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 HELP!!!! What do you guys think? Oh wise ones....

P:  1/8/2007 4:15:34 PM  
leilei0812
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http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-191609.htm

Is this one good?  or any other suggestions under 4200?


Much thanks,
Julia

 


Posted:  1/8/2007 4:15:34 PM

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P: 1/8/2007 4:22:26 PM
colorkitty
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A VVS1 seems like an extreme clarity grade unless it's really important to you. The only other ACA about that weight I could find was a H SI1 for about a thousand less. You could check to see if it's eyeclean.

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Posted:  1/8/2007 4:22:26 PM
P: 1/8/2007 4:29:43 PM
hikerchick
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Looks nice, the clarity is overkill in my opinion so try this one to save a little money

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131&item=936539

Posted:  1/8/2007 4:29:43 PM
P: 1/8/2007 4:43:16 PM
ILikeBond
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These whiteflash ones are the price BEFORE the PS discount (so I went a little above $4,200 in some cases, since you'd save 3% or so w/ the discount)

1.15 J / SI2 Expert Selection $4,267 (inclusions look scattered and small enough that it might be eye-clean - worth asking)

1.12 J / SI2 Expert Selection $4,155 (one big inclusion under the table, but hard to see on the magnified image - looks like this might be eyeclean too)

1.067 H / SI2 Expert Selection $4,490 (same - inclusions look scattered, worth checking)

0.81 H / SI1 A Cut Above $3,210 (you can save $1,000 just by going from VVS1 to SI1 and will probably see no difference w/ your eye)

Posted:  1/8/2007 4:43:16 PM
P: 1/8/2007 5:35:31 PM
diamondseeker2006
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There's a big range between VVS and SI, so I'd be looking at VS. I'd rather have a H VS2 than SI1, personally, if you are looking for close to .80.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-191623.htm




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Posted:  1/8/2007 5:35:31 PM
P: 1/8/2007 6:02:13 PM
aljdewey
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Now would be a good time to point out that I own several eye-clean SI2 stones......one is .57, two are .75 and one is 1.25.

You can likey readily find an eyeclean SI1 without too much trouble and save some cash going below VS. 



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Posted:  1/8/2007 6:02:13 PM
P: 1/8/2007 7:19:04 PM
leilei0812
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So is the PS discount 3% or 5%? So we don't really care about VVS, SI1 is fine. But we really want to stick to the 4200 price limit. Which stone maximizes the size and clarity without shelling more than 4200? By the way, we have abbas in town (gatortown), are they worth checking out? Oh, another question, we liked the stone I posted because it had WF five star, does four star make that much of a difference?

Thanks again!!!

Posted:  1/8/2007 7:19:04 PM
P: 1/8/2007 7:35:21 PM
hikerchick
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I would try for H color or better and SI1 (eyeclean) or better . . .
Also, you can't go wrong with the WF ACA but I found with my diamond that the Expert selection was gorgeous and saved my BF some money and allowed us to go with a much larger stone.
Here is one more to think about but I still like the one I posted above.


http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131&item=996223

Posted:  1/8/2007 7:35:21 PM
P: 1/8/2007 10:34:34 PM
leilei0812
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hi hikerchick,
I liked the second one you posted. But I think due to financial issues (ie. pricescope discount), I think we're going to buy from whiteflash. Could you (or anyone else for that matter) take a look at whiteflash and offer us (me and bf) more suggestions for 4200? I think my ideal rock would be 0.90-0.95ct, SI1, color whatever. Why is there a lack of 0.90-1.00ct diamonds?


Thanks again,
Julia

Posted:  1/8/2007 10:34:34 PM
P: 1/8/2007 10:48:51 PM
hikerchick
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http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=54552

According to the above thread . . . James Allen also gives a PS discount.  I bought from WF and their discount was 3% for wire transfer while jamesallen looks to be 5% for wire transfer . . . so don't discount the james allen diamonds before calling them about a discount first.

Posted:  1/8/2007 10:48:51 PM
P: 1/8/2007 10:49:49 PM
belle
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http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-175736.htm
$4108 ps price


Date: 1/8/2007 10:34:34 PM
Author: leilei0812

 Why is there a lack of 0.90-1.00ct diamonds?
cutters aim to hit the carat marks.  the goal is not for .9xx it is for 1.xx
sometimes we are lucky getting those that hit just under that but the goal is to hit those carat markers.



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Posted:  1/8/2007 10:49:49 PM
P: 1/8/2007 10:53:08 PM
Ellen
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Date: 1/8/2007 10:34:34 PM
Author: leilei0812
hi hikerchick,
I liked the second one you posted. But I think due to financial issues (ie. pricescope discount), I think we're going to buy from whiteflash. Could you (or anyone else for that matter) take a look at whiteflash and offer us (me and bf) more suggestions for 4200? I think my ideal rock would be 0.90-0.95ct, SI1, color whatever. Why is there a lack of 0.90-1.00ct diamonds?


Thanks again,
Julia
If cutters can get that close to the 1 ct. mark, they'll do all they can to get over it, more money. So you won't find a lot.

