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Handmade and cast and diestruck -- OH MY! |
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| P: 11/3/2006 1:08:33 PM | |
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Lynn B Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,142 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 5/9/2004 |
Handmade vs. cast vs. diestruck... I *think* I should probably KNOW this, but I am a little unclear... What are the differences? Similarities? Advantages? Disadvantages? And are there any other types of manufacturing styles? THANKS!
And THAT'S my story and I'm sticking to it! |
| Posted: 11/3/2006 1:08:33 PM | |
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| P: 11/3/2006 1:15:08 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,597 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 11/3/2006 1:08:33 PM I think with diestruck the pounding increases the density...
Author:Lynn B Handmade vs. cast vs. diestruck... I *think* I should probably KNOW this, but I am a little unclear... What are the differences? Similarities? Advantages? Disadvantages? And are there any other types of manufacturing styles? THANKS! Sara |
| Posted: 11/3/2006 1:15:08 PM | |
| P: 11/3/2006 8:00:22 PM | |
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Lynn B Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,142 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 5/9/2004 |
Thanks Cehra... I hope some of the experts chime in here w/ more information, though. And maybe even (pretty pretty please???!) some photos of rings that were made each way. And how can a consumer tell which way their ring was made? And THAT'S my story and I'm sticking to it! |
| Posted: 11/3/2006 8:00:22 PM | |
| P: 11/3/2006 8:13:28 PM | |
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Stone Hunter Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,778 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 5/12/2006 |
Yes I'd like to know about this too. I asked a while ago but nobody answered. I'd especially like to know how to tell how a setting is made.
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| Posted: 11/3/2006 8:13:28 PM | |
| P: 11/3/2006 8:20:30 PM | |
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denverappraiser Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,614 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2004 |
It’s not all that easy. Casting involves making a wax or plastic model of the piece, poring a plaster like material around the wax and burning the original model. This leaves a cavity in the plaster that’s filled with molten metal and, when it cools, leaves a metal copy of the original wax. This technique has been used for several millennia to make things out of metal and it works pretty well. Die striking involves carving a negative image in a piece of rather hard metal that is then used as a stamp to form a piece of softer metal into the shape you want. This too has been used for quite a while and is the standard approach for making coins, doorknobs, car hoods and many other metal objects. Handmade is a tough one. Not everyone uses the term in the same way. The problem is that the craftsman is using tools and it’s necessary to decide what tools are acceptable for the particular definition. Is it still ‘handmade’ if it involves non-handmade components? Is it handmade if the craftsman uses semi-automated equipment? Is it still handmade if there are a multitude of workers involved in an assembly line type process? It gets pretty complicated. I mostly don’t use this term because of the confusion it causes. Many, even most, jewelry items involve several processes and it can include hand assembly involving both cast and die struck components. It’s rarely an either/or type question. Heads, which are the prong assemblies that hold stones, are usually die struck for example. Attaching the head to the ring is almost always done by hand. Neil Beaty There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile. |
| Posted: 11/3/2006 8:20:30 PM | |
| P: 11/3/2006 8:39:43 PM | |
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Lynn B Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,142 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 5/9/2004 |
Sir Neil, That was VERY informative and helpful -- thank you! Lynn And THAT'S my story and I'm sticking to it! |
| Posted: 11/3/2006 8:39:43 PM | |
| P: 11/3/2006 8:41:21 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,597 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
excellent answer neil!!! very thorough!!
