Author: BurtDiesel What would cause an excel vs ideal...Would it be a facet issue? Am I better off just getting an ACA? there is no visible difference between excellent and ideal p/s. they are extremely excruciating details of craftsmanship. ags has a certain standard that they measure as 'ideal'. if a diamond doesn't quite meet that, it may receive 'excellent'. neither you or i could ever tell the difference but some gemologist geek (said in the most endearing way!) with a microscope can. it's not a reason in itself to delve into an aca but if you want the peace of mind, go for it. (.¸(`.¸¸.´)¸.) ¨`.¸ belle¸. ´¨ (¸.(¸.´ `.¸).¸)
Posted: 5/10/2007 5:27:21 PM

P: 5/10/2007 8:17:41 PM
BurtDiesel Rough Rock Total Posts: 13 Last Post: 5/10/2007 Member Since: 10/17/2005	Ellen, I saw pics on your ring in the fire thread...very nice. What are the stats?
Posted: 5/10/2007 8:17:41 PM

P: 5/10/2007 8:31:54 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 5/10/2007 8:17:41 PM Author: BurtDiesel Ellen, I saw pics on your ring in the fire thread...very nice. What are the stats? Thanks! Not sure just how much info you want... 1.40 G VS1 GIA cut grade Excellent Polish Ex Symmetry Ex Flourescence Faint Girdle 1.12% Depth 61.19 Table 56.06 CA 34.05 PA 41.00 Lemme know if there's something else you wanted to know. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 5/10/2007 8:31:54 PM

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