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P: 11/26/2006 1:40:11 PM
sf94123 Rough Rock Total Posts: 2 Last Post: 11/26/2006 Member Since: 11/26/2006	I am a beginner trying to make the right choice on a diamond. Any suggestions on which one would you chose? Diamond #1 Price: $36,760.00 Report: GIA Shape: Round Ideal Cut Carat: 2.0 Color: D Clarity: VS1 Depth: 61.9% Table: 57% Crown Angle: 35.0 Crown %: 15.0 Pavilion Angle: 40.6 Pavilion %: 42.5 Girdle: Medium to slightly thick Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Culet: None Fluorescence: None Measurements: 8.00-8.05X4.97 HCA: 1.0 (EX,EX,EX,VG) http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131&item=956319 Diamond #2 Price: $35,000.00 Report: GIA Shape: Round Ideal Cut Carat: 2.00 Color: G Clarity: VS1 Depth: 61.2% Table: 57% Crown Angle: 33.5 Crown %: 14.5 Pavilion Angle: 40.6 Pavilion %: 42.5 Girdle: Slightly Thick to Thick Polish: Very Good Symmetry: Very Good Culet: None Fluorescence: None Measurements: 8.05-8.09X4.94 HCA: 0.8 (EX,EX,EX,VG) http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131&item=828359 Diamond #3 Price: $33930.00 Report: GIA Shape: Round Ideal Cut Carat: 2.01 Color: D Clarity: VS1 Depth: 60.3% Table: 61.0% Crown Angle: 33.0 Crown %: 12.5 Pavilion Angle: 40.8 Pavilion %: 43.0 Girdle: Medium to Thick, Faceted Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Very Good Culet: None Fluorescence: None Measurements: 8.05-8.10X4.87 HCA 1.8(VG,EX,VG,EX) http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131&item=745420
Posted: 11/26/2006 1:40:11 PM

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P: 11/26/2006 3:59:22 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Hi, how exciting! I like your first pick the best, except, it's facing up a good bit smaller that it should. If you're going for two carats, you might as well get all you can out of it! Also, GIA rounds out some of their numbers, so it's harder to tell exactly what we're looking at without a Sarin report. I found one that's promising, it faces up a bit bigger, but, not sure if you would consider SI 1 clarity (it will save you money!). If eyeclean, it could possibly be a winner. You'd need to ask for the grading report. http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=770956 Here's a very yummy one. You will save on this one as it's from their Expert Selection. I'd definitely check this one out. http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-69812.htm# ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 11/26/2006 3:59:22 PM

P: 11/26/2006 4:11:57 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	Ellen is right...a 2 ct. stone should have a diameter of about 8.2mm. You're looking at stones that face up smaller. I just wouldn't pay the premium for 2 cts. if the stone was going to look smaller. I like the WF stone she posted and I'll also do a quick check and see if there are others. ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 11/26/2006 4:11:57 PM

P: 11/26/2006 4:21:11 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	Oh, this is fun! There are several choices in the colorless VS range in-house (and a little closer to the 8.2mm than the others): http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/359/ http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/361/ http://www.niceice.com/certcopies/gia15026264/index.htm http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-71804.htm ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 11/26/2006 4:21:11 PM

P: 11/26/2006 4:26:22 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	I will also add this one, although personally, you probably couldn't tell the difference between the ES I posted and this one. However, WF is running a sale through Nov., where you get 5% back towards the setting. Either one would be stunning. http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-70656.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 11/26/2006 4:26:22 PM

P: 11/26/2006 4:38:24 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	Date: 11/26/2006 4:26:22 PM Author: Ellen I will also add this one, although personally, you probably couldn't tell the difference between the ES I posted and this one. However, WF is running a sale through Nov., where you get 5% back towards the setting. Either one would be stunning. http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-70656.htm Ooh, I like this one a lot! I think I accidentally set the search on D-F. This stone is definitely better than the JA G VS1. sf, the girdle needs to be thin, medium, or slightly thick. When you get into thick girdles, you're losing diameter because some of the weight is going to the thick girdle. I also think it may throw off the HCA scores. I think those are based on a thin or mediaum girdle. ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 11/26/2006 4:38:24 PM

P: 11/26/2006 5:10:31 PM
starryeyed Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,587 Last Post: 10/5/2009 Member Since: 11/6/2006	Hi SF. In addition to my opinion, I just want to point out a few discrepancies in your list: Diamond #1 - The James Allen description says the color is D, but when you check the grading report, GIA specifies an E. You may want to check with JA on this - maybe the price might be less. That would be a bonus! I like this diamond because it is an ideal cut with EX/EX and the HCA score is great. Diamond #2 - You write that this diamond is a G, but the James Allen link points to a D. Even though this diamond is an ideal cut, it is a VG/VG. The HCA score is great, but I personally would prefer EX/EX for a diamond of this color/clarity quality. Diamond #3 - This diamond is a "Premium" cut. The table is 61%, which is a little larger than an Ideal cut stone. It still performs well on the HCA and may appear larger than 2 carats because of the table size. If Diamond #1's price is less, I would choose this one. I don't think you'd be able to tell the difference between a D and an E.
Posted: 11/26/2006 5:10:31 PM

P: 11/26/2006 7:00:40 PM
sf94123 Rough Rock Total Posts: 2 Last Post: 11/26/2006 Member Since: 11/26/2006	Thank you all for the assistance and I appreciate the tips. I guess I still need to do a little more research. Please continue to relpy with any suggestions.
Posted: 11/26/2006 7:00:40 PM

P: 11/27/2006 10:51:57 AM
starryeyed Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,587 Last Post: 10/5/2009 Member Since: 11/6/2006	Hi SF. I just realized that we haven't officially WELCOMED you!! Glad you trust us to share in your diamond selection! It looks like you have done a great job learning about diamonds and using the tools on this site, like the HCA. Personally I am drooling over the stones you selected! You are committing a huge chunk of change and we all want to make sure you get the best deal on the most beautiful stone. From the stones you listed, it looks like you might be looking at D's only? (I know there were a few typos.) Are you willing to look at E's and F's? We just went through the same process with similar specs as you. We looked at E-G, VS, Ideal cuts, 2 carat minimum. We actually wound up going to NYC and visiting the James Allen-affiliated office. We wound up with an F, which was hardly discernable from a D or E. Here's a link to a JA diamond that I wanted to see, but was a little out of our price range. It looks like it may be within yours: 2.37 carat F VS1, ID/ID, HCA 1.8 for $35,920 Please do talk to JA though about Diamond #1. They are reputable folks and I'm sure the error wasn't intentional. I want you to get a discount!
Posted: 11/27/2006 10:51:57 AM

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