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P:  1/7/2007 9:28:43 PM  
stci
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Hi,

First of all, let me tell you that I'm a french person. When I read the information on this website, sometime I understand, sometime when the language is technical, I don't understand...

I do not know if I have the permission to speak about this subject but I take a chance. I do not have much money and I would like to have a beautiful diamond. When I go on Ebay, I see diamonds at very low prices. What do I risk? Which councils can you give me to avoid I lost my money?

I always dream that a day I would have also beautiful jewels as those I see in the forum "Show me the ring". I find these women lucky to have of so beautiful things to carry.

I am afraid of to do me to have, I have so few money and I would not want to throw it in the air. 

Regards
Posted:  1/7/2007 9:28:43 PM

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P: 1/7/2007 9:33:25 PM
Ellen
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Hi stci!

Please, don't buy from ebay. Most people have bad luck that do, it is NOT worth it.

If you don't mind telling us your budget, we could maybe help you find a nice diamond from a vendor online.

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"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/7/2007 9:33:25 PM
P: 1/7/2007 9:47:56 PM
stci
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My buget is ~ 1000$ I know it's not enough but when I found this on Ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=260072391275&rd=1&rd=1

What do you think of that Ellen? Your help is really appreciate!

Posted:  1/7/2007 9:47:56 PM
P: 1/7/2007 9:54:06 PM
colorkitty
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Someone who is more knowledgeable will give you a better idea... but that's way to good to be true. A D VS2 (which is later listed as a VS2/SI1) at that size should be around 5K. JMO.

***new and improved***

Posted:  1/7/2007 9:54:06 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:02:38 PM
hikerchick
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Try this diamond:
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-116854.htm


With this setting:
http://www.whiteflash.com/Engagement-Rings/Styles/Solitaire/4-Prong--Tiffany--Style---14k-Gold_609.htm

The ebay deal sounds too good to be true.

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:02:38 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:03:45 PM
stci
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I think you are right colorkitty... I'm so dead... my dream flies away...

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:03:45 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:04:15 PM
Ellen
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OK, I read through things, even though I still would have told you not to do it.

Colorkitty is right, that price IS too good to be true. An average cut pear should cost somewhere around 5000.00, and that's not counting the ring. There are so many other reasons I could list on why not to buy, but please, just trust me, this is not the way to buy a ring.

I know how much you want one, but you need to go through someone REPUTABLE. That is so important!!

I would suggest saving up some more, and then we'll help you find a beautiful ring!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:04:15 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:05:59 PM
hikerchick
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Here is another one if you are not too color sensitive . . . just make sure you ask them if it is eye clean
http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-117228.htm#

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:05:59 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:06:22 PM
Ellen
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Date: 1/7/2007 10:03:45 PM
Author: stci
I think you are right colorkitty... I'm so dead... my dream flies away...
Awww, they are not dead, just slumbering awhile longer.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:06:22 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:08:56 PM
stci
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hikerchick!!! more than .40 ct and a beautifull diamond!! It's fantastic for my little budget! I take again hope!!

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:08:56 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:12:26 PM
Ellen
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Date: 1/7/2007 10:08:56 PM
Author: stci
hikerchick!!! more than .40 ct and a beautifull diamond!! It's fantastic for my little budget! I take again hope!!
Do you want a round? I just assumed you wanted a pear....And I assumed you wanted bigger.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:12:26 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:15:38 PM
hikerchick
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Date: 1/7/2007 10:12:26 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/7/2007 10:08:56 PM
Author: stci
hikerchick!!! more than .40 ct and a beautifull diamond!! It's fantastic for my little budget! I take again hope!!
Do you want a round? I just assumed you wanted a pear....And I assumed you wanted bigger.

Isn't that funny . . . I immediately assumed round . . . I must have missed reading that she was looking for a pear . . .

Also, stci, IF you do buy from Whiteflash, make you you ask for the Pricescope discount . . . you will need to wire transfer the money, but it will save you about 2% . . .

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:15:38 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:17:51 PM
stci
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I really like marquise but round is ok too! I want largest possible but I know very well that my budget is very small. We cannot make miracle as in the advertisements of Ebay!

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:17:51 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:19:41 PM
Ellen
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Date: 1/7/2007 10:15:38 PM
Author: hikerchick

Isn't that funny . . . I immediately assumed round . . . I must have missed reading that she was looking for a pear . . .

Also, stci, IF you do buy from Whiteflash, make you you ask for the Pricescope discount . . . you will need to wire transfer the money, but it will save you about 2% . . .
lol Yes, the ring in the ad had a 1 ct. pear.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:19:41 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:21:48 PM
Ellen
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st, would you have the diamond set there, or buy the setting here too?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:21:48 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:22:10 PM
hikerchick
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Date: 1/7/2007 10:19:41 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/7/2007 10:15:38 PM
Author: hikerchick

Isn't that funny . . . I immediately assumed round . . . I must have missed reading that she was looking for a pear . . .

Also, stci, IF you do buy from Whiteflash, make you you ask for the Pricescope discount . . . you will need to wire transfer the money, but it will save you about 2% . . .
lol Yes, the ring in the ad had a 1 ct. pear.

