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P: 1/28/2007 12:22:33 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	Is the Ideal Scope only used in the US? The reason I asked is because I was at a wedding show today and there was a jeweller there and we got talking about the diamond I want to buy. He was obviously trying to get me to buy from him and he assumed I knew nothing about diamonds. I don't know loads but I feel I know enough to hold my own in a general diamond conversation. He hadn't heard of the Ideal Scope or hearts and arrows. He did say though that he has a laser and I could look at diamonds through that if I wanted to. Not sure what he meant there. Also he said he could get some diamonds in for me to look at but they would be in plastic bags and I would not be allowed to open them and look properly because if I did I would have to buy it! My other half Gary said quietly ' I think that company in America (meaning WF) is your best bet for a diamond - this jeweller gives me a bad feeling'!! I suppose talking to that jeweller was the best thing I could have done as now the little doubts my hubby had about buying from the internet have been put to rest!
Posted: 1/28/2007 12:22:33 PM

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P: 1/28/2007 12:47:36 PM
starryeyed Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,587 Last Post: 10/5/2009 Member Since: 11/6/2006	Check out their website: ideal-scope.com. Not just for us Yankees!
Posted: 1/28/2007 12:47:36 PM

P: 1/28/2007 1:09:18 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	Ah thankyou. I wonder why he had no idea what I was talking about - unless we are late in catching on here in the UK lol ....
Posted: 1/28/2007 1:09:18 PM

P: 1/28/2007 1:13:10 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	There is nothing like a little snake oil from the locals to make the online vendors look good. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/28/2007 1:13:10 PM

P: 1/28/2007 2:08:19 PM
Pricescope Administrator Total Posts: 8,265 Last Post: 1/5/2008 Member Since: 1/1/2000	Date: 1/28/2007 12:22:33 PM Author:Maisiebelle Is the Ideal Scope only used in the US? The reason I asked is because I was at a wedding show today and there was a jeweller there and we got talking about the diamond I want to buy. He was obviously trying to get me to buy from him and he assumed I knew nothing about diamonds. I don't know loads but I feel I know enough to hold my own in a general diamond conversation. He hadn't heard of the Ideal Scope or hearts and arrows. He did say though that he has a laser and I could look at diamonds through that if I wanted to. Not sure what he meant there. Also he said he could get some diamonds in for me to look at but they would be in plastic bags and I would not be allowed to open them and look properly because if I did I would have to buy it! My other half Gary said quietly ' I think that company in America (meaning WF) is your best bet for a diamond - this jeweller gives me a bad feeling'!! I suppose talking to that jeweller was the best thing I could have done as now the little doubts my hubby had about buying from the internet have been put to rest! You MUST be kidding Maisie, please don't try this at home...especially thru plastic bags... Pricescope
Posted: 1/28/2007 2:08:19 PM

P: 1/28/2007 2:20:23 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	I won't try anything at home don't worry. I was really confused at what he said and I won't be going anywhere near him or his plastic bags!
Posted: 1/28/2007 2:20:23 PM

P: 1/28/2007 2:53:31 PM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	Date: 1/28/2007 2:08:19 PM Author: Pricescope Date: 1/28/2007 12:22:33 PM Author:Maisiebelle Is the Ideal Scope only used in the US? The reason I asked is because I was at a wedding show today and there was a jeweller there and we got talking about the diamond I want to buy. He was obviously trying to get me to buy from him and he assumed I knew nothing about diamonds. I don't know loads but I feel I know enough to hold my own in a general diamond conversation. He hadn't heard of the Ideal Scope or hearts and arrows. He did say though that he has a laser and I could look at diamonds through that if I wanted to. Not sure what he meant there. Also he said he could get some diamonds in for me to look at but they would be in plastic bags and I would not be allowed to open them and look properly because if I did I would have to buy it! My other half Gary said quietly ' I think that company in America (meaning WF) is your best bet for a diamond - this jeweller gives me a bad feeling'!! I suppose talking to that jeweller was the best thing I could have done as now the little doubts my hubby had about buying from the internet have been put to rest! You MUST be kidding Maisie, please don't try this at home...especially thru plastic bags... What on earth, what a weird jeweler...laser, plastic bags...
Posted: 1/28/2007 2:53:31 PM

P: 1/28/2007 3:22:46 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	I know - its not really quite right is it? lol....
Posted: 1/28/2007 3:22:46 PM

P: 1/28/2007 3:45:28 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 1/28/2007 3:22:46 PM Author: Maisiebelle I know - its not really quite right is it? lol.... It goes WAY past not being quite right. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 1/28/2007 3:45:28 PM

P: 1/28/2007 3:52:47 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	Well yes I agree. I didn't actually make the connection between the plastic bag and the laser to be honest. Just shows how vague I am. Thats worrying.
Posted: 1/28/2007 3:52:47 PM

P: 1/28/2007 5:54:42 PM
Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001	Date: 1/28/2007 1:09:18 PM Author: Maisiebelle Ah thankyou. I wonder why he had no idea what I was talking about - unless we are late in catching on here in the UK lol .... Because 90% of the jewelers in this country, let alone yours, have NO IDEA about what is available in their trade other than rocks and rings. It is a sad comment that many in my industry either have little or no formal gemological training and the vast majority of those who get their GG (graduate gemologist) degree never bother to follow up with continuing education. Then you have those who do follow up and spend many hours each year getting the latest scoop and also follow that up with their dollars and their time to actually attend continuing education courses. These are the vendors you want to search for, whether locally or on the net. You can usually find such people in AGS stores, but there are many non AGS stores that also have well educated people in them. Any time someone tells you that you must look at a stone in a plastic bag, you do not need to walk away, you need to run screaming the other way as these people are not really in the trade. They may have the store, they may have the name, but if they can not bring in a diamond on memo for you to look at, then they are on the fringes, on the outside fringes at that, not on the inside, and certainly NOT worthy of your time or trust. The sad thing, in my opinion, is that if I were uneducated and did not know that the G-VS1 uncerted stone that my supplier sent me was really an H or I SI stone, I would make a LOT more money with each sale and would just happily stumble into the sunset a much higher paid man. It seems strange to me that the best educated and prepared diamond vendors make the least money as we educate our buyers to understand quality whether they buy from us or one of our competitors. The margins for the top quality stones are tiny compared to the margins for the "poop" cuts because no one understands the discounts that go with "poop" cutting. The reward of course is that we enjoy what we do and we sleep well at nights. We also have the respect of our peers, our clients, and most importantly, ourselves. Wink, waxing philosophical after church... May your Sunday be peaceful and your life rich with joy and wonder. Wink Jones GG Winfield's/High Performance Diamonds
Posted: 1/28/2007 5:54:42 PM

P: 1/28/2007 6:20:33 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 1/28/2007 5:54:42 PM Author: Wink The reward of course is that we enjoy what we do and we sleep well at nights. We also have the respect of our peers, our clients, and most importantly, ourselves. And that actually makes you a far wealthier person. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 1/28/2007 6:20:33 PM

P: 1/28/2007 6:32:54 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	Date: 1/28/2007 6:20:33 PM Author: Ellen Date: 1/28/2007 5:54:42 PM Author: Wink The reward of course is that we enjoy what we do and we sleep well at nights. We also have the respect of our peers, our clients, and most importantly, ourselves. And that actually makes you a far wealthier person. I absolutely agree!!!
Posted: 1/28/2007 6:32:54 PM

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