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| P: 7/21/2006 7:23:04 PM | |
Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,619 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Okay, I KNOW the 'correct' forum to put this on would be rocky talky, but I already post there way too much and mostly I want to be talked out of liking this stone, because it's ROUND lol! But I can't help it... I do like the stats (to the best of my understanding) and I'm so frustrated with the whole non-round thing and I think to myself, yanno... let's just DO this! I didn't want to go under a J but really, I don't care that much about the color... I do want some flour though, I think it'd be fun. So... talk me down from the ledge LOL please :) GIA HCA 1.3 8.48-8.51x5.13 2.28c k vs2 cut excellent polish vg sym ex flour med blue table 59 depth 60.4 pav 40.8 crown 33.5 Sara The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious - the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. ~ Albert Einstein ~ |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 7:23:04 PM | |
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| P: 7/21/2006 7:50:28 PM | |
widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004 |
Oh, Cehra....how could you!! An RB??? A garden variety RB???? Just kidding of course...but I was getting such a vicarious thrill with you antique cushion quest. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do.... widget
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 7:50:28 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 8:04:14 PM | |
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
where are all these 60/60 stones coming from all of a sudden?! you're right, this should be in RT...the mods will probably move it for you. ________________________________ |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 8:04:14 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 8:18:58 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,619 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 7/21/2006 7:50:28 PM Author: widget Oh, Cehra....how could you!! An RB??? A garden variety RB???? Just kidding of course...but I was getting such a vicarious thrill with you antique cushion quest. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do.... widget no no NOOOOOOO you're not supposed to say I gotta do what I gotta do --- you're supposed to say NO DON'T DO IT YOU FOOL YOU'LL REGRET IT!!! lol Sara |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 8:18:58 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 8:21:41 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,619 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 7/21/2006 8:04:14 PM Author: Mara where are all these 60/60 stones coming from all of a sudden?! you're right, this should be in RT...the mods will probably move it for you. Well I hope they don't, because this is much less about the diamond than it is about me being frustrated and weary and seeking encouragement LOL Or rather *discouragement* from getting a "nice round" LOL I really wish I could get away from the kids for a bit and go shopping... I can't *imagine* taking three little kids with me to a fine jeweler LOL I've never laid eyes on an OMC and yet from what I hear (read) they're going to be more what I want... but I *have* seen ideal rounds and I know they're really spectacular... ::sigh:: Sara |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 8:21:41 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,619 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 7/21/2006 8:21:41 PM Author: Cehrabehra Date: 7/21/2006 8:04:14 PM Author: Mara where are all these 60/60 stones coming from all of a sudden?! you're right, this should be in RT...the mods will probably move it for you. Well I hope they don't, because this is much less about the diamond than it is about me being frustrated and weary and seeking encouragement LOL Or rather *discouragement* from getting a 'nice round' LOL I really wish I could get away from the kids for a bit and go shopping... I can't *imagine* taking three little kids with me to a fine jeweler LOL I've never laid eyes on an OMC and yet from what I hear (read) they're going to be more what I want... but I *have* seen ideal rounds and I know they're really spectacular... ::sigh:: I feel like Lennie in OMAM, "George... tell me more about the disco balls..." hehehe Sara |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 8:24:13 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 8:47:23 PM | |
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Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
cehr, i really do suggest that you do get into a store to see things in person. research online is all fine and good but you don't know until you have seen different shapes in person. it's kind of hard to help someone who doesn't even know what they really want. you are going to have to be a little more proactive physically to figure things out IMO. people on PS are fabulous about assistance, but we have had some people on here recently who try even a saint's patience, you DON'T want to be one of those people right? right?!?! 
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 8:47:23 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 8:47:45 PM | |
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,860 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005 |
ok, please don't settle. if you love and want a RB go for it but if your heart is set on a fancy you need to stick with that. I have kids and know how hard it is to search in person but seriously you only need a vendor whom you can trust to find what you want. Once they get it you can have that stone sent to you or a nearby appraiser. If you do decide to go for a round, you'll need to see a few in person to be sure of the color and the sparkle. there are a few 60/60 stone lovers around here but most don't prefer them. You'll need to see a few to see what your eye likes.
