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P: 2/14/2007 3:15:09 PM
panick Rough Rock Total Posts: 7 Last Post: 2/16/2007 Member Since: 2/14/2007	I'm having decision paralysis - trying to choose between two diamonds: #1 Carat: 1.30 Color: G Clarity: SI1 Cut: GIA Excellent HCA Score: 1.5 - Excellent #2 Carat: 1.35 Color: G Clarity: SI1 Cut: GIA Excellent HCA Score: 1.9 - Excellent So, here's the rub: #1 scores higher with HCA, has EX/EX polish & symmetry #2 scores slightly lower with HCA, has VG/VG polish & symmetry - BUT costs $700 less So, with the only key difference being polish & symmetry, any reason I should consider #1? Thanks!
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:15:09 PM

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P: 2/14/2007 3:18:33 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	need more info. crown and pavilion angles and table size and depth. Then we need an ideal-scope image. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:18:33 PM

P: 2/14/2007 3:18:41 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Hi panick, Can you give us the rest of the info, as in depth, table, crown and pavillion angles, polish and symmetry? strm beat me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:18:41 PM

P: 2/14/2007 3:24:21 PM
panick Rough Rock Total Posts: 7 Last Post: 2/16/2007 Member Since: 2/14/2007	#1 Carat: 1.30 Color: G Clarity: SI1 Cut: GIA Excellent HCA Score: 1.5 - Excellent Culet: None Fluor: None Depth: 61.6% Table: 55% Crown: 35 deg Pav: 40.8 Polish: EX Symm: EX Girdle: Thin - Med 7.01x7.05x4.33 Price: $8294 #2 Carat: 1.35 Color: G Clarity: SI1 Cut: GIA Excellent HCA Score: 1.9 - Excellent Culet: None Fluor: None Depth: 61.5% Table: 57% Crown: 34.5 deg Pav: 41 deg Polish: VG Symm: VG Girdle: Thin - Slightly Thick 7.09x7.13x? Price: $7965
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:24:21 PM

P: 2/14/2007 3:30:50 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	both good combos. Do you have ideal-scope images? ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:30:50 PM

P: 2/14/2007 3:31:38 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	#1 gets my vote. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:31:38 PM

P: 2/14/2007 3:32:36 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 2/14/2007 3:30:50 PM Author: strmrdr both good combos. Do you have ideal-scope images? Let me add, my vote is 1 unless we see these. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:32:36 PM

P: 2/14/2007 3:33:37 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 2/14/2007 3:18:41 PM Author: Ellen strm beat me Did not! Im not that type of guy ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:33:37 PM

P: 2/14/2007 3:34:43 PM
diamondsRforever Cut Rock Total Posts: 144 Last Post: 2/25/2007 Member Since: 12/2/2006	Date: 2/14/2007 3:32:36 PM Author: Ellen Date: 2/14/2007 3:30:50 PM Author: strmrdr both good combos. Do you have ideal-scope images? Let me add, my vote is 1 unless we see these. Ditto
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:34:43 PM

P: 2/14/2007 3:37:08 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 2/14/2007 3:33:37 PM Author: strmrdr Date: 2/14/2007 3:18:41 PM Author: Ellen strm beat me Did not! Im not that type of guy lol! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:37:08 PM

P: 2/14/2007 3:39:54 PM
panick Rough Rock Total Posts: 7 Last Post: 2/16/2007 Member Since: 2/14/2007	Thanks for your quick replies! I do not have an Ideal-Scope image for either. #1 is from BlueNile, #2 is from a local jeweler. Ellen- You voted for #1 (pending Ideal-Scope), which aspects make you favor this one? It is slightly smaller, $700 more expensive, but has better polish,symm, and HCA score. Thanks!
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:39:54 PM

P: 2/14/2007 3:48:34 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 2/14/2007 3:39:54 PM Author: panick Thanks for your quick replies! I do not have an Ideal-Scope image for either. #1 is from BlueNile, #2 is from a local jeweler. Ellen- You voted for #1 (pending Ideal-Scope), which aspects make you favor this one? It is slightly smaller, $700 more expensive, but has better polish,symm, and HCA score. Thanks! They're both GIA, who rounds numbers for one, so the first stones numbers are "safer" to me. Secondly, the second has a PA of 41, which, if cut tightly could be just fine, but without knowing, it could be a bit leaky. Also, there's a bigger variance in the girdle. So, without pictures to tell the whole story, I just think #1 is safer. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 2/14/2007 3:48:34 PM

P: 2/14/2007 4:06:17 PM
panick Rough Rock Total Posts: 7 Last Post: 2/16/2007 Member Since: 2/14/2007	Okay, thanks. But, I still feel stuck for some reason. I like the idea of saving an extra $700 and feel like I'm simply splitting hairs at this point. If I want a nice, bright & sparkly stone - will I really see much difference between the two with my eyes only?
Posted: 2/14/2007 4:06:17 PM

P: 2/14/2007 4:08:27 PM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,896 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	My vote goes to #1 Same reasons as Ellen stated. ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 2/14/2007 4:08:27 PM

P: 2/14/2007 4:10:37 PM
Fly Girl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,757 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 1/9/2007	Why not just order the Blue Nile stone and compare to the local one? Blue Nile gives you 30 days to look it over and return if you decide not to keep it. **** Life is a Journey, not a Destination. ****
Posted: 2/14/2007 4:10:37 PM

P: 2/14/2007 4:12:15 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 2/14/2007 4:06:17 PM Author: panick Okay, thanks. But, I still feel stuck for some reason. I like the idea of saving an extra $700 and feel like I'm simply splitting hairs at this point. If I want a nice, bright & sparkly stone - will I really see much difference between the two with my eyes only? No one can say for sure. Here's a thread with your exact crown and pavillion angles, and what Gary (creator of HCA) said. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 2/14/2007 4:12:15 PM

P: 2/14/2007 4:15:50 PM
panick Rough Rock Total Posts: 7 Last Post: 2/16/2007 Member Since: 2/14/2007	Which thread are you referring to?
Posted: 2/14/2007 4:15:50 PM

P: 2/14/2007 4:17:16 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	From the limited info #1 is safer and likely the better cut diamond but it may not be $700 better and #2 may have equal or better performance. Have you seen the second stone? How does it look to you? ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/14/2007 4:17:16 PM

P: 2/14/2007 4:19:48 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 2/14/2007 4:15:50 PM Author: panick Which thread are you referring to? lol Sorry, multi-tasking and not too well. http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=57421 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 2/14/2007 4:19:48 PM

P: 2/14/2007 4:30:30 PM
panick Rough Rock Total Posts: 7 Last Post: 2/16/2007 Member Since: 2/14/2007	I have not seen either stone yet. I will look tomorrow at #2. I suspect that, to me, it will look fine. I understand that #1 may be safer, but am having trouble reconciling what difference I will actually be able to see for the extra $. Thanks! BTW- $700 is the all-in savings by getting both setting & stone from the local guy. Otherwise, I would have to pay a little more to set with the Blue Nile stone.
Posted: 2/14/2007 4:30:30 PM

P: 2/14/2007 4:43:14 PM
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,143 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005
Posted: 2/14/2007 4:43:14 PM

P: 2/16/2007 1:08:48 PM
panick Rough Rock Total Posts: 7 Last Post: 2/16/2007 Member Since: 2/14/2007	Better yet - Since BlueNile doesn't actually own most of the stones on its site, my local jeweler can actually get it himself to compare. Much better than buying and returning!
Posted: 2/16/2007 1:08:48 PM

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