Just looked at the ebay ad, Ellen . . . the link I get is a marquise . . . am I getting the wrong link?

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:22:10 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:23:05 PM
stci
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It's not a marquise Ellen?

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:23:05 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:24:18 PM
hikerchick
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Stci,

Do you live in the USA or would you need international shipping?  That is something to think about also . . . because if you don't live in the U.S. . . . it will cost more in tarrifs and shipping.

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:24:18 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:28:18 PM
stci
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You are too fast for me!

You are too nice to help me like that. My heart is filled with hope and it's because of you... thank you snif

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:28:18 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:29:49 PM
stci
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I come from Quebec Canada. I know shipping will cost more and I have to think of duty and taxes too!

"would you have the diamond set there, or buy the setting here too? "

Yes, I want buy the setting here. I want a complete ring if it's possible. How much for the setting?

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:29:49 PM
P: 1/7/2007 10:34:49 PM
Ellen
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Date: 1/7/2007 10:22:10 PM
Author: hikerchick

Just looked at the ebay ad, Ellen . . . the link I get is a marquise . . . am I getting the wrong link?
No, yer right. I knew what it was, but why I said pear I have no idea. I swear I know my shapes.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."

-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State



John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things....

The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Posted:  1/7/2007 10:34:49 PM
P: 1/8/2007 12:11:02 AM
rockzilla
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I hope you find something good stci! You seem very earnest...

I studied in Quebec for a little while...in Montreal...

You will do well to listen to the advice of people here.

Posted:  1/8/2007 12:11:02 AM
P: 1/8/2007 3:20:25 AM
RockDoc
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I looked at the ebay listing that you posted a link to.


I would be very suspicious of such a seller for the following reasons:


1. There is no report copy shown from the appraiser
2. You don't know how credible the appraiser is.
3. In their feedback some people say the diamond they got wasn't the grade it was supposed to be and one person said it was appraised at $ 12,000. less than their 'independent' appraiser.
4. An appraiser who is paid by the seller - isn't independent.
5. You only have three days, to request a refund, too short a period of time.
6. The return has to arrive in 10 days. Sometimes the mail takes more time than 10 days.
7. Bids are private... so you don't know if they are 'real' or not. Ebay sellers who don't post the details of the bidding could have 'shills' making the bids higher.
8. You get what you pay for. If the stone is cheap then the quality of it is as well. If it is too good to be true.... it usually is.

Rockdoc

Here's the French translation of the above. It may not be perfect grammar, but hope it helps

Rockdoc


J'ai regardé la liste d'ebay vers laquelle vous avez posté un lien.


Je me méfierais très d'un tel vendeur pour les raisons suivantes :


1. Il n'y a aucune copie de rapport montrée de l'expert
2. Vous ne savez pas comment crédible l'expert est.
3. Dans leur feed-back certaines personnes disent le diamant qu'ils ont reçu n'était pas la qualité qu'il a due être et une personne a dit qu'il a été estimé à $12,000 . moins que leur expert 'indépendant'.
4. Un expert qui est payé par le vendeur - est assez dépendant.
5. Vous avez seulement trois jours, demander un remboursement, une période trop courte.
6. Le retour doit arriver dans 10 jours. Quelquefois le courrier prend plus de temps que 10 jours.
7. Les offres sont ... privé donc vous ne savez pas s'ils sont 'réels' ou non. Les vendeurs d'Ebay qui ne postent pas les détails des enchères pourraient avoir 'shills' la réalisation des offres plus haut.
8. Vous recevez que vous payez pour. Si la pierre est bon marché alors la qualité de cela est aussi. S'il est trop bon pour être vrai .... il est d'habitude .


Rockdoc


Bill Leiberum
1948-2007
Thanks for everything and Rest In Peace,Bill.

Posted:  1/8/2007 3:20:25 AM
P: 1/8/2007 7:40:20 PM
stci
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Thank you RockDoc, I know you are right. I decided don't buy on Ebay. I became wise!

Posted:  1/8/2007 7:40:20 PM
P: 1/8/2007 7:52:06 PM
RockDoc
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Was the French translation reasonably accurate?

Glad to help.

Rockdoc


Bill Leiberum
1948-2007
Thanks for everything and Rest In Peace,Bill.

Posted:  1/8/2007 7:52:06 PM
P: 1/8/2007 11:13:07 PM
stci
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Date: 1/8/2007 7:52:06 PM
Author: RockDoc
Was the French translation reasonably accurate?

Glad to help.

Rockdoc
Of course! Thank you very much!

Posted:  1/8/2007 11:13:07 PM
P: 1/8/2007 11:19:05 PM
hikerchick
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stci,

Let us know what you decide . . .

Posted:  1/8/2007 11:19:05 PM
P: 1/8/2007 11:27:44 PM
kcoursolle
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Please do a search here about people who have gotten ripped off from ebay before considering that option.  It's really a nightmare out there... 


It's definitely possible to find a very nice ring for 1k.  If you have craving for a bigger ring consider buying from a company that has a good upgrade policy. 

Posted:  1/8/2007 11:27:44 PM

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