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 8:47:45 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 8:52:22 PM | |
Dee*Jay Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,491 Last Post: 9/23/2009 Member Since: 3/26/2006 |
First I had a pear, then I had the oval from hell, and finally now I've moved on to rounds. Ceh, I understand where you're coming from. And at first I thought I was just "settling" because it was easier (it's NOT, by the way) but now that I have a round I'm enjoying it quite a bit ('till the next round--or whatever--comes along). Seriously, take Mara and Mrs. S's advice and go see what's appealing to your eye in person. P.S. - Mara, am I one of the ones that tried the PS saints' patience?!
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 8:52:22 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 8:53:20 PM | |
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Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
LOL no DJ you were quite easy actually...well mostly. 
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 8:53:20 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 8:59:38 PM | |
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mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,860 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005 |
Date: 7/21/2006 8:52:22 PM Author: Dee*Jay P.S. - Mara, am I one of the ones that tried the PS saints' patience?! i didn't drive the gang nuts with my stone selection process...now the setting, that's a totally different story  
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 8:59:38 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:01:44 PM | |
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Dee*Jay Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,491 Last Post: 9/23/2009 Member Since: 3/26/2006 |
Oh, Mrs. S., once I have The Stone in hand my setting proces will begin too, LOL! What have you decided by the way? I've been living vicariously through you!
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:01:44 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:04:15 PM | |
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,920 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004 |
If i got a new stone, it would be sooo hard to choose the setting. I am loving all the upgrades going on now. But I would have no clue what to choose.
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:04:15 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:05:16 PM | |
hlmr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,333 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004 |
Awwwww, Mara, everyone is feeling guilty now for trying the PS saints' patience............. 
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:05:16 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:05:53 PM | |
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mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,860 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005 |
Date: 7/21/2006 9:01:44 PM Author: Dee*Jay Oh, Mrs. S., once I have The Stone in hand my setting proces will begin too, LOL! What have you decided by the way? I've been living vicariously through you! I haven't decided yet Dee Jay  and driving hubby and bill p. nuts. I'm actually waiting for the new memoire rings to come in. after I see them, i'll decide if i'm going to go with that set and a custom head, a solitaire/eternity set or the Ritani. I'm hoping it will be one of those 3.
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:05:53 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:08:09 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,619 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 7/21/2006 8:47:23 PM ::sighs again:: well... the bright news for you then is that we're having a huge party here on saturday with out of town guests and then we're leaving for vacation for 2 weeks... so... I'm just making it so that you remember me in 3 weeks... yeah, that's the ticket! ;) Author: Mara cehr, i really do suggest that you do get into a store to see things in person. research online is all fine and good but you don't know until you have seen different shapes in person. it's kind of hard to help someone who doesn't even know what they really want. you are going to have to be a little more proactive physically to figure things out IMO. people on PS are fabulous about assistance, but we have had some people on here recently who try even a saint's patience, you DON'T want to be one of those people right? right?!?! (<~ fails to mention will have computer access the whole time ROFL) But hey - was that an offer to babysit so I can go shopping? It sure sounded like one!! :) Sara |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:08:09 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:11:46 PM | |
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Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
Date: 7/21/2006 9:05:16 PM Author: hlmr Awwwww, Mara, everyone is feeling guilty now for trying the PS saints' patience............. haha heather, i guess i have the knack for saying what people are thinking but never actually SAY... i actually love living vicariously through people with their upgrades or settings or similar, but people have to at some point, help themselves in order for PS'ers to help them get further on their decisions. ________________________________ |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:11:46 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:12:36 PM | |
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Dee*Jay Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,491 Last Post: 9/23/2009 Member Since: 3/26/2006 |
Date: 7/21/2006 9:05:53 PM Author: mrssalvo I haven't decided yet Dee Jay and driving hubby and bill p. nuts. I'm actually waiting for the new memoire rings to come in. after I see them, i'll decide if i'm going to go with that set and a custom head, a solitaire/eternity set or the Ritani. I'm hoping it will be one of those 3. Ceh, first of all sorry for the threadjack!!! Mrs. S., today I went to a jewler with a friend of mine whose emerald ring (of less than 3 months!) was stolen from her house and she is working with the insurance company to replace it. The jewler had brought in some stones and we were looking at settings too. "Is that the Gumuchian Fils* Eiffle Tower setting?" I screamed! (Which is one of the settings I was considering for my new round [whenever it might eventually present itself].) The jeweler was incredibly impressed, and my friend just took that as one more sign that I'm absolutely out of my mind. But, long story short, now that I've seen the setting in person I don't want it any more at all. So I totally understand waht you're going through. You poor thing! (*I mispronounced Gumuchian Fils in a horrible way, I must confess!)
