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Would you buy a 3ct F color stone with medium fluorescence ? |
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| P: 10/12/2006 5:57:59 AM | |
SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006 |
As per the title. I have read that most people would reject this outright but wanted your opinions again. Will medium blue have a negative impact on the F colour ? I always thought a hint of blue was a nice thing to have but the industry doesnt seem to like it much.
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 5:57:59 AM | |
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| P: 10/12/2006 6:03:38 AM | |
tanuki Cut Rock Total Posts: 341 Last Post: 12/27/2008 Member Since: 1/16/2005 |
I believe the issue is that too much fluorescence can make the diamond appear cloudy.
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 6:03:38 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 6:14:49 AM | |
Phoenix Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,028 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 10/5/2006 |
I've seen a couple of stones E, F colour with medium flourescence and indeed they look very cloudy, pretty yuk! sorry. On the other hand, my G colour earrings have medium and strong flouro and both look very white for their colour (almost like an F or better). I believe this is in accordance with what the experts say, ie. when buying colourless, stay away from fluoro, but for G onwards, it can be a good thing. Can you view the stone before you buy and see if it has this milky / cloudy appearance?
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 6:14:49 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 6:48:24 AM | |
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,222 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
To put this flourescence concern into perspective, one of our experts and vendors who posts here has been selling diamonds for many years, it is usually only strong blue that might cause the oily or cloudy effect. This person has seen a negative effect on only a handful of diamonds with strong blue in all the thousands of diamonds he has sold. So I wouldn't be too concerned at all about the flourescence in the F - just check with the vendor that there aren't any negative effects ( shouldn't be) and go from there Lien as it is rare that diamonds display a bad effect with even strong flourescence , do you think the cloudiness you noticed in the diamonds you mention could have been to them perhaps being dirty or filmy, very included or badly cut? Also the cloudy effect of flourescence if there is a negative with it, will only normally show itself in some light such as bright sunlight etc.
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 6:48:24 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 7:07:06 AM | |
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Phoenix Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,028 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 10/5/2006 |
you're right, Lorelei, I remember looking at these on a very bright summer day in a shop window and subsequently inside the shop under very bright lights. Perhaps they were poorly cut too, I didn't enquire as I was quite put off by them. What I remember is the sales assistant saying they had flouro. Mind you, it might have been strong floro, not medium as I previously wrote.
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 7:07:06 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 7:48:31 AM | |
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SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006 |
Thanks for the replies. I will find out. Lien - in terms of going to Antwerp to buy diamonds do you have any recommended dealers ?
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 7:48:31 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 8:01:23 AM | |
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
1. ther nearer you get to a dealers market the more likely you will get burned. 2. I would not buy Drena a big diamond with less than strong blue fluoro in D-F 3. I saw 3 cloudy diamonds this year. I see about 500 diamonds a week. Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 10/12/2006 8:01:23 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 8:05:34 AM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
many jewellers make a mistake of overlighting their displays - this makes the diamonds appear dark - just as they do in very bright direct sunlight. Sometimes when the diamonds face directly at the window - they look dark and dull - if you go inside and look from where the diamonds are - you can see the glass looks quite dark ecause of the blazing lights - so too much of a good thing does not work (except s_x?) Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 10/12/2006 8:05:34 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 8:08:09 AM | |
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SKR Cut Rock Total Posts: 167 Last Post: 12/16/2007 Member Since: 10/1/2006 |
Date: 10/12/2006 8:01:23 AM Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) 1. ther nearer you get to a dealers market the more likely you will get burned. 2. I would not buy Drena a big diamond with less than strong blue fluoro in D-F 3. I saw 3 cloudy diamonds this year. I see about 500 diamonds a week. So Gary, in point 2 you are contradicting most people. You actually look for a strong flour to go with the colourless range ?
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 8:08:09 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 8:17:42 AM | |
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Phoenix Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,028 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 10/5/2006 |
Garry, why do you say the more you get to a dealers market, the more you're likely to get burned?
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 8:17:42 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 8:25:56 AM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
Yes You will find many diamontaires who prefer fluoro diamonds. Most people who dont like fluoro are those who either 1. know they are harder to sell because it is reported on certificates and 90% of retail sales people have no idea how to explain it 2. some labs (eg GIA) do not filter out UV light from their grading lamps - so many fluoro diamonds are said to (or really do) get a higher color grade because of the fluoro. I take the diamond as oit is - a top color that looks whiter than white in daylight is my kinda diamond. And if I resell Drena's diamond - I have no problem showing people non and strong stones and once well educated - many of my top clients will only ever buy strong and even very strong blue. Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 10/12/2006 8:25:56 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 9:40:12 AM | |
Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,597 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
I wouldn't reject it outright, I *looked* for stones with med blue flour... I was *dissappointed* when mine only had faint LOL (not enough to pass but still) and if I had a colorless stone I'd want it even more. I don't need it since my J has some beautiful color, but if I had a colorless I'd definitely want some flour to spice it up!
