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Please rate this 4ct Pear - images inside

P: 10/12/2006 6:20:33 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	As per the title - your opinions are ver much appreciated. The stone is 4.13cts, I colour and SI1 clarity. I have not seen it in the flesh but the vendor has confirmed that it is eye clean with minimal bow tie. 40x magnified image -
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:20:33 PM

There are 38 replies to this message. There are 30 replies on this page.

P: 10/12/2006 6:21:38 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	Idealscope -
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:21:38 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:29:09 PM
MustangGal Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,173 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 6/18/2004	I don't know much about IS images, but the other picture is beautiful!
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:29:09 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:33:19 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	Here's the Sarin -
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:33:19 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:35:04 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	Another pic -
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:35:04 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:40:11 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	And finally a handshot -
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:40:11 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:40:13 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Gosh, I think it looks gorgeous! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:40:13 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:40:56 PM
FireGoddess Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,145 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2005	1. The stone LOOKS beautiful from the IS and regular pictures. 2. The stats all come out as 1A, the best cut grade. It looks amazing!
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:40:56 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:42:33 PM
FireGoddess Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,145 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2005	Beautiful hand shot. No prong protecting the tip? That's dangerous territory IMO...it's just hanging out there and a good whack can chip that tip easily.....I'd protect it with a prong.
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:42:33 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:45:44 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	Oh I forgot to add that polish and sym are both very good per the GIA cert.
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:45:44 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:50:20 PM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,898 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	Looks gorgeous to me!!! But want to know is that the permanent setting?? The tip should be protected, and in that setting it's not as FG pointed out. ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:50:20 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:51:02 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	Firegoddess - thanks for the feedback. Regarding the handshot - its just a dummy ring that the vendor has put the stone in to show me what it looks like. I havent seen the stone in the flesh yet. The vendor is telling me that the stone is very brilliant. I trust her opinion. The I colour is the only thing holding me back for the moment. Just need to get my head straight. Opinions are helpful. Does the idealscope look ok ?
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:51:02 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:52:06 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	SKR, did they just set that in a setting for a visual, or are you getting that setting?? And I personally think that thing is drop dead... ETA. nevermind! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:52:06 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:53:10 PM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,856 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	I agree that the pear looks gorgeous. Gosh, i have slowly become such a pear lover and that one makes me want one even more. I also agree that it definitely needs a new setting protecting the tip if that's a permanant one. ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:53:10 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:54:48 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	Ellen - thats just a dummy setting for the visual. Dont worry I am not going to spend that kind of money and not protect it !!!
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:54:48 PM

