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| P: 3/28/2007 8:09:21 AM | |
antcap51 Rough Rock Total Posts: 22 Last Post: 1/9/2008 Member Since: 3/21/2007 |
Looked at a stone the other day the dealer said it would classify as a h & a. The GIA has it graded excellent in cut, polish, and symmetry. Looking through the h & a view - looks great to me- all hearts and arrows alligned. i am interested in the h & a cut so if I can find a non branded one that would be nice to save some $. Anything else i should look for to confirm that this could qualify to as h & a? One more thing- do crown and pav angles influence the h & a? This info is crown ang -35 pav ang- 41.2 table - 57 depth-62.2 ct-2.04 |
| Posted: 3/28/2007 8:09:21 AM | |
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| P: 3/28/2007 8:28:21 AM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
The hearts are an important part of H&A, those need to fit the criteria and are a telling part of whether a diamond qualifies or not. I will post a useful link for you shortly. There are many important factors as to whether a diamond meets H&A standards, many diamonds can display this pattern but not be actual H&A diamonds. Also the internal symmetry of a diamond is very important for this type of cut. Just because a dealer says a diamond is a H&A cut doesn't necessarily make it so, read the link provided and this should help. This link should answer your questions and the sub topics at the left of the page. http://www.pricescope.com/hearts_indx.asp ![]() Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 3/28/2007 8:28:21 AM | |
| P: 3/28/2007 8:32:10 AM | |
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Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,281 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004 |
Here is the criteria for judging the hearts: http://www.pricescope.com/hearts_grading_hearts.asp ![]() Here's the criteria for the arrows: http://www.pricescope.com/hearts_grading_arrows.asp More info: http://www.pricescope.com/hearts_phony.asp ![]()
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| Posted: 3/28/2007 8:32:10 AM | |
| P: 3/28/2007 8:33:02 AM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 3/28/2007 8:32:10 AM Author: Chrono Here is the criteria for judging the hearts: http://www.pricescope.com/hearts_grading_hearts.asp ![]() Here's the criteria for the arrows: http://www.pricescope.com/hearts_grading_arrows.asp ![]() Cool stuff Chrono!!!!!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]()
![]() Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 3/28/2007 8:33:02 AM | |
| P: 3/28/2007 8:36:29 AM | |
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Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,281 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004 |
Argh! You caught me while I was still editing. I had to submit (save) it while typing so that all my "hard work" will not get lost.
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| Posted: 3/28/2007 8:36:29 AM | |
| P: 3/28/2007 8:40:21 AM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 3/28/2007 8:36:29 AM Author: Chrono Argh! You caught me while I was still editing. I had to submit (save) it while typing so that all my 'hard work' will not get lost.Sorry Chronie, that is a hazard, we are always on fire when we post at the same time it seems!!!! ![]() ![]()
![]() Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 3/28/2007 8:40:21 AM | |
| P: 3/28/2007 10:25:29 AM | |
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JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004 |
In fairness to the seller, there is no official definition of how tight the patterns should be in order to be called "H&A." Your dealer is defining them as such so by his standards they are. You would need to have H&A photos to know if they qualify by other peoples' standards, if that is something which matters to you (it may not). The definitions Chrono posted are quite strict, which we feel is appropriate if a premium is being charged, but not everyone feels this way and no one is obligated to conform to those standards. John |
| Posted: 3/28/2007 10:25:29 AM | |
| P: 3/28/2007 3:30:21 PM | |
antcap51 Rough Rock Total Posts: 22 Last Post: 1/9/2008 Member Since: 3/21/2007 |
So if a diamond has excellent hearts and arrows and looks very good in the ideal-scope, rates excellent in polish, symmetry, and cut it is very cose to a un branded h & a?
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| Posted: 3/28/2007 3:30:21 PM | |
| P: 3/28/2007 6:47:40 PM | |
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JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004 |
Date: 3/28/2007 3:30:21 PM Author: antcap51 So if a diamond has excellent hearts and arrows and looks very good in the ideal-scope, rates excellent in polish, symmetry, and cut it is very cose to a un branded h & a? "Unbranded" only implies the diamond isn't being sold under a certain brand name. It has nothing to do with assessment of quality. An unbranded diamond advertised as H&A could be one of the most precisely cut on the planet - or it could be nowhere near the precision one feels a stone should have to be sold as "H&A." If a diamond looks excellent in the ideal-scope/ASET that's a high priority indicator, as is a top cut grade from a major lab because these indicate performance. If it's being sold for a premium as a "H&A" stone you might want to get images of its hearts (you can use the ideal-scope to see arrows) to see if it has the level of precision you seek. "EX" in polish/symmetry often indicates care taken in its finish but does not always indicate a "H&A" level of patterning. "Brands" of diamonds, like brands of automobiles, may be valued for name recognition - and hopefully consistency. Still, it's never a bad idea to investigate the details of the diamond, whether branded or not. John |
| Posted: 3/28/2007 6:47:40 PM | |
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