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| P: 11/27/2006 7:42:41 AM | |
rounddiamond Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 11/28/2006 Member Since: 11/27/2006 |
Hi, I'm new to this... I am currently looking for a diamond, and went to what I thought was a reputable private jeweler in my area who has a 2.22 carat round estate diamond. I looked at this diamond under a scope, and it has chips in the edges of the diamond. They want $12,000 for this diamond. It's graded a G color and a VS1, but had no papers. The inclusions in the diamond were very small. (I looked at diamonds at other jewelers under a scope and the inclusions in their stones looked much larger for the same rated VS1.) They told me that the chip wouldn't harm the diamond, and that they thought of having the diamond recut and then sell it, but they felt it would lose value if it was recut, as it would loose carat weight. Also, the culet doesn't come to a point, but you can see a circle on the bottom. My questions : Can the chip cause the diamond to eventually fracture? Can I have the stone mounted so that a prong covers the chip? (You can't see it with the naked eye.) Should this diamond be appraised first? Where do I go to find an appraiser in my area and what can I expect to pay? If the stone is recut, do they only cut the outside edges.... or recut and reshape the whole diamond. Or, should I just run from this diamond!! Thanks for any help! Pat |
| Posted: 11/27/2006 7:42:41 AM | |
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| P: 11/27/2006 7:53:54 AM | |
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kenny Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,841 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
As a point of reference I just looked up a G VS1 1.6 carat and found out it would cost about $17,000 for a ideal-cut new diamond from PS vendors. IF this is a worst-case carat loss now you just have to find out if this chunk of "rough" is really G VS1. You need an appraiser. Also you will bear the risk if it cracks during recutting. Next, I don't know if a private individual has access to the same top-quality cutters as the pros, so I'm not sure that the quality of the final cut is a certainty.
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| Posted: 11/27/2006 7:53:54 AM | |
| P: 11/27/2006 8:33:19 AM | |
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denverappraiser Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,614 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2004 |
Get it appraised, and choose an appraiser who is familiar with recutting. Not all are and this issue of recut potential is the heart of your question. Chipped edges can be a problem, especially on some of the older cuts where the girdle is very thin (this is usually what causes the chipping in the first place). Recutting carries with it some costs, some risks and it involves some decisions that aren’t entirely obvious. It also changes the entire character of the diamond. Recutting a damaged OEC into an RBC is not an unreasonable thing to do, but if what you wanted was an OEC, it defeats the point. Chipping is a clarity characteristic and unless they are extremely small, it’s not a VS1, which is why it doesn’t have paperwork. This also raises the question of the accuracy of color grading. Neil Beaty There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile. |
| Posted: 11/27/2006 8:33:19 AM | |
| P: 11/27/2006 8:41:39 AM | |
rounddiamond Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 11/28/2006 Member Since: 11/27/2006 |
How do I find an appraiser in my area? What are the costs to appraise, and recut if that's what I decide to do? Also, if I don't have it recut, is there a higher risk of fracture? Pat |
| Posted: 11/27/2006 8:41:39 AM | |
| P: 11/27/2006 8:47:56 AM | |
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denverappraiser Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,614 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2004 |
Pat, Neil Beaty
There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile. |
| Posted: 11/27/2006 8:47:56 AM | |
| P: 11/27/2006 11:25:10 AM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,602 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 11/27/2006 7:53:54 AM Author: kenny As a point of reference I just looked up a G VS1 1.6 carat and found out it would cost about $17,000 for a ideal-cut new diamond from PS vendors. IF this is a worst-case carat loss now you just have to find out if this chunk of 'rough' is really G VS1. You need an appraiser. Also you will bear the risk if it cracks during recutting. Next, I don't know if a private individual has access to the same top-quality cutters as the pros, so I'm not sure that the quality of the final cut is a certainty. don't listen to kenny - DON'T RECUT IT - there are too many people out there in this world desperate for OECs - if you want a cheaper round why not try a pawn shop?? Sara |
| Posted: 11/27/2006 11:25:10 AM | |
| P: 11/27/2006 11:57:15 AM | |
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denverappraiser Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,614 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2004 |
I agree that there is a certain tragedy associated with recutting perfectly good OEC’s and that this advice is given far too lightly but it’s not out of the question that this is a good situation for it. *IF* it’s a G and Those are some pretty big if’s, and this is not a project for the faint of heart but Kenny's approach is basically sound, which is why I suggested a consultation with a professional. Tiny details make a big difference and there’s a huge number of critical assumptions being made here. It's relatively likely that the dealer has already made their estimation of this and elected not to do it so the bet is whether the dealer and their suppliers know what they're doing. Some do, some don't. Neil Beaty There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile. |
| Posted: 11/27/2006 11:57:15 AM | |
| P: 11/27/2006 12:09:39 PM | |
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kenny Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,841 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
I wasn't recommending a recut. I was only looking for what the value may be if it was recut.
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| Posted: 11/27/2006 12:09:39 PM | |
| P: 11/27/2006 12:12:49 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,602 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 11/27/2006 11:57:15 AM well of course you are correct - yours is a logical and professional view and mine ::sobsobsob:: is strictly emotional LOL!
Author: denverappraiser I agree that there is a certain tragedy associated with recutting perfectly good OEC’s and that this advice is given far too lightly but it’s not out of the question that this is a good situation for it. *IF* it’s a G and Those are some pretty big if’s, and this is not a project for the faint of heart but Kenny's approach is basically sound, which is why I suggested a consultation with a professional. Tiny details make a big difference and there’s a huge number of critical assumptions being made here. It's relatively likely that the dealer has already made their estimation of this and elected not to do it so the bet is whether the dealer and their suppliers know what they're doing. Some do, some don't. Neil Beaty Sara |
| Posted: 11/27/2006 12:12:49 PM | |
| P: 11/27/2006 12:41:21 PM | |
dtnyc Ideal Rock Total Posts: 866 Last Post: 10/31/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2005 |
I would get the stone to an appraiser who is familiar with antique cut stones. It could be that the chip is a "natural" which is a bit of the "skin" of the rough left on the girdle of the stone.
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| Posted: 11/27/2006 12:41:21 PM | |
| P: 11/28/2006 1:21:16 PM | |
rounddiamond Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 11/28/2006 Member Since: 11/27/2006 |
OK, I called an appraiser -- who's name I got under resources on this site, and he is double the cost of jewerly stores in the area. The people in the jewerly stores are "graduate gemologists". The person that I found on this site has GG, CIA, and NAJA behind his name. What do these credentials mean? Is it worth the extra money for the written appraisal? Will he be able to tell me about the safety of the chip on the girdle, having it recut etc......the value of the stone with the older cut? What questions should I ask..... what to look for..... I'll take all the advise I can get at this point! Thanks so much! Pat |
| Posted: 11/28/2006 1:21:16 PM | |
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