P: 10/12/2006 6:55:07 PM
indecisive Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,066 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 12/9/2005	That hand shot is yummy... and I am not a pear person. It looks very white to me. What are you planning for the setting?
Posted: 10/12/2006 6:55:07 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:02:49 PM
Eva17 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,005 Last Post: 9/25/2009 Member Since: 7/14/2006	Wow, that looks beautiful
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:02:49 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:09:36 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	As for the I color, of course all we have are the pics, but from them, I just don't see a problem. And I'm kinda picky. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:09:36 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:20:58 PM
FireGoddess Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,145 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2005	Like I said, the IS is nice. Typical leakage for a pear. Good to know that's not the real setting - the tip hanging out was a huge red flag. The I color is going to be a personal thing. I had an I colored round stone and I didn't end up liking the color I could see. I was going to try to upgrade to a G colored pear, and stumbled upon my D accidentally. Now I'm ruined forever. You should know that fancies like pears show more color in the tips...than a round of similar color would. So you should definitely make sure you're okay with an I.
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:20:58 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:26:04 PM
widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004	OMG....it looks incredible!!!!! Date: 10/12/2006 6:51:02 PM Author: SKR The vendor is telling me that the stone is very brilliant. I trust her opinion. The I colour is the only thing holding me back for the moment. Color sensitivity is such a personal thing. I know that an I color stone wouldn't bother me for one minute. Also remember that a brilliancy will mask any color a bit. I'd certainly want to see this one IRL before I'd reject it because of its I grading....it looks sensational! widget
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:26:04 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:27:48 PM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	Wow, I know nothing about pears but this pear looks amazing. It's just gorgeous! It looks amazing on the hand too, beautiful size. You'll have to decide for yourself about the I color. There was someone on here who had a J pear and in the end wasn't happy with it and traded it for a G round or something, but then there are many others on here with fancies with lower grades. Someone here has a three stone J colored radiant ring and it looks gorgeous. Personally, I don't mind the warmer colors as much as I thought I would, and I think it looks especially pretty on oliver colored or darker skin (although it was unclear whether that was your hand or not). How do you think you will set the pear if you decide to buy it?
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:27:48 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:28:12 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 10/12/2006 7:20:58 PM Author: FireGoddess Like I said, the IS is nice. Typical leakage for a pear. Good to know that's not the real setting - the tip hanging out was a huge red flag. The I color is going to be a personal thing. I had an I colored round stone and I didn't end up liking the color I could see. I was going to try to upgrade to a G colored pear, and stumbled upon my D accidentally. Now I'm ruined forever. You should know that fancies like pears show more color in the tips...than a round of similar color would. So you should definitely make sure you're okay with an I. FG, how representitive are these pics? I mean, could it look much more tinged in real life? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:28:12 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:30:40 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	Date: 10/12/2006 7:20:58 PM Author: FireGoddess Like I said, the IS is nice. Typical leakage for a pear. Good to know that's not the real setting - the tip hanging out was a huge red flag. The I color is going to be a personal thing. I had an I colored round stone and I didn't end up liking the color I could see. I was going to try to upgrade to a G colored pear, and stumbled upon my D accidentally. Now I'm ruined forever. You should know that fancies like pears show more color in the tips...than a round of similar color would. So you should definitely make sure you're okay with an I. I have seen some pear pics with the tip looking yellowish. However this stone in the pics looks ok as there doesnt seem to be any more yellow in the tip. The vendor (whiteflash) is also telling me that it faces up white and is more towards a H than a J and is a strong SI1. The other plus point is that it has minimal to non existant bow tie. As you mentioned the cut is good as well. Face up size is decent for the carat weight given the reasonable depth. If this was a G or a H colour, I would have raided the local bank for the extra cash.
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:30:40 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:32:49 PM
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004	wow! she's purty. did you ask about the color? i wouldn't think that the 60% depth would not hold much color but you could always ask. color is subjective of course but i think brian is pretty good at relaying those kind of details. (.¸(`.¸¸.´)¸.) ¨`.¸ belle¸. ´¨ (¸.(¸.´ `.¸).¸)
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:32:49 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:42:44 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	Who's Brian ? Regarding settings, I have a couple (one of which got rightfully dinged by some of the ladies here!!) in mind - I'll post some pics later. Also aren't the I and J bands supposed to be pretty wide ? So in I colour stones there can be significant colour variabilty depending on whether they just missed being classified as an H or got lucky and just escaped from falling to a J ?
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:42:44 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:49:19 PM
FireGoddess Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,145 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2005	Date: 10/12/2006 7:28:12 PM Author: Ellen FG, how representitive are these pics? I mean, could it look much more tinged in real life? For color, it's hard to tell. I could show you pictures of my stone (a D) taken in lighting that makes it look like an L. And every computer monitor is different... So I tend to reserve judgment on that unless there's another stone of different color grade in the same picture as some sort of reference.
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:49:19 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:51:33 PM
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004	brian is the diamond guy at wf http://whiteflash.com/diamonds_about/about_profile.aspx#3 you're right, the bands do get wider the farther down the color scale you go but any diamond can be 'high' or 'low' in their respective color range and some diamonds could easily be graded either way. maybe this is a 'high' 'i' that might have been graded an 'h' on another day? actually, in re-reading your post, it seems like this may be the case. i would at least have a look. they have a great return policy. if you're not completely happy, just send that baby right back and keep looking. the return shipping is only about $30. it's worth it for you peace of mind. (.¸(`.¸¸.´)¸.) ¨`.¸ belle¸. ´¨ (¸.(¸.´ `.¸).¸)
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:51:33 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:55:32 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	Here is a D colour pic I was sent as a comparison. Obviously unfair as this is many colours up but here goes -
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:55:32 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:55:39 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 10/12/2006 7:49:19 PM Author: FireGoddess Date: 10/12/2006 7:28:12 PM Author: Ellen FG, how representitive are these pics? I mean, could it look much more tinged in real life? For color, it's hard to tell. I could show you pictures of my stone (a D) taken in lighting that makes it look like an L. And every computer monitor is different... So I tend to reserve judgment on that unless there's another stone of different color grade in the same picture as some sort of reference. OK, makes sense. Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:55:39 PM

P: 10/12/2006 7:58:00 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	I agree with belle. When you're spending the kind of money you are, shipping is a drop in the bucket for peace of mind. Ship that thing home! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 10/12/2006 7:58:00 PM

P: 10/12/2006 8:00:10 PM
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006	Home is London - shipping would involve me flying over to Houston !!
Posted: 10/12/2006 8:00:10 PM

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