Sara |
| Posted: 11/3/2006 8:41:21 PM | |
| P: 11/3/2006 8:42:24 PM | |
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widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004 |
Thanks, Neil! Another question...what exactly does "hand chased" refer to? And "piercing"? Lyn.. www.vancraeynest.com uses dye struck methods and hand chasing, whatever that is. They mounted my star ruby for me. If you visit their site, you can see that their work is incredibly fine and detailed...I got to see quite a few of their pieces, and what struck me (beyond their delicacy and detail) was the weight of the pieces. They "felt" much heftier than they looked. Neil...don't pieces that are mostly dye struck have denser metal?? widget ETA: Here's a link to Van Craeynest, if anyone is interested: http://www.vancraeynest.com/collections.html
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| Posted: 11/3/2006 8:42:24 PM | |
| P: 11/3/2006 9:04:04 PM | |
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widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004 |
Oooh, I thought I'd thrown out this picture! I snuck this picture of what I guess you'd call "dyes" of some ring when I was in their office....I can't explain 'em, but they're interesting! LOL. (That's my unfinished ring in the upper righthand corner) widget ![]()
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| Posted: 11/3/2006 9:04:04 PM | |
| P: 11/3/2006 9:38:27 PM | |
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denverappraiser Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,614 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2004 |
Chasing is a process of taking a small tool, pressing it against the metal and hitting the back end with a hammer. This makes a little dent in the metal the shape of the tool. You then move the tool a millimeter or so and hit it again. You’re ‘chasing’ the tool with the hammer as you move it across the work. It’s amazing what a skilled worker can do with this. It’s the way Paul Revere would make a punch bowl with images of dancing ladies around the outside edge, all dented from a single sheet of metal! Piercing is where you drill a small hole in a piece of metal and thread a hairlike saw through it. You can then cut the hole into a shape other than round. As with the above, the work done by a master can take your breath away. It can look like a 3 dimensional sculpture made of metallic lace. Doing these things well is really hard and they are both becoming lost arts. Die striking doesn’t really make the metal denser but it does work harden it which, for most things, is a desirable affect. Poorly done casting can be porous but modern casting techniques and equipment has made huge inroads into solving this. There’s some very smart people working on this and they think nothing of things like casting in an argon atmosphere under tremendous pressure and details like using computers to control the casting temperature to a single degree. The concept is unchanged but its generally not done the same way it was 100 years ago. Neil Beaty There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile. |
| Posted: 11/3/2006 9:38:27 PM | |
| P: 11/3/2006 11:28:01 PM | |
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diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006 |
From the Facets/Signed Pieces website:
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| Posted: 11/3/2006 11:28:01 PM | |
| P: 11/4/2006 9:03:37 AM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
sucky things can be made using any of the different processes. And masterpieces can be made using most of them. Its up to the skill of everyone involved in the process and the material itself. In general cast is the most troublesome. Die struck is limited in the designs that came be made from it. Hand bent Wire is expensive because of the labor. cnc machined is limited in availability and design.. these days its usualy just used to produce the wax for casting but its not unheard of for a ring to be made using it. Laser/cnc will/has replaced hand piercing and can make some unbelievable designs. then you have the powder and binder alloys where the item is actually printed out one layer at a time then the binder is melted out leaving the metal. (its complicated, don't shoot me for keeping it simple) I think the wave of the future will be the powder based printed designs and alloys. In general and in my opinion from looking into it a die struck shank and a laser welded die struck head are likely the strongest. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 11/4/2006 9:03:37 AM | |
| P: 11/5/2006 7:45:41 AM | |
Pyramid Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,914 Last Post: 11/11/2009 Member Since: 11/10/2002 |
I am very interested in Widget's photo. Thank you for posting that Widget. Can any of the experts tell what the stages are in the 3 dyes widget has posted? It is the same ring on the three isn't it? Is the middle one for the side of the bezel setting + shoulders and the right hand one for the side of the head, the first one being the band and the other side of the head.
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| Posted: 11/5/2006 7:45:41 AM | |
| P: 11/5/2006 8:08:50 AM | |
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diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006 |
Oh my gosh. I just looked at that site Widget gave us and those rings are beyond gorgeous! I mean it! Why didn't I know about this before! I'm going to post some on another thread.(And I agree with Widget about them feeling heavier. And they do not have rough areas..they are finely finished everywhere.)
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| Posted: 11/5/2006 8:08:50 AM | |
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