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Does this cushion have a bowtie? Or just bad lighting?

P: 3/5/2007 3:50:25 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,478 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Is there any way to tell from pics if a cushion has a bowtie? This stone was recommended to us by Mark at ERD, who I would tend to trust, but in the picture he sent us it looks like it might have a bow tie. Or do you think it might just be the lighting? Is there any way to tell if it's just the lighting? Thanks!
Posted: 3/5/2007 3:50:25 PM

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P: 3/5/2007 4:05:25 PM
boston_jeff Ideal Rock Total Posts: 606 Last Post: 12/7/2008 Member Since: 1/30/2007	I would ask Mark and trust him for now (you can change your mind after you inspect it personally). Cushions require movement to really see how they return light under the table. At different angles different facets will reflect the light and others will be a little darker. Isn't "bowtie" observed through the width of the stone rather than the length? If so, what you are seeing here is not really "bowtie" at all.
Posted: 3/5/2007 4:05:25 PM

P: 3/5/2007 4:17:01 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 3/5/2007 4:05:25 PM Author: boston_jeff I would ask Mark and trust him for now (you can change your mind after you inspect it personally). Cushions require movement to really see how they return light under the table. At different angles different facets will reflect the light and others will be a little darker. Isn't 'bowtie' observed through the width of the stone rather than the length? If so, what you are seeing here is not really 'bowtie' at all. That's my understanding. And I too think you should just ask Mark, he'll be honest. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 3/5/2007 4:17:01 PM

P: 3/5/2007 4:19:16 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,478 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Thanks for the quick advice! I also thought bowties were only seen on the sides...and Mark said this is a great stone and he really has no incentive to tell us otherwise since he would have to call it in for us. So I will probably just trust him now that you guys also have the same opinions of bowties as me. I just don't want to bother him too often! THANK YOU!!!
Posted: 3/5/2007 4:19:16 PM

P: 3/5/2007 4:25:50 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 3/5/2007 4:19:16 PM Author: neatfreak Thanks for the quick advice! I also thought bowties were only seen on the sides...and Mark said this is a great stone and he really has no incentive to tell us otherwise since he would have to call it in for us. So I will probably just trust him now that you guys also have the same opinions of bowties as me. I just don't want to bother him too often! THANK YOU!!! Well there ya go. And you're welcome! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 3/5/2007 4:25:50 PM

P: 3/5/2007 4:26:00 PM
FireGoddess Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,145 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2005	It looks pretty nice to me. Anyone can take a picture that either exacerbates or eliminates any bowtie effect a stone might have....so it helps to see the stone in different lighting conditions, or in person.
Posted: 3/5/2007 4:26:00 PM

P: 3/5/2007 4:40:52 PM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	You should ask ERD what faceting patern reflects the effect in the image....? Does he have a correct faceting sketch he can show you? What is the Total Depth? It does look like an interesting face-up.... ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 3/5/2007 4:40:52 PM

P: 3/5/2007 4:44:50 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,478 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Depth is 68% and table is 55%. It seems to face up nicely compared to others of it's size, and I think those are in a good range right? What I love about it is it's another ex/ex cushion, which seem to be hard to find. As for the faceting...I asked for a cushion brilliant, but don't know the facet pattern other than that. I'll have to find out...
Posted: 3/5/2007 4:44:50 PM

P: 3/5/2007 4:46:27 PM
Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,627 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006	Date: 3/5/2007 3:50:25 PM Author:neatfreak Is there any way to tell from pics if a cushion has a bowtie? This stone was recommended to us by Mark at ERD, who I would tend to trust, but in the picture he sent us it looks like it might have a bow tie. Or do you think it might just be the lighting? Is there any way to tell if it's just the lighting? Thanks! No... I don't see a bowtie here - this stone is cut on a quadrant type (my personal unofficial term lol) and a bowtie requires facets at 3/6 o'clock rather than facet JUNCTIONS at those locations like this stone you've posted has. It doesn't look exactly like a modern cushion either though... it's unusual. That could be a good thing! But it looks uinfamiliar to me. Sara The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious - the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. ~ Albert Einstein ~
Posted: 3/5/2007 4:46:27 PM

P: 3/5/2007 4:48:25 PM
Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,627 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006	Date: 3/5/2007 4:44:50 PM Author: neatfreak Depth is 68% and table is 55%. It seems to face up nicely compared to others of it's size, and I think those are in a good range right? What I love about it is it's another ex/ex cushion, which seem to be hard to find. As for the faceting...I asked for a cushion brilliant, but don't know the facet pattern other than that. I'll have to find out... that does not look like a cushion brilliant to my eye. It looks like some sort of modified. It might even be a 4pav main. See if you can get a copy of the cert including the "inclusion plot" (which will act somewhat like a blueprint of the facets). Sara The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious - the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. ~ Albert Einstein ~
Posted: 3/5/2007 4:48:25 PM