Here's the only two I could find.

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-122962.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-183730.htm

If eyeclean, either of these would be pretty.

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-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/8/2007 10:53:08 PM
P: 1/8/2007 10:58:30 PM
leilei0812
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Hi belle,
Love that stone. But do you see two little slashes through the arrows that are not on the AGS paper? I see it once you click on the stone to enlarge the pictures. Weird that those imperfections are not shown on the AGS papers. But definite possiblity, I get a little bit more than a carat, BF gets to keep his budget. Good for both of us. :-)

Posted:  1/8/2007 10:58:30 PM
P: 1/8/2007 11:00:09 PM
leilei0812
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Hi Ellen,
Thank you for looking for me. You're going to make my BF so happy to find such beauties and so much under budget. :-) Will put those on the list of possible stones.

Posted:  1/8/2007 11:00:09 PM
P: 1/8/2007 11:01:39 PM
hikerchick
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http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-136245.htm#

Try this one . . . looks like it might be eye-clean . . . call and ask.

Posted:  1/8/2007 11:01:39 PM
P: 1/9/2007 10:48:27 AM
leilei0812
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anyone else?  Any other suggestions?

Posted:  1/9/2007 10:48:27 AM
P: 1/9/2007 11:49:08 AM
dach2k3
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How about this one:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2723/

This was one i was looking at if i decided to go w/ a round.

Posted:  1/9/2007 11:49:08 AM
P: 1/9/2007 12:09:48 PM
tdiggity
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Good old gold will give you 5% off for wire transfer too...I HIGHLY recommend them. Talk to Tim for the stone and Marie for the ring...they are GREAT!

Posted:  1/9/2007 12:09:48 PM
P: 1/9/2007 1:32:48 PM
leilei0812
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Hi Dach2k3,

    I saw this stone last night.. I love love it.  Price is awesome too.  I didn't see a H&A inscription though.  Do you think it has the inscription and just didn't show a picture of it.  Also, We already have a setting (scott kay), is it possible to send the setting to them and just have the stone set by goodoldgold?

Thanks,
Julia

Posted:  1/9/2007 1:32:48 PM
P: 1/9/2007 1:52:07 PM
coda72
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This stone from Whiteflash looks very nice.  It's not that much smaller than the one you originally picked, but quite a bit cheaper.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-26448.htm

I recently bought an I, SI2 ACA stone a little smaller than this, and I am very happy with it.  I greatly prefer it to the Expert Selection stone I previously owned.

Posted:  1/9/2007 1:52:07 PM
P: 1/9/2007 6:09:25 PM
leilei0812
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Thanks everyone for your help. I guess we still haven't found the "one". *sigh* more digging and more searching.

Posted:  1/9/2007 6:09:25 PM
P: 1/9/2007 6:11:06 PM
Ellen
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Date: 1/9/2007 6:09:25 PM
Author: leilei0812
Thanks everyone for your help. I guess we still haven't found the 'one'. *sigh* more digging and more searching.
What exactly are you looking for?

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-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/9/2007 6:11:06 PM
P: 1/9/2007 7:07:16 PM
leilei0812
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Hi Ellen,
Let's see if I can put this into a list. First and foremost, laser inscription. Second, an H&A. Third, an 4200 budget. Fourth, goodoldgold, whiteflash, or abbas only.
Fifth, already have scott kay setting, so would like diamond seller to set stone in our setting. Six, as large of a stone but in whiteflash standards, *five star* quality. Hmmm...That's all I think. Is that too much to ask for?

Posted:  1/9/2007 7:07:16 PM
P: 1/9/2007 7:16:59 PM
diamondseeker2006
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Date: 1/9/2007 7:07:16 PM
Author: leilei0812
Hi Ellen,
Let's see if I can put this into a list. First and foremost, laser inscription. Second, an H&A. Third, an 4200 budget. Fourth, goodoldgold, whiteflash, or abbas only.
Fifth, already have scott kay setting, so would like diamond seller to set stone in our setting. Six, as large of a stone but in whiteflash standards, *five star* quality. Hmmm...That's all I think. Is that too much to ask for?



Good Old Gold will have the stone laser inscribed...all you have to do is ask! And the .85 H VS2 there looks excellent!




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Posted:  1/9/2007 7:16:59 PM
P: 1/9/2007 8:46:15 PM
Ellen
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Date: 1/9/2007 7:07:16 PM
Author: leilei0812
Hi Ellen,
Let's see if I can put this into a list. First and foremost, laser inscription. Second, an H&A. Third, an 4200 budget. Fourth, goodoldgold, whiteflash, or abbas only.
Fifth, already have scott kay setting, so would like diamond seller to set stone in our setting. Six, as large of a stone but in whiteflash standards, *five star* quality. Hmmm...That's all I think. Is that too much to ask for?
lol No, that's doable. Actually, the one from GOG that dach posted fits the bill. The girdle IS laser inscribed, it's noted under comments on the cert.

Seriously, I don't think you'll find better than this, and it is comperable to a WF 5 star.