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:12:36 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:13:18 PM | |
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Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
cehr i don't know your situation but are you NEVER without your children???  girl, hire a babysitter for a few hours, go to the stores!!!!! ________________________________ |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:13:18 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:15:00 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,619 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 7/21/2006 8:52:22 PM Author: Dee*Jay First I had a pear, then I had the oval from hell, and finally now I've moved on to rounds. Ceh, I understand where you're coming from. And at first I thought I was just 'settling' because it was easier (it's NOT, by the way) but now that I have a round I'm enjoying it quite a bit ('till the next round--or whatever--comes along). Seriously, take Mara and Mrs. S's advice and go see what's appealing to your eye in person. P.S. - Mara, am I one of the ones that tried the PS saints' patience?! I really don't mean to sound whiney - but, but, but, - I can go out relatively easy to see rounds... and it would be a lot more work to get out to see an OMC, and even then I'm *afraid* I'll be disappointed by the old cut. Not an OMC itself, but the selection available - old proportions, lack of symmetry etc. And I hesitate to go look at more rounds without seeing a GOOD OMC because I don't want to be won over, quite simply. So yes... my ignorance is somewhat on purpose at this point... I have leads, but I'm impatient and I need to be patient. I feel compelled to research this since there is just absolutely nothing out there about OMC, and what I end up researching is how fantabulistic rounds can be. It's discouraging to find all of the info on OMC saying, oh well yeah no one cuts them anymore because they don't perform like these round brilliants over here... anyway, as I was saying about round brilliants... I feel hopeful yet discouraged and the mix is very unsettling. That's why I posted here instead of RT. I guess I'm looking for some extra stamina! LOL Sara |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:15:00 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:17:07 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,619 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 7/21/2006 8:59:38 PM Author: mrssalvo Date: 7/21/2006 8:52:22 PM Author: Dee*Jay P.S. - Mara, am I one of the ones that tried the PS saints' patience?! i didn't drive the gang nuts with my stone selection process...now the setting, that's a totally different story well, then I'll do the opposite LOL Because the setting is going to be easy for me. I will have it custom done and I already have more ideas than I can use LOL But narrowing them down won't be a problem... I'm doing it with my husband :) Sara |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:17:07 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:19:35 PM | |
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Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
Date: 7/21/2006 9:15:00 PM Author: Cehrabehra Date: 7/21/2006 8:52:22 PM Author: Dee*Jay First I had a pear, then I had the oval from hell, and finally now I've moved on to rounds. Ceh, I understand where you're coming from. And at first I thought I was just 'settling' because it was easier (it's NOT, by the way) but now that I have a round I'm enjoying it quite a bit ('till the next round--or whatever--comes along). Seriously, take Mara and Mrs. S's advice and go see what's appealing to your eye in person. P.S. - Mara, am I one of the ones that tried the PS saints' patience?! I really don't mean to sound whiney - but, but, but, - I can go out relatively easy to see rounds... and it would be a lot more work to get out to see an OMC, and even then I'm *afraid* I'll be disappointed by the old cut. Not an OMC itself, but the selection available - old proportions, lack of symmetry etc. And I hesitate to go look at more rounds without seeing a GOOD OMC because I don't want to be won over, quite simply. So yes... my ignorance is somewhat on purpose at this point... I have leads, but I'm impatient and I need to be patient. I feel compelled to research this since there is just absolutely nothing out there about OMC, and what I end up researching is how fantabulistic rounds can be. It's discouraging to find all of the info on OMC saying, oh well yeah no one cuts them anymore because they don't perform like these round brilliants over here... anyway, as I was saying about round brilliants... I feel