P: 3/5/2007 4:57:04 PM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	Date: 3/5/2007 4:48:25 PM Author: Cehrabehra Date: 3/5/2007 4:44:50 PM Author: neatfreak Depth is 68% and table is 55%. It seems to face up nicely compared to others of it's size, and I think those are in a good range right? What I love about it is it's another ex/ex cushion, which seem to be hard to find. As for the faceting...I asked for a cushion brilliant, but don't know the facet pattern other than that. I'll have to find out... that does not look like a cushion brilliant to my eye. It looks like some sort of modified. It might even be a 4pav main. See if you can get a copy of the cert including the 'inclusion plot' (which will act somewhat like a blueprint of the facets). According to the cullet facet shape..., Cehra is right!!!! ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 3/5/2007 4:57:04 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:10:40 PM
boston_jeff Ideal Rock Total Posts: 606 Last Post: 12/7/2008 Member Since: 1/30/2007	To me it still looks like an 8pav main "modern" cushion, although a little different from the ones I typically have seen... these have beenn described to me as an "X, X" cushion (facets create one 'X', facet junctions create the other 'X')-- this is what Cehra calls the "quadrant" cushion... with a 4pav main, you would not have the X going through the middle of the stone (instead you would have the mains here)... in the picture it looks like there are facet junctions here, not mains. I think the confusion is that some certs call the "quadrant" cushions "cushion brilliant" and others call them "cushion modified brilliant" despite the same facet plots... and I'm pretty sure ERD calls these cushion brilliants... This one looks a little different because it is elongated and might have an open culet.
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:10:40 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:16:09 PM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	Date: 3/5/2007 5:10:40 PM Author: boston_jeff I think this is an 8pav main cushion... what has been described to me as an 'X, X' cushion (facets create one 'X', facet junctions create the other 'X')-- this is what Cehra calls the 'quadrant' cushion... with a 4pav main, you would not have the X going through the middle of the stone (instead you would have the mains here)... in the picture it looks like there are facet junctions here, not mains. I think the confusion is that some certs call the 'quadrant' cushions 'cushion brilliant' and others call them 'cushion modified brilliant' despite the same facet plots... and I'm pretty sure ERD calls these cushion brilliants... This one looks a little different because it is elongated and might have an open culet. NEWS FLASH!!! Even GIA has tons of mistakes matching up the right plots/sketches or names to the Cushions they grade!!!! I have seen plenty of identical Cushions with a certain uniformed faceting arrangement get GIA reports made from all different names and plots! ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:16:09 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:18:35 PM
boston_jeff Ideal Rock Total Posts: 606 Last Post: 12/7/2008 Member Since: 1/30/2007	That was basically my point, so we don't disagree... that 8pav main "modern" cushions can be "cushion brilliants" or "cushion modified brilliants"-- I was just saying that it looks most like an 8pav main modern cushion to me.
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:18:35 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:19:38 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,478 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	I've got the plot: Any idea what it is? I guess it doesn't really matter because I do love the facet pattern on it regardless...but I am certainly curious! Now just need to get the BF moving before someone else takes it!
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:19:38 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:22:19 PM
thing2of2 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,676 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 1/1/2007	I'm no cushion expert, but I am a beauty expert, and that stone is beautiful!
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:22:19 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:22:43 PM
elmo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,142 Last Post: 10/19/2009 Member Since: 6/18/2003	I think Jeff if right, my bet is it's one of the Daniel K style of cushions that's called cushion brilliant on the report with 8 "rotated" mains. The 4 larger ones result in the diamond-shaped culet, and two thinner mains terminate at the points of the culet top and bottom. There was no bowtie in the stone like this that I saw. More sparkle than big flash, but performs very well. edit - yep .
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:22:43 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:23:01 PM
Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,627 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006	Date: 3/5/2007 5:10:40 PM Author: boston_jeff To me it still looks like an 8pav main 'modern' cushion, although a little different from the ones I typically have seen... these have beenn described to me as an 'X, X' cushion (facets create one 'X', facet junctions create the other 'X')-- this is what Cehra calls the 'quadrant' cushion... with a 4pav main, you would not have the X going through the middle of the stone (instead you would have the mains here)... in the picture it looks like there are facet junctions here, not mains. I think the confusion is that some certs call the 'quadrant' cushions 'cushion brilliant' and others call them 'cushion modified brilliant' despite the same facet plots... and I'm pretty sure ERD calls these cushion brilliants... This one looks a little different because it is elongated and might have an open culet. yeah if you look at where the mains hit - the 8 hit the culet... but if you eliminated the culet they wouldn't all hit the center point... that's why it looks like a 4main to me. It could go either way really... The confusion over what they use on their certs is maddening, isn't it? LOL Sara The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious - the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. ~ Albert Einstein ~
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:23:01 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:24:56 PM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	Date: 3/5/2007 5:19:38 PM Author: neatfreak I've got the plot: Any idea what it is? I guess it doesn't really matter because I do love the facet pattern on it regardless...but I am certainly curious! Now just need to get the BF moving before someone else takes it! If that is the plot on the report...., 90% its the wrong plot. Based on the culet facet shape...., there are no eight pavilion facets reaching the culet area. (period). Plus the 8 mains (on both pavilion and crowns) are not aligned the same. The image still seems like a beautiful cushion to me. ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:24:56 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:28:07 PM
Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,627 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006	Date: 3/5/2007 5:24:56 PM Author: DiaGem Date: 3/5/2007 5:19:38 PM Author: neatfreak I've got the plot: Any idea what it is? I guess it doesn't really matter because I do love the facet pattern on it regardless...but I am certainly curious! Now just need to get the BF moving before someone else takes it! If that is the plot on the report...., 90% its the wrong plot. Based on the culet facet shape...., there are no eight pavilion facets reaching the culet area. (period). Plus the 8 mains (on both pavilion and crowns) are not aligned the same. The image still seems like a beautiful cushion to me. oh I dunno DG lol - the other 4 could hit the culet barely :D Just an aside - you have no idea how much I love having several cushion lovers to discuss/debate this stuff with :) :) :) Sara The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious - the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. ~ Albert Einstein ~
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:28:07 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:28:07 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,478 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Date: 3/5/2007 5:24:56 PM Author: DiaGem Date: 3/5/2007 5:19:38 PM Author: neatfreak I've got the plot: Any idea what it is? I guess it doesn't really matter because I do love the facet pattern on it regardless...but I am certainly curious! Now just need to get the BF moving before someone else takes it! If that is the plot on the report...., 90% its the wrong plot. Based on the culet facet shape...., there are no eight pavilion facets reaching the culet area. (period). Plus the 8 mains (on both pavilion and crowns) are not aligned the same. The image still seems like a beautiful cushion to me. Interesting... That is odd considering that it is the plot that is on the GIA cert. Maybe they need to do some more research on cushions on PS!!!
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:28:07 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:29:40 PM
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004	I actually think it totally does look like a modern cushion...I think it's a fabulous stone and that is by no stretch a bowtie....I think it's fabulous! Edited: I just saw the plot and it is totally a modern cushion...It's a tad rectangular which might make it look a little diff from mine...I can't imagine passing that up... ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me.
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:29:40 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:30:31 PM
Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,627 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006	Date: 3/5/2007 5:28:07 PM Author: neatfreak Interesting... That is odd considering that it is the plot that is on the GIA cert. Maybe they need to do some more research on cushions on PS!!! if they're doing their research here, does that mean I get to name the cushions? Because if I get to name them, I'm gonna come up with something better than 4pavmain and quadrant and these other silly terms I use LOL How about a nod to Jeff and have "8 equitorial facets" and "8 equitorial junctions" LOL Sara The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious - the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. ~ Albert Einstein ~
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:30:31 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:31:06 PM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	Date: 3/5/2007 5:28:07 PM Author: Cehrabehra Date: 3/5/2007 5:24:56 PM Author: DiaGem Date: 3/5/2007 5:19:38 PM Author: neatfreak I've got the plot: Any idea what it is? I guess it doesn't really matter because I do love the facet pattern on it regardless...but I am certainly curious! Now just need to get the BF moving before someone else takes it! If that is the plot on the report...., 90% its the wrong plot. Based on the culet facet shape...., there are no eight pavilion facets reaching the culet area. (period). Plus the 8 mains (on both pavilion and crowns) are not aligned the same. The image still seems like a beautiful cushion to me. oh I dunno DG lol - the other 4 could hit the culet barely :D Just an aside - you have no idea how much I love having several cushion lovers to discuss/debate this stuff with :) :) :) I seriously doubt it!!! Anyway you look at it... IT IS STILL THE WRONG PLOT!!!! Enjoy the debate... ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:31:06 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:33:35 PM
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004	maybe i'm missing something..it totally looks like a more rectangular verion of mine which is that plot and ex/ex... whatever. who cares. LOL.... It's awesome. ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me.
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:33:35 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:33:51 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,478 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Date: 3/5/2007 5:29:40 PM Author: moremoremore I actually think it totally does look like a modern cushion...I think it's a fabulous stone and that is by no stretch a bowtie....I think it's fabulous! Edited: I just saw the plot and it is totally a modern cushion...It's a tad rectangular which might make it look a little diff from mine...I can't imagine passing that up... Regardless of what it is...I am REALLY REALLY hoping that my BF won't give it up! We'll just have to wait and see. I told him I was butting out of it now that he is armed with my PS knowledge. And I'm trying really really hard to do it!
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:33:51 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:38:01 PM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	Date: 3/5/2007 5:33:51 PM Author: neatfreak Date: 3/5/2007 5:29:40 PM Author: moremoremore I actually think it totally does look like a modern cushion...I think it's a fabulous stone and that is by no stretch a bowtie....I think it's fabulous! Edited: I just saw the plot and it is totally a modern cushion...It's a tad rectangular which might make it look a little diff from mine...I can't imagine passing that up... Regardless of what it is...I am REALLY REALLY hoping that my BF won't give it up! We'll just have to wait and see. I told him I was butting out of it now that he is armed with my PS knowledge. And I'm trying really really hard to do it! Good luck on it..., like I said..., it looks like an interesting beautiful Diamond. ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:38:01 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:45:16 PM
jazmine Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,013 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 7/12/2005	If anything, I see some darkness going the long way (north-south). Difficult to tell in a single pic though.
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:45:16 PM

