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This is what's going on...(long)

P: 8/24/2006 9:50:04 PM
JT Rough Rock Total Posts: 66 Last Post: 10/12/2006 Member Since: 8/6/2006	Ok, I picked up the ring today and what a day... I picked up the ring and it looked amazing! Everything thing looked great, but that bad feeling was still stuck somewhere in my stomach. I had some time before my appointment with an independent appraiser, so for the fun of it I stopped by Donald Haack Diamonds to get their opinion. They actually asked me if they could take a look at because they wanted to see what kind of diamond they are selling for 3200. This was no problem because their opinion wasn’t going to matter to me anyway since I was having someone neutral look at it. I walked in and handed the ring over along with the appraisal (Diamonds Direct didn’t even give me a copy of the GIA report). Obviously the appraisal had everything the GIA report had minus the diagram. They placed it under a microscope and looked at for literally a minute. They handed back over and explained what they saw. 1. There was a huge cavity in the corner 2. I was told there was no laser etched number on it, there was 3. GIA cert, but the inscription didn't have “GIA” before the id number. Come to find out the id numbers and “GIA” letters had an explanation. The cavity, however, didn’t. I went over the diamond with the gentlemen and he explained this was one of the cleanest SI2s he had ever seen. He proceeded to tell me there were only a few very small inclusions under the table and that’s why it was an SI2. I asked him to point them out and he did. There were 3 whitish black specs under the table you could only see using the loupe. I looked at the graph of the diamond on the GIA report and sure enough, those specs were on there. However, I didn’t notice the mess of lines in one corner of the diamond on the report. Come to find out there is a nice size cavity in that corner. When I brought it back the guy acted surprised and said he wished (along with me) had looked at it under a microscope. I felt that was total BS. He knew that cavity was there long before he ordered it from Israel. This guy knows diamonds and he would never let something like that slip his mind. I came home and did my own research. I was tired of hearing everyone else’s opinions on a stone with a cavity. This cavity in particular is not good. It sits right under the table on the very corner. If it set off to the side or somewhere other than the corner it would be ok. I learned that if princess cut diamonds aren’t set properly (ie too much pressure) corners can chip/break. This risk is much greater if the corner has a cavity in it. Could an expert verify my research? Needless to say I’m done. The ring goes back Tuesday and they have a check waiting for me. I’m taking a week off from “diamond haggling”, doing some more research, and going back out with a new arsenal of information. Thanks for everyone’s advice and I will be looking for more in the near future.
Posted: 8/24/2006 9:50:04 PM

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P: 8/24/2006 10:00:10 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Sorry you had a bad time, and the diamond wasn't what you expected. But at least you were prudent, had it looked at, and can still return it! Good luck, and I hope things get better. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/24/2006 10:00:10 PM

P: 8/24/2006 10:48:36 PM
:) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,864 Last Post: 6/1/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2006	Oh, JT, I am so sorry. I know just how horrible that feels. I was thinking about you today and hoping that you would update us with happy news. You will find a beautiful diamond for your beautiful bride, I promise. We are cheering for you. Please keep us updated because I want to hear the happy news when you find your special stone. Lisa
Posted: 8/24/2006 10:48:36 PM

P: 8/24/2006 11:29:10 PM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	I'm so sorry to hear that JT! That's terrible news. I'm really proud of you for doing your research and making an informed decision though. Imagine how terrible it would have felt if you found out years later. At least this way you can return the ring and get something nice. It seems funny, but I've actually had really good customer service and quality from online diamond vendors. You might want to give one of the pricescope online vendors a try.
Posted: 8/24/2006 11:29:10 PM

P: 8/25/2006 12:20:24 AM
Groovy Chick Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 5/26/2007 Member Since: 11/11/2003	That is disappointing, but at least you can return it. A few days after I got engaged I noticed a visible inclusion in my original e-ring which I had not known about when purchasing. I had not been properly informed what SI2 meant and was under the impression that only a grading of I meant you could see inclusions with the naked eye It was extremely disappointing to say the least! I now have a new eyeclean diamond thankfully. So, I can relate to your disappointment. Don't worry, you will find the perfect stone for your lovely girl :)
Posted: 8/25/2006 12:20:24 AM

P: 8/25/2006 12:36:46 AM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	JT, you did a great job! You had the stone checked and found something you couldn't live with. So that's good. I'll tell you honestly, you'll have more luck if you look at SI1's. There should be less significant inclusions with those. You might have to spend some serious time looking at SI2's to get a really good one. And all diamonds do not have a laser inscription, so that wouldn't matter. Are you open at all to looking at diamonds from some of these vendors? At least you'd know more what you're getting considering they have a lot to lose if they did something like what happened to you at DD and you posted on here! Check out Good Old Gold, WhiteFlash and Winfield's. Look for the AGS0 grading. ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 8/25/2006 12:36:46 AM

P: 8/25/2006 2:39:03 AM
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,145 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005	You need to take it to an independent appraiser, which you are going to do The danger in chipping is mostly during the setting process. If it is already properly set, and the cavity is under the table, not near the corner, you should have the appraiser give you a thumbs up or down. Insurance?
Posted: 8/25/2006 2:39:03 AM

P: 8/25/2006 5:01:21 PM
JT Rough Rock Total Posts: 66 Last Post: 10/12/2006 Member Since: 8/6/2006	Thanks everyone. Yes, I have considered purchasing online and at this point it's looking better and better. It was going to an idependent appraiser but even if he said it was ok I still couldn't have lived with it. I just feel like my budget allows for something better than that. I will probably change my search to atleast SI1 if not VVS2. Thanks again an I will keep you posted.
Posted: 8/25/2006 5:01:21 PM

P: 8/25/2006 5:19:26 PM
FireGoddess Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,145 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2005	Sorry to hear this. It is great that you can return it though, and get what you want.
Posted: 8/25/2006 5:19:26 PM

P: 8/25/2006 5:35:56 PM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	JT, if you're sure you don't want it (and I agree), I think I'd skip paying for an independent appraisal on it. Save that money for the next stone! ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 8/25/2006 5:35:56 PM

P: 8/25/2006 6:05:05 PM
JT Rough Rock Total Posts: 66 Last Post: 10/12/2006 Member Since: 8/6/2006	To answer a post above, yes it will be insured. I called the guy and he said there would be a 100% refund, but I won't rest easy untill I actually have the check in hand. I was reading on the back of a receipt also and it does say 30 day returns.
Posted: 8/25/2006 6:05:05 PM

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