hopeful yet discouraged and the mix is very unsettling. That's why I posted here instead of RT. I guess I'm looking for some extra stamina! LOL So you think you want an OMC but you don't really know enough about the cut nor have you seen a nice one in person...but you think this is the cut for you? Honestly with old stones you really HAVE to see them to fall in love with them. You cannot sit on here and ask people to DESCRIBE the cut to you. It just does not work...you never quite get the full picture. Find a place where you CAN see a well-cut OMC or even just a selection of them and get over there. If you can't do that now, then continue to research but don't think about giving in to get a round, that's just silly! How can you give up on something when you haven't even really scratched the surface because you are limiting yourself? Bottom line is with the old cuts and many fancies as well you NEED NEED NEED to see them in person to even see if you like them! Until then it's all just gabbing with friends. Lastly, this is supposed to be a fun process, one which you really shouldn't need 'stamina' for! ________________________________ |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:19:35 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:21:44 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,619 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 7/21/2006 9:11:46 PM Author: Mara Date: 7/21/2006 9:05:16 PM Author: hlmr Awwwww, Mara, everyone is feeling guilty now for trying the PS saints' patience............. haha heather, i guess i have the knack for saying what people are thinking but never actually SAY... i actually love living vicariously through people with their upgrades or settings or similar, but people have to at some point, help themselves in order for PS'ers to help them get further on their decisions. I'm sorry that my posts have been irritating. I'll try to cool it. ::turns off computer:: Sara |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:21:44 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:25:17 PM | |
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Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
Date: 7/21/2006 9:21:44 PM Author: Cehrabehra Date: 7/21/2006 9:11:46 PM Author: Mara Date: 7/21/2006 9:05:16 PM Author: hlmr Awwwww, Mara, everyone is feeling guilty now for trying the PS saints' patience............. haha heather, i guess i have the knack for saying what people are thinking but never actually SAY... i actually love living vicariously through people with their upgrades or settings or similar, but people have to at some point, help themselves in order for PS'ers to help them get further on their decisions. I'm sorry that my posts have been irritating. I'll try to cool it. ::turns off computer:: oh come on now, honestly, without the drama, i don't think it's too much to ask after how many posts you have so far on this one topic to actually get into a store and SEE SOME STONES before continuing on with more advice??  am i really smoking the crack pipe here?!?!?
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:25:17 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:38:06 PM | |
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hlmr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,333 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004 |
Date: 7/21/2006 9:25:17 PM Author: Mara Date: 7/21/2006 9:21:44 PM Author: Cehrabehra Date: 7/21/2006 9:11:46 PM Author: Mara Date: 7/21/2006 9:05:16 PM Author: hlmr Awwwww, Mara, everyone is feeling guilty now for trying the PS saints' patience............. haha heather, i guess i have the knack for saying what people are thinking but never actually SAY... i actually love living vicariously through people with their upgrades or settings or similar, but people have to at some point, help themselves in order for PS'ers to help them get further on their decisions. I'm sorry that my posts have been irritating. I'll try to cool it. ::turns off computer:: oh come on now, honestly, without the drama, i don't think it's too much to ask after how many posts you have so far on this one topic to actually get into a store and SEE SOME STONES before continuing on with more advice?? am i really smoking the crack pipe here?!?!? My joke wasn't at all directed at you cehrabehra. I had just been noticing that some people were feeling a little bit guilty for being indecisive at one point or another on PS (which is very normal ). It is an interactive process and looking at some stones would be a great way to really see what you like and don't like. Honestly, people are here to help and wish you well in your search but you do have to do some homework too. 