P: 3/5/2007 5:58:20 PM
dianne Ideal Rock Total Posts: 957 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 2/18/2007	Your picture looks fabulous compared to what Mark sent to me. I didn't even show it to my boyfriend because he would have never allowed Mark to send it to us. He would have given up on it just from that pic. It was so bad that all I could determine was that I liked the shape. There were a lot of dark areas and Mark said he tried several times and couldn't get a better pic. The stone matched all my criteria on paper and Mark said that even thought the pic was bad he hoped I would look at it because he thought it would satisfy my request. I just asked Mark outright if there was a bowtie. He said no, we trusted Mark and we are thrilled with the stone. I'm going to try to attach the pic that Mark sent to me. That will make you feel better...lol Sorry, right now I don't have a way to attach pics from my camera or I would send you a good one for comparison to ease your mind. Just because of my good experience with Mark, I say you may want to just have a look Good luck! Edited to say: Big and blurry...not sure that helped much. My stone actually looks a little longer than this, too, so the shape didn't even photograph well....lol
Posted: 3/5/2007 5:58:20 PM

P: 3/5/2007 6:02:38 PM
Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,627 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006	Date: 3/5/2007 5:58:20 PM Author: dianne Your picture looks fabulous compared to what Mark sent to me. I didn't even show it to my boyfriend because he would have never allowed Mark to send it to us. He would have given up on it just from that pic. It was so bad that all I could determine was that I liked the shape. There were a lot of dark areas and Mark said he tried several times and couldn't get a better pic. The stone matched all my criteria on paper and Mark said that even thought the pic was bad he hoped I would look at it because he thought it would satisfy my request. I just asked Mark outright if there was a bowtie. He said no, we trusted Mark and we are thrilled with the stone. I'm going to try to attach the pic that Mark sent to me. That will make you feel better...lol Sorry, right now I don't have a way to attach pics from my camera or I would send you a good one for comparison to ease your mind. Just because of my good experience with Mark, I say you may want to just have a look Good luck! Edited to say: Big and blurry...not sure that helped much. My stone actually looks a little longer than this, too, so the shape didn't even photograph well....lol LOL!! I know what you mean - I think the pic at the top of this thread is maybe THE best stone shot I've seen from Mark. If you know what you're looking for and you trust him though, it really is just verification. I don't think his shots would have been helpful to me early in my search though. Sara The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious - the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. ~ Albert Einstein ~
Posted: 3/5/2007 6:02:38 PM

P: 3/5/2007 6:08:40 PM
TravelingGal Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,346 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 12/29/2004	LOL, taking great pics doesn't seem to be a huge thing for Mark/ERD. Fortunately I believe him to be a very honorable person and would trust him completely. He can afford to send some pretty unflattering pics! For instance...here is the cushion I ended up buying for my mom. The pic freaked me out, especially after the WF one I got of my own stone. But it ended up being a beautiful, ex/ex cushion! _______________________ Travel quote of the week: "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines, sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain
Posted: 3/5/2007 6:08:40 PM

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