And GOG will most likely set it in your setting. Just ask Marie. Sometimes they want a pic of it first to make sure it's not real complcated, but my guess is it would be no problem.

They are great to work with, I got my ring there.

That one gets my vote!

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-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/9/2007 8:46:15 PM
P: 1/9/2007 8:49:20 PM
belle
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why is a laser inscription 'first and foremost' if you don't mind me asking.



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Posted:  1/9/2007 8:49:20 PM
P: 1/9/2007 10:09:39 PM
aljdewey
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Date: 1/9/2007 7:07:16 PM
Author: leilei0812
Hi Ellen,
Let's see if I can put this into a list. First and foremost, laser inscription. Second, an H&A. Third, an 4200 budget. Fourth, goodoldgold, whiteflash, or abbas only.
Fifth, already have scott kay setting, so would like diamond seller to set stone in our setting. Six, as large of a stone but in whiteflash standards, *five star* quality. Hmmm...That's all I think. Is that too much to ask for?

Leilei......one thing comes to mind if this highlighted portion is really important to you.

WF H&A standards are EXTREMELY strict....and often far stricter than many others.  That said, it's entirely possible that somes stones other vendors call H&A wouldn't meet Whiteflash's definition of H&A.  Certainly not all.....but some.

Put another way......the only stones that can definitely be said to meet Whiteflash's "five-star" standard are their own branded ACA stones.  That's not to say that other stones can't be lovely and equally beautiful.....but you're talking about meeting a finite standard, and the only stones that fit the standard you've listed are WF ACA stones.

If you're going to relax that standard, then I'd encourage you to consider that WF's 4-star ES stones may be every bit as lovely as and absolutely comparable to some stones being offered as non-branded H&As by other vendors.  It may widen the pool from which you can choose.

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Posted:  1/9/2007 10:09:39 PM
P: 1/9/2007 10:24:35 PM
leilei0812
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Hi everyone,
Thank you so much for your help. Let me attempt to answer some questions. We (bf and me) want the laser inscription because we are worried about possible future work on the ring/setting. We don't have a trusted local jeweler, so a laser inscription would ease our mind on the diamond. Second, I understand the WF five star strict criteria, hence, the more reason to want it. I don't want to get something that I will regret later on. With WF's five star, I know I will get the best that we can afford. :-) On that note, again, thank you everyone for your help. The last goodoldgold stone is a definite possibility, but I still we are still searching. He's hoping that the done ring will be completed by the end of February, so we still have almost two months, maybe the venders will come out with new diamonds in those two months. :-) If any of them wow you, let me know!!!

Posted:  1/9/2007 10:24:35 PM
P: 1/9/2007 10:40:48 PM
aljdewey
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Date: 1/8/2007 10:58:30 PM
Author: leilei0812
Hi belle,
Love that stone. But do you see two little slashes through the arrows that are not on the AGS paper? I see it once you click on the stone to enlarge the pictures. Weird that those imperfections are not shown on the AGS papers. But definite possiblity, I get a little bit more than a carat, BF gets to keep his budget. Good for both of us. :-)

I have to say that I second the stone Belle recommended.....here.

The little slashes that aren't on the AGS paper?  It's not weird they don't show on the AGS report; AGS (and other labs) grade what they can see at 10x mag.  The enlarged picture you're looking at is 40x mag!  What does this mean?  In person, you won't see em!

That is a KILLER stone for the money, and I'd be all over it if I were shopping in that range. 

This stone HikerChick posted......also phenominal!  Look at the image.  I'm guessing the only reason this missed the ACA designation is that the arrowhead is just sliiiiiiiiiightly off the arrow shaft at the 6-oclock position in the enlarged photo.  If you look in the image scope , you can see it in the arrow positioned near 1 o'clock.  But look at the rest of the stone???  AMAZING.  And it's WELL under your budget, GREAT color.

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Posted:  1/9/2007 10:40:48 PM
P: 1/9/2007 11:40:57 PM
leilei0812
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what about abazias? They are local to us ( I think). I wonder if we can actually go and look at some stones in person, although I don't have a trained eye, and wouldn't really know what to look for. Anyone dealt with them before?

Posted:  1/9/2007 11:40:57 PM
P: 1/10/2007 10:22:15 AM
Ellen
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Date: 1/9/2007 11:40:57 PM
Author: leilei0812
what about abazias? They are local to us ( I think). I wonder if we can actually go and look at some stones in person, although I don't have a trained eye, and wouldn't really know what to look for. Anyone dealt with them before?
I've not dealt with them, nor heard a lot, so I can't really comment.

With all due respect, I don't think you're going to find any better than several of the suggestions you've gotten in this thread. I'm not sure why you're still searching, unless it is that you are unexperienced, and don't understand the suggestions you've been given. I mean absolutely no disrespect here, it's just that they don't get any better than some of these diamonds.

Most of the people on this thread have seen several diamonds, know what to look for, and do have an experienced eye. And the prices are competitive.  

Just some food for thought.

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"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/10/2007 10:22:15 AM

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