Sara |
| Posted: 10/12/2006 9:40:12 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 9:43:57 AM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,597 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 10/12/2006 6:14:49 AM Author: lienTN I've seen a couple of stones E, F colour with medium flourescence and indeed they look very cloudy, pretty yuk! sorry. On the other hand, my G colour earrings have medium and strong flouro and both look very white for their colour (almost like an F or better). I believe this is in accordance with what the experts say, ie. when buying colourless, stay away from fluoro, but for G onwards, it can be a good thing. Can you view the stone before you buy and see if it has this milky / cloudy appearance? I've seen one that quite literally looked to be in a *fog* - it wasn't milky or oily - and it wasn't inclusions - the aura hung around on top of or radiated out of the stone in this foggy halo LOL That was a VERY extreme case though, I have faint flour and in the brightest of bright sunlights I can see it a little... I'd *love* med flour. Sara |
| Posted: 10/12/2006 9:43:57 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 9:47:50 AM | |
just_looking! Cut Rock Total Posts: 481 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2004 |
I'd jump at the chance! My favourite is D with medium or strong blue fluorescence. So far I have this combo in a solitaire pendant and there are new earring studs waiting for me for my wedding anniversary on the 15th. I also like the fact that others don't want fluor in their D's so I get a better price. I just wish there were more of them around!! ============================= |
| Posted: 10/12/2006 9:47:50 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 10:04:22 AM | |
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,905 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004 |
Of course I would. As long as it wasn't milky or cloudy. My ering stone is 2.36 E VVS2 and has medium blue. My asscher is an E VS1 with strong blue. It is clear as day. And my oval that I am getting today has medium blue. So I actually prefer it. 
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 10:04:22 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 10:31:49 AM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,597 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 10/12/2006 9:47:50 AM Author: just_looking! I'd jump at the chance! My favourite is D with medium or strong blue fluorescence. So far I have this combo in a solitaire pendant and there are new earring studs waiting for me for my wedding anniversary on the 15th. I also like the fact that others don't want fluor in their D's so I get a better price. I just wish there were more of them around!! I was given info on a stone that I would have LOVED to buy but it was out of my price range (they wouldn't even tell me by how much LOL) 2.53 is F-VS1 Very Strong Blue, 55% table, 8.54x7.06x4.98mm OMC ---- I would have LOVED to get my hands on that stone!!!!!! Not sure where the carat weight was hiding since mine is a half mm wider and a full mm longer but only .18 larger LOL But who cares! I bet that was one hell of an OMC ::sigh:: I seriously told vendors I wanted a J or D strong LOL No middle ground for me!!! Sara |
| Posted: 10/12/2006 10:31:49 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 10:56:51 AM | |
Julian Ideal Rock Total Posts: 724 Last Post: 2/5/2007 Member Since: 9/5/2004 |
I have flour. envy.  I adore blue flashes in diamonds, as long as it doesn't make the stone look cloudy. If we could inject flour. into diamonds, I'd sign up for a dose of blue anyday!
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 10:56:51 AM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 12:30:50 PM | |
Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
RE: Would you buy a 3ct F color stone with medium flour ? ========================= IN A HEARTBEAT! Wink Wink Jones |
| Posted: 10/12/2006 12:30:50 PM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 12:43:13 PM | |
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Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Hmm. Just to answer any questions that might come from that post... No, I am not involved with that stone in any way, don't know who has it, never saw it probably never will see it. Fluorescence is probably one of the biggest most stupid scare tactics ever started by an industry during a period when it was selling any papered diamond for more money this week than they bought it for last week. It took at least two minutes to explain fluorescence to the uneducated buyers who were buying these stones for "investment" purposes so they just dropped the price and said fluorescence was a bad thing. Prior to the incestment craze we actually got a premium of about 10% for fluorescent stones since they looked so nice and sort of magical if the fluorescence was strong enough to add a faint blue cast to the stone out of doors. Overblues were of course just as hard to sell then as they are now. So if you are buying the stone for beauty of the cut and beauty of the color, jump on it and ignore the people who try to scare you with the fluorescence is bad boogy man. Of course, if it is poorly cut and ugly, then the fluorescence will not help, or hurt the appearance of the gem. But from only the parameters of your question the answer remains, IN A HEARTBEAT! Wink Wink Jones |
| Posted: 10/12/2006 12:43:13 PM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 1:51:35 PM | |
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,912 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
i would love a stone with med blue fluor!!! of course i wouldn't buy an F as my top choice .... so i'm not really the market for the Q...but i was hoping that when i got my latest upgrade it would have some fluor. it does have slight blue but i wish it had medium, it'd just be that much more fun!!
