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Asschers, AGS Cut Grading, and Royal Asscher Company |
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| P: 9/16/2006 2:56:06 PM | |
kenny Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,871 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
I want an Asscher. But I won’t buy one now because I don’t have confidence in my ability to pick a good cut. YMMV. Picking out a well-cut asscher today is just too complicated and mysterious for my comfort level. I believe I speak for many consumers. I trust AGS’s cut grading system for rounds and princesses. I have confidence in AGS 0 cut diamonds, especially rounds with HCAs near 1.0, and when they fall in the middle of BOTH GIA's Excellent and AGS's Ideal range. I am very much into trusting AGS cut system and tools as opposed to the word of people who sell diamonds. Sorry, that's just how I am. And again I believe I speak for many consumers. Soon AGS will be grading what they call “square emerald cut, rectangular emerald cut” diamonds. (I called them and they refused to use the word "asscher". They wouldn't even answer my question as to whether it is the same cut as an asscher. The person I spoke to was obviously very well trained to dance around this apparently sensitive topic.) Is “square emerald cut” another term for asscher? Does it have the same number of facets, pavilion steps and similar angles? And will it have the same angles and number of facets as the asscher from the Royal Asscher Company? Are there any patent problems? Might this be a slightly different cut from Royal Asscher to avoid patent infringement problems? If so, will the authentic Royal Asscher diamond still hold an advantage? (Perhaps I am underinformed again but I consider the Royal Asscher to be the gold standard of Asshers, I can go out today and buy one and be guaranteed of getting an Asscher that is near ideal in cut, like ACA, Eightstar, Hearts on Fire, or Supercert.) If it is the same I’d guess the Royal Asscher Company is very nervous right now. My impression as a consumer is that I will soon be able to buy an “asscher” that is just as optimized in cut as the Royal Asscher for much less. Am I misinformed? Below is a snip from AGS’s website under Press Release: http://www.agslab.com/news/news.asp AGS Laboratories Announces the Release of Emerald Cut Grade June 20, 2006. The American Gem Society Laboratories announced today they would begin issuing the Diamond QualityTM Document for the new American Gem Society (AGS) Performance-based Cut Grade system on several shapes for the emerald cut beginning in the next few months. This is the industry's first cut grade for the emerald cut. The AGS Gemological Sciences Committee approved the AGS Performance Cut Grading System for three new shapes: square emerald cut, rectangular emerald cut and an octagon step cut. ___________________ Keep asking questions. |
| Posted: 9/16/2006 2:56:06 PM | |
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| P: 9/16/2006 3:17:38 PM | |
decodelighted Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,629 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2005 |
Welllll ... I don't agree with your assumption that "Royal Asschers" are "optimized" in cut. They're just *different*. It's more like comparing Solefstra's to H&A's ... which one is "optimized"? Ya know? One just has MORE facets. Is that "optimal"? Depends on which visual look you prefer. Whether these new AGS 000 Square Emeralds have four pavillion steps or five pavillion steps will be interesting to see. The short-hand term "Asscher" refers to what is basically a square emerald cut. The "asscher-ish-ness" of any square emerald usually relates to how deeply the corners are cut, how high the crown is, how small the table is etc ... Royal Asschers are simply a patented type of square emerald ... with five pavillion steps, generally smallish tables etc. Nothing super magical about them & in fact, many find them too "busy" like Solefstra or Eighternity in smaller carat sizes. Antique or heirloom "asschers" generally look more like "Generic" Asschers/Square Emerald cuts *than* "Royal Asschers" FWIW, I don't believe anyone will be able to infringe upon the trademark the Royal Asscher folks have on their particular cut ... NOR do I believe that AGS 000 Square Emeralds will suffer any in beauty because of that.  Can't wait to see your future Asscher! I'm sure it'll be a stunner! 
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| Posted: 9/16/2006 3:17:38 PM | |
| P: 9/16/2006 3:47:07 PM | |
Capitol Bill Cut Rock Total Posts: 187 Last Post: 9/16/2006 Member Since: 6/7/2005 |
Kenny, Here is a thread with some information for you. At this summer's Las Vegas diamond show I had a very pleasant visit with one of the members of the Asscher family. When I mentioned the upcoming AGS grading of square emerald cuts, she was unaware of this. So I made sure she met Peter Yantzer to get the scoop directly from him. When I spoke with Peter Yantzer later that day I was told the AGS will only be offering light performance data on square emeralds with the traditional number of facets. The extra facets of the Royal Asscher preclude it from being analyzed accurately by the AGS ray tracing database. I have not yet seen an AGS-0 asscher in person (only a photo). That said, I'm sure they will be gorgeous (the photo sure was!). Royal Asschers, especially in the larger sizes, also are a site to behold. If you're interested in acquiring an asscher or Royal Asscher, you should check them out in person and determine which one speaks to you more. Best of luck! Bill Scherlag IceMine.com |
| Posted: 9/16/2006 3:47:07 PM | |
| P: 9/16/2006 4:19:02 PM | |
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kenny Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,871 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Thanks Well then there is no competition if the RA has many more facets. I expect I will prefer the look of fewer facets for larger flashes of light - especially since I'm not going for a big old honker. I really like the emerald look with few large facets. I also don't mind going up in clarity and color, which is more necessary in these less more naked and busy diamonds. In that case I will be in the market for a square-cut Emerald that gets AGS 0 cut grade. ___________________ |
| Posted: 9/16/2006 4:19:02 PM | |
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