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:38:06 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 9:42:47 PM | |
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Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
Date: 7/21/2006 9:38:06 PM Author: hlmr Date: 7/21/2006 9:25:17 PM Author: Mara Date: 7/21/2006 9:21:44 PM Author: Cehrabehra Date: 7/21/2006 9:11:46 PM Author: Mara Date: 7/21/2006 9:05:16 PM Author: hlmr Awwwww, Mara, everyone is feeling guilty now for trying the PS saints' patience............. haha heather, i guess i have the knack for saying what people are thinking but never actually SAY... i actually love living vicariously through people with their upgrades or settings or similar, but people have to at some point, help themselves in order for PS'ers to help them get further on their decisions. I'm sorry that my posts have been irritating. I'll try to cool it. ::turns off computer:: oh come on now, honestly, without the drama, i don't think it's too much to ask after how many posts you have so far on this one topic to actually get into a store and SEE SOME STONES before continuing on with more advice?? am i really smoking the crack pipe here?!?!? My joke wasn't at all directed at you cehrabehra. I had just been noticing that some people were feeling a little bit guilty for being indecisive at one point or another on PS (which is very normal ). It is an interactive process and looking at some stones would be a great way to really see what you like and don't like. Honestly, people are here to help and wish you well in your search but you do have to do some homework too. heather you, as always, are much more diplomatic than i am...of course people love to help, cehr...but i guess they need help on how to proceed.  anyhoo...i'm tapped out on this topic. hehee. onwards!
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 9:42:47 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 10:09:34 PM | |
Pricescope Administrator Total Posts: 8,265 Last Post: 1/5/2008 Member Since: 1/1/2000 |
Look Chehra, i made a new one with engraving and it's for OMC, i really like those stones and think if you ask a pro to find fiery one for you they will. Pricescope |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 10:09:34 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 10:11:25 PM | |
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006 |
Cehra, I can relate. I had a (small) round for 24 years. I was finally getting my upgrade. I didn't want another round, I wanted something different. I love different! Originally, I wanted an Asscher. But for me, I didn't feel it was a "practical" stone. I'm anal, it would drive me crazy keeping it clean. So that went to the "when I win the lottery or inherit some money" burner. Then I looked at cushions, radiants, and then a Flanders. I fell in love, and made an offer the jeweler wouldn't take. That left me thinking. Thinking about my SIL's huge round, that constantly showered sparkles when she talked with her hands. I wanted that, no doubt. And nothing else was going to give me that much sparkle. As much as I loved the Flanders, it was no round. So, I decided to go with a round again. As much as I wanted different, I wanted sparkles more. I now have a stunning round, and I have not once regretted my decision. And I'm so glad the jeweler didn't take my offer, as I think I would be in a world of regret right now. So, go, look, follow your heart. I believe you will end up with what is meant to be! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| Posted: 7/21/2006 10:11:25 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 10:26:04 PM | |
emeraldlover Cut Rock Total Posts: 160 Last Post: 4/25/2007 Member Since: 3/27/2006 |
Cehra, what area are you from? I looked at a large selection OMCs and OECs earlier this week for the first time. They're lovely! I'm going to second Mara and say, though, that you need to see them in person and add that every shape looks sooo different on your hand. The old cuts show a lot of flashes of different color. Not the kind of thing I'd depend on a monitor for.
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 10:26:04 PM | |
| P: 7/21/2006 10:38:29 PM | |
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Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,920 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004 |
I have a huge passion for OEC's and OMC's. If that's what you truly want stick with it. Have you contacted Fay Cullen??
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| Posted: 7/21/2006 10:38:29 PM | |
| P: 7/22/2006 3:58:45 PM | |
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006 |
Cehra, don't worry, there are plenty of us who have been undecided about what we want and limited access to seeing stones. I haven't a clue where I could go see an OEC or OMC, much less see multiple stones to compare. For that matter, I had virtually nowhere to go see hearts and arrows round stones. I did go to a nearby city to look at a couple of Hearts on Fire stones and I went to Tiffany's to look at size and color. But the lighting was so bad that I couldn't tell a thing about color. So you may end up doing like me and order some rings to look at as long as there is a good return policy. I will say that it is hard enough to find a new round brilliant and it adds lots of difficulty to look for old cut stones. Good luck!
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| Posted: 7/22/2006 3:58:45 PM | |
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