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 1:51:35 PM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 1:58:57 PM | |
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Ann Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,527 Last Post: 6/1/2007 Member Since: 9/24/2004 |
Date: 10/12/2006 10:04:22 AM Author: Kaleigh Of course I would. As long as it wasn't milky or cloudy. My ering stone is 2.36 E VVS2 and has medium blue. My asscher is an E VS1 with strong blue. It is clear as day. And my oval that I am getting today has medium blue. So I actually prefer it. Not to ignore the original post, but.. Kaleigh can't wait to see this! I am glad this question was asked and we have vendors responding. I was one of those uneducated buyers who shunned flor.. But now I will look with an open mind and open eyes!
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 1:58:57 PM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 2:15:23 PM | |
FireGoddess Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,145 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2005 |
I'd buy an F with med blue fluor in a heartbeat.
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 2:15:23 PM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 2:22:12 PM | |
gail013 Cut Rock Total Posts: 335 Last Post: 4/6/2007 Member Since: 9/21/2006 |
I am glad to hear this, as I am looking at a 3.5 carat RB, M in color, ideal cut, but with strong blue fl. I thought it was quite beautiful . The stone actually faces up quite white, and seems to have alot of fire. I am also having a wax made, and was just told today it is ready for me to look at, but I can't get there until proably Monday! The suspense! I'm a little afraid that when I go back the stone won't look as lovely. I can tell you though, that if fl. does't bother you, you can save quite a bit of money!
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 2:22:12 PM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 2:28:04 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,597 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 10/12/2006 2:22:12 PM oh I can relte to this LOL I start remembering my stone lie a piece of glass then when I go in I feel this glee and wheeeee it's so sparkley!!!! lol!
Author: gail013 I am glad to hear this, as I am looking at a 3.5 carat RB, M in color, ideal cut, but with strong blue fl. I thought it was quite beautiful . The stone actually faces up quite white, and seems to have alot of fire. I am also having a wax made, and was just told today it is ready for me to look at, but I can't get there until proably Monday! The suspense! I'm a little afraid that when I go back the stone won't look as lovely. I can tell you though, that if fl. does't bother you, you can save quite a bit of money! Sara |
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| P: 10/12/2006 2:30:37 PM | |
Kay Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,451 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/20/2003 |
Date: 10/12/2006 8:25:56 AM Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) I take the diamond as oit is - a top color that looks whiter than white in daylight is my kinda diamond. Yep, me too. My e-ring has a D with medium blue and the color is amazing. The appraiser said it looked even whiter/crisper than a D usually does.
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 2:30:37 PM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 3:59:41 PM | |
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006 |
Would I buy a 3 carat F stone with med blue flour? I would definitely consider an F with med blue or even strong blue if a trusted vendor eye-balled it and said it didn't impact performance. I think a little flour can be pretty and It will save you some money at those high color ranges.
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 3:59:41 PM | |
| P: 10/12/2006 4:32:07 PM | |
susi Cut Rock Total Posts: 379 Last Post: 1/30/2009 Member Since: 10/14/2005 |
I would not know that my 3ct HOF I colored diamond is a strong blue.....were it not on my AGS report. I cannot see any indication of it in any light setting
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 4:32:07 PM | |
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Anthony K Rough Rock Total Posts: 42 Last Post: 4/27/2007 Member Since: 8/12/2006 |
I am some how reminded of the old blue-white faze O NO I SAID TOO MUCH......
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| Posted: 10/12/2006 9:24:44 PM | |
| P: 10/13/2006 12:31:50 AM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
Many of you are using very bad spelling (ha ha - coming from me - the worst in the world!!!) The word is Fluorescence and the abbrieviation has the U before the O - fluoro - that's the word. So SKR - let us know what you gunna do!!! Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 10/13/2006 12:31:50 AM | |
| P: 10/13/2006 12:47:23 AM | |
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Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,905 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004 |
Date: 10/13/2006 12:31:50 AM Gosh Garry you're right, I haven't mispelled it in this thread, but know I have in others. I am going to write it down on a flash card and put it next to my computer. Oh and while I'm at it isn't it :Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) Many of you are using very bad spelling (ha ha - coming from me - the worst in the world!!!) The word is Fluorescence and the abbrieviation has the U before the O - fluoro - that's the word. So SKR - let us know what you gunna do!!! let us know what you're gonna do?? Not up on Aussie lingo I guess!!  SKR, good luck in your decision!!! ____________________________ |
| Posted: 10/13/2006 12:47:23 AM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
Date: 10/13/2006 12:47:23 AM Hey Kaliegh i cant spell the Queens English, or your american bastardization - and ya spect me to get slang spult right????Author: Kaleigh Date: 10/13/2006 12:31:50 AM Gosh Garry you're right, I haven't mispelled it in this thread, but know I have in others. I am going to write it down on a flash card and put it next to my computer. Oh and while I'm at it isn't it :Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) Many of you are using very bad spelling (ha ha - coming from me - the worst in the world!!!) The word is Fluorescence and the abbrieviation has the U before the O - fluoro - that's the word. So SKR - let us know what you gunna do!!! let us know what you're gonna do?? Not up on Aussie lingo I guess!! SKR, good luck in your decision!!! (Tell er she